Thursday, February 06, 2014

Grist for Mashey

Mother Jones has been gifted with the attendance list from the latest Koch fest out in California.




FWIW not many names jumped out at Eli, but this is just metastasizing and has been picked up by the Washington Post, who has created an interesting graphic that John may wish to add to.




60 comments:

John Mashey said...

Moi?
I've heard of some of these, but there are indeed some interesting new names.

Now and then, accidents happen, at which time one employs PR
"crisis managers" to snuff the news out.
Perhaps Kochs anticipated this one when they hired a long-time tobacco helper who was then a crisis manager @ Burson-Marsteller to lead Koch PR/marketing.

EliRabett said...

Who else?

metzomagic said...

Pfft. Another obviously forged document by Peter Gleick. That all ya got? :-)

Anonymous said...

Who thinks that these networks overlap significantly on a multitude of subjects like abortion, healthcare, smoking, climate change, free-market, creationism and small government lobbying?

--cynicus

Anonymous said...

Eli, since you seem to be fond of creating 'enemies' lists, I have one more for you to add - Elmer Fudd.

EliRabett said...

Fudd is #1 - Eli

Gator said...

Just one more reason not to eat Papa John's pizza.

Anonymous said...

Anon-101a here:

Is that the best you could come up with, Anonny?

"You like to make lists"?

If that's the best you can do, there's really no defence to the information revealed.

After all, the public have a right to know. And even if they're private companies, if they're using money raised from sales (which means I'm paying for it) or from corporate profits (which means as a shareholder, I'm paying for it), then I need to know where my money is going.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of tobacco connections it seems Michael Mann leverages one as well.

I know, I know, Michael Mann is righteous, so the ends justify the means and guilt by association slurs no longer apply.

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Anonymous said...

"Is that the best you could come up with, Anonny?

"You like to make lists"?

If that's the best you can do, there's really no defence to the information revealed.

After all, the public have a right to know."

OK, Anon, can we then see Mickey's emails from the U of VA?

Anonymous said...

Eli, I know your readers like to be informed. They will be relieved to know that the Antarctic sea ice extent is about to set on all time minimum high. See, nothing to worry about. You can go about playing hide and seek with Elmer.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/60904

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

Wow, Benny Peiser and the Canada Free Press, awesome science cite.

Now what does that have to do with the total heat content and average temperature of the Earth again?

Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

Elifritz, "Now what does that have to do with the total heat content and average temperature of the Earth again?"

Nice to see you say that. So by your logic, Arctic sea ice should have nothing to do with heat content and average temperature.

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

So what are you talking about, the arctic or the antarctic? What do you not understand about continental ice shelf and sheet decay and discharge?

Russell Seitz said...

It is shocking how little value for money this crowd gets.


Anonymous said...

Seitz, "It is shocking how little value for money this crowd gets. "

Don't fool yourself. At the end of the day they will win. You think they got where they are by wearing elbow patches and bowties.

Russell Seitz said...

This cohort needs elbow patches to keep its brains from dragging -- the think tanks listed couldn't field six souls fit to peer review the proceedings of an Oral Roberts science fair, and the Bradley Foundation is the only philanthropic organization to regularly award genius grants to policy intellectuals with one figure bibliographies twi digit IQ's.

Anonymous said...

My thanks to the anonymous Koch muppet. For he shows that although the Kochs may have a lot of money, the supply of people with brains who can be bought by them is strictly limited. And that does give us all some reason for hope.

Regards,
Millicent

Anonymous said...

Seitz, "This cohort needs elbow patches to keep its brains from dragging -- the think tanks listed couldn't field six souls fit to peer review the proceedings of an Oral Roberts science fair, and the Bradley Foundation is the only philanthropic organization to regularly award genius grants to policy intellectuals with one figure bibliographies twi digit IQ's."

You sound a little defensive Seitz. You are a foolish elitist. It is a hunter-gatherer game Seitz. They are the hunters -you lose.

Anonymous said...

Eli, thought your readers would like to know. We know the Antarctic is approaching record ice minimum, and now the Great Lakes as well. Ee gads.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/08/the-great-lakes-may-hit-record-ice-cover-this-year/

Kevin O'Neill said...

anon says:"Eli, thought your readers would like to know. We know the Antarctic is approaching record ice minimum, and now the Great Lakes as well. Ee gads."

I'll say 'Ee gads.' Not only can't the Kochs buy any decent scientists they need to inspire a brighter group of trolls. "Look, it's cold there!" is so lame an argument that even most deniers no longer use it.

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

Oh sure, Rabett Rim readers always choose WUWT over say, Google Scholar.

The opinions of illiterate, ignorant innumerate cranks always outweigh peer reviewed academic publications.

Awesome science cite, as usual.

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

This particular anonytroll whistling past the graveyard is really entertaining.

Can we keep him?

Kevin O'Neill said...

TLE says:" "

The following tag is attached above the Comments to every Barry Ritholz post (The Big Picture) and should be mandatory for every science blog :)

Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.

Kevin O'Neill said...

TLE says:""

LOL

Now there's a George line for Gracie to jump on :)

I was referring though to "The opinions of illiterate, ignorant innumerate cranks always outweigh peer reviewed academic publications.

Anonymous said...

Elifitz, "Oh sure, Rabett Rim readers always choose WUWT over say, Google Scholar."
smuc_k, if you'd bother to read the article in WUWT they were simply relaying these sources:

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/ice/

http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/modis/modis.php?region=g&page=1

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?lake=l&ext=ice&type=N&hr=00

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

Da da. So you are still having problems with Earth's total energy content and the energy imbalance as they relate to polar sea ice and continental ice shelf and ice sheet decay and discharge. May I suggest you refer to the published literature on Heinrich events, Dansgaard–Oeschger events and the Younger Dryas.

I know a bit about the Younger Dryas so feel free to ask me anything you want about it, lol.

Anonymous said...

Dear anonykoch, I'm afraid the adults here have been tweaking your short little legs. The reason why you are parroting stuff about Antarctic sea ice is that most of the ice down there is on land: though an awful lot of it is disappearing at a remarkable rate. So while your innocent blue eyes are bedazzled by all that sea ice, the reason we have all that sea ice is because it is being spawned off the Antarctic land mass. I'm afraid the naughty boys who handed out your 'message of the day' didn't bother to tell you that.

Kevin O'Neill said...

anon - If we seem tired, indifferent, jaded it's because the anonytrolls rarely change. Been there, done that. Even elementary schoolers are expected to do a little homework. With the internet it's really, really easy.

I'll give you one pointer to a relevant post from this site:

http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/08/judy-and-intertubes.html

Pay attention to mentions of Manabe and Zwally. Extra points for reading the referenced papers themselves and not just the abstracts.

You graduate by asking *one* intelligent scientific question that arises from perusing the literature.

Hank Roberts said...

If only there were some way to force a unique number to the anonymites so we could tell if the same one is back, or someone's just doing a parody and pretending to be the same.

Mal Adapted said...

I thought "This cohort needs elbow patches to keep its brains from dragging" was pretty good, myself. Your coinage, Russell?

Anonymous said...

Elifitz, "Awesome science cite, as usual."

"Antarctic sea ice remains significantly more extensive than average." Notice - sea ice, not land.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2014/02/thicker-on-top-higher-down-under/

Anonymous said...

Thought your bunny babies would like to read the latest from Steyn. He so respects Mann.

http://www.steynonline.com/6079/yes-we-can-say-that

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

Ok, let me guess, you didn't read Zwally. Well, I guess I'm going to have to go with that over the ramblings of innumerate cranks with dada, since the dada is in agreement.

Any other earth shaking news there?

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

I guess you haven't heard or read either, that Miss Judy has been exposed, several times already.

Do I have to supply you with links? Or can you find them yourself?

Russell Seitz said...

Mere quid pro quo Mal. My elbows are not that sharp.

The agonotology challenged Anon seems likewise unaware that Neocan carpetbaggers like Mark Steyn have been objects of palaeoconservative ire for decades.


Anonymous said...

Seitz, "the agonotolgy..."

If you loosen that bowtie, your spelling prowess might improve.Chronic 02 deprivation might explain pedantic behavior. As for Elifitz, he's just a hopeless schmuck.

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

You're right, hope is just not working out for me. I require evidence, and a credible theory. Good enough to say, make a prediction, like the state of Antarctic sea ice in a global warming era of increasing industrial carbon dioxide. Thanks for that.

What did you have for us again? Ask me about the Younger Dryas, I double dog dare you, lol.

Russell Seitz said...

The upside of anon being afraid to show his name is that we are spared his taste in neckties.

Bernard J. said...

A_ray_in_dilbert_space asked...

"This particular anonytroll whistling past the graveyard is really entertaining.

Can we keep him?
"

The answer of course is... "only if you promise to feed him and clean up after him".


Anonymous said...

Anon-101a here:

"OK, Anon, can we then see Mickey's emails from the U of VA?"

No.

What else do you expect? You gave no reason why Mike's emails were relevant to anything or how "you like to make lists" being irrelevant means that you get to read irrelevant and unnecessary emails of people because you now have f-all to do.

Anonymous said...

Seitzy, "The upside of anon being afraid to show his name is that we are spared his taste in neckties."

Have you had the opportunity to look in the mirror? By the way, would you like to see Mikey's emails at VA? I am sure Elifutz would.

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

I noticed during the short time I was over at the Curry-o-Rama, that the cranks love to use that technique, anony. You can call me Tommy, that will save you trouble.

Now why would I be interested in anyone's private emails and lives? That seems to be the exclusive dignified and distinguished purview of conservatives, republicans and tea party operatives.

Russell Seitz said...

Poor anondescript !

Nameless, neckless , reckless and feckless.

Anonymous said...

Seitzy, "Nameless, neckless , reckless and feckless."

If only you knew!

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

If only you knew!

Why would I want to? It's bad enough just dealing with your pollution.

Immortality already awaits you in the form of the Journal of Anonymous Crackpot Hypotheses. You are blessed.

Anonymous said...

Elifutz, "Why would I want to? It's bad enough just dealing with your pollution."

Elifutz, wer're done. You are a small, left-wing, immature, insecure, science-dening, half-witted, pedantic, menadacious, troll.

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

Ah, but will Anonytroll stick the flounce?

We'll know if the information content of the site increases.

Thomas Lee Elifritz said...

Elifutz, wer're done

What, no heated discussion of the Younger Dryas? We haven't even started and you've quit already?

Lame, dude. I will just have to try and carry on best I can without you. Be sure and pass on to your coalition of partnerships of alliance trust fund clubs, associations and federations my most sympathetic and heartfelt concerns.

Anonymous said...

Anon-101a here:

" Ah, but will Anonytroll stick the flounce?"

Of course not. They're insecure because they know that there's f-all behind their whines but they still don't wish to face facts.

So either punishment (by trolling) for not letting them be comfortable in their ignorance, or repeated caterwauling so that they can keep "the truth" front and centre in their "mind" are the order of the day for anonytroll.

Anonymous said...

Futzy, good morning. "What, no heated discussion of the Younger Dryas?" No, but I may discuss the Loch Lomond Stadial. Come to think about it, nah. You and your bow-tied friend, Seitzy, like me, would most likely not engage in a rational, civil discussion. You are nebbish,a schlemiel, a pisher,a putz, as well as a shmendrik. Seitzy, just a tummler.

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

Ooh! Face plant on the flounce.
Two point Oh.
One point seven.
Two point one.
Oh, and a One point zero from the Russian Judge.

But thank you for competing!

Russell Seitz said...

Poor thing seems to have the yips.

Debunker said...

Regarding the list of attendees, would the term 'Koch's Suckers' be appropriate?

Anonymous said...

anon n+1


It turns out the 'Evil' Koch Bros are only the 59th biggest donors in American politics. Can you guess who is number one?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2544025


" So, if money is the measure of evil in American politics and the Evil Koch Bros only come in 59th, who is really the most evil donor ever?

Turns out it's Act Blue, with just short of $100 million in contributions during its lifetime, which only started in 2004, 15 years after the Evil Koch Bros in the OpenSecrets.org compilation. "


http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

ps:

“ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ”
— Hugh C. Cameron

EliRabett said...

Hugh, Act Blue is a bundler of small contributions, not two OK oil guys.

Besides which the list you point to is direct contributions and as Mashey and others point out the 501C3 route is crowded so no one really knows

dhogaza said...

"Hugh, Act Blue is a bundler of small contributions, not two OK oil guys."

They do have a problem understanding the difference between Power to the People and Power to the Brothers, don't they?

What seems odd to me is that rank and file conservatives like Anon+1 seem to embrace, indeed cherish, the return of political power to the monied class and the defanging of individuals. Unions, comprised of working class people, should be kept out of politics. Koch brothers should be able to do what they damned well please. And they call these moves to increase democracy …

dhogaza said...

"“ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ”
— Hugh C. Cameron"

Idiocy. Certain individuals have a huge impact on events and the growth of particular ideas.

Jesus. Mohammed. Ghandi. Hitler. Stalin. Alexander the Great. And, to a lesser yet significant extent, the Koch Brothers.

Anonymous said...

Anon n+1

Billionaires are buying the elections: http://tinyurl.com/oxgmhk9

Steyer will contribute $50 million himself and is seeking to raise the rest from other wealthy donors, the report said.

It comes after Steyer has already spent $50 million on elections over the last couple of years.

Anonymous said...

anon n+1

Unlike the Koch boys, the other side breaks laws, get busted, go to jail:

http://freebeacon.com/democratic-donor-pleads-guilty-to-illegal-campaign-donations/

Democratic Donor Pleads Guilty to Illegal Campaign Donations
Jeffrey Thompson financed multi-million dollar ‘shadow campaigns’