Thursday, October 06, 2016

New First Amendment Cases May Be Coming to a Crowded Barrier Island

Matthew, the hurricane, is hitting the Bahamas and bearing down on the eastern shores of Florida  Georgia, and even South Carolina.  While damage inland will be significant, the barrier islands are toast.  As Marshall Shepherd wrote

and the Weather Channel is scared of what will happen
as well as Rick Scott, the Governor of Florida and not somebody Eli would ever recommend is urging evacuation
but Matt DRUDGE thinks it is an evil plan of President Obama to scare folk about climate change
and his fans, well his fans vote, and they vote for the strangest things


Definitely playing by Lewandowsky rules here.

But Eli has a question.  If freedom of speech does not extend to yelling fire in a crowded theatre, what are the rules for tweeting don't evacuate from a low lying beach on a barrier island.  Should Matthew make landfall in Florida, it would be interesting to see how the family of victims pile on to Drudge and Co.

24 comments:

Chris G said...

Half of those surveyed thought the US military either engineered Matthew or consider it a possibility?! I genuinely hope that the Heat Street readers who responded to the poll are not representative of the US public.

Fernando Leanme said...

My guess is they are exaggerating the hurricane strength to play it safe. The hurricane strength core is small, the eye opens and closes, and the wind I see reported in the Bahamas isn't really that bad. I would have evacuated if I lived east of the intracoastal, or if my house were located near a canal, but this hurricane is humdrum.

I'm also noticing it leaves behind a large pool of cooler water (it has a negative temperature anomaly). The high pressure ridge in the Atlantic is blocking cyclones trying to head northeast towards Europe, so they'll linger for days in the Bermuda Triangle and will cool down the Atlantic. I never gave it much thought, but these hurricanes must behave like huge radiators, blocking incoming radiation and lofting a lot of heat up into the upper troposphere.

Florifulgurator said...

Deplorable denialist humdrum... Hurricanes are good because they cool the ocean!

Fernando Leanme said...

Flori, are you denying what I wrote? Or just try to elaborate your fantasies?

Russell Seitz said...

Obama destroy Mar-A-Lago?

Horsefeathers -all respectable conspiracy theorists agree that Trump had the hurricane aimed at PB because the Bath & Tennis Club blackballed him.

Hank Roberts said...

In other Florida news, Florida Gov. Rick Scott is refusing to follow the lead of South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and extend the voter registration deadline for the state.

BBD said...

Horsefeathers -all respectable conspiracy theorists agree that Trump had the hurricane aimed at PB because the Bath & Tennis Club blackballed him.

A smart move. To paraphrase comrade Groucho, I don’t want to belong to any club that would have the Donald as a member.

JohnMashey said...

Well, Donald gave Rick Scott's ECO+ PAC $125K; see FL section of Table 1 in Election Databases Expose Extent of Trump-Bondi Connection

Russell Seitz said...

$125K to ECO-PAC?
No wonder they blackballed him!

John ONeiil said...

Look on the bright side - dead knuckledraggers don't vote

Russell Seitz said...

Eli. what are the rules on yelling ' Be of good courage ! ' in a burning theater?

8c7793aa-15b2-11e5-898a-67ca934bd1df said...

I got schmucked pretty bad with this one, but once I knew it was going to stay offshore to the east at the cape I knew the worst of it was past. However, methinks Eli is still blissfully unaware of the magnitude of the problems here. Where have I heard that before? Unaware.

Howard said...

Why do "you people" want the law to silence critics and adversaries? In any event Drudge was right, the storm behaved as expected, not as it was shaded to behave. I love the schadenfreude spawned of schadenfreudoitus interruptus.

8c7793aa-15b2-11e5-898a-67ca934bd1df said...

So Drudge is a hurricane expert? Hurricanes do what they want to do.

However, big ones tend to follow the heat, and that heat is of greatest magnitude in deep warm waters. Thus, it ran up the Tongue of the Ocean, through the Northwest Channel and then it ran up the Florida coast. Weather (steering) has a lot to do with that track as well.

BBD said...

Drudge:

The deplorables are starting to wonder if govt has been lying to them about Hurricane Matthew intensity to make exaggerated point on climate

Howard:

In any event Drudge was right

Chorus:

Bravo! Clowns! Bravo!

Chris_Winter said...

Over 800 dead in Haiti -- just a humdrum hurricane...

8c7793aa-15b2-11e5-898a-67ca934bd1df said...

Right, but if the hurricane had run up the coast onshore instead of offshore, then there would have been hundreds of dead and injured and vast uninhabitable areas here in the US as well. Some call it luck. Others call it physics. Where I come from, we call it preparation. And insight.

Even that doesn't help sometimes. But it helps most of the time.

BBD said...

Where I come from, we call it preparation. And insight.

Even that doesn't help sometimes. But it helps most of the time.


A tad insensitive, 8c, given the death toll in Haiti. Or are they lacking in insight there?

Howard said...

I understand how you people relish mass causalities to support your unpopular causes, but the death magnitude in Haiti has more to due with civil infrastructure and emergency preparedness than hurricane strength.

8c7793aa-15b2-11e5-898a-67ca934bd1df said...

One word - tsunami(s) plural.

Let's add multiple nuclear meltdowns too. How quickly you forget.

Welcome to life on a terrestrial planet with a molten core and a hydrogeological cycle. I guess that excuses not preparing for an asteroid strike, considering the number of nuclear weapon tipped missiles you have. NASA has that covered, right? lol.

BBD said...

I understand how you people relish mass causalities to support your unpopular causes, but the death magnitude in Haiti has more to due with civil infrastructure and emergency preparedness than hurricane strength.

You are genuinely unpleasant, Howard.

Chris_Winter said...

Howard I understand how you people relish mass causalities to support your unpopular causes, but the death magnitude in Haiti has more to due [sic] with civil infrastructure and emergency preparedness than hurricane strength.

Yes it does. But concluding it has nothing to do (sic) with hurricane strength is an unwarranted conclusion. Hurricane Matthew was cat 4 when it struck Haiti, and there is evidence that it reached that level more quickly than normal. This is what warmer ocean waters would lead us to expect.

Here's another unwarranted conclusion: that mentioning a high death toll means that I "relish mass casualties." I don't; I mentioned it to counter the assertion that Matthew was just a humdrum hurricane.

Indeed, calling Matthew or any hurricane "humdrum" could reasonably be taken as evidence of callousness.

Susan Anderson said...

aerial pictures show universal devastation; not quite as matchstick-y as Haiyan but along those lines. Yes, they're poor, and stuck with it. But this storm took down a group of people making a valiant go of not very much. As I understand it, lack of water and starvation are rampant.

Also being underreported is the continuing devastation in North Carolina, where flooding is breaking down infrastructure such as waste ponds from factory farms and slurry/sludge from other activities.

Weeks of floods create a toxic situation, and once again a lot of news outlets are not covering the problem, or giving it a brief mention.

8c7793aa-15b2-11e5-898a-67ca934bd1df said...

I guess when they put together to waste management operation and sludge containment vwessels, the didn't predict this kind of thing happening, in North Carolina, a state right in the middle of hurricane alley. How could that be?