Saturday, October 29, 2011

Denial in Depth

Paul Krugman nails it in discussing US Republican tactics

Think about climate change. You have various right-wingers simultaneously (a) denying that global warming is happening (b) denying that anyone denies that global warming is happening, but denying that humans are responsible (c) denying that anyone denies that humans are causing global warming, insisting that the real argument is about the appropriate response.

I’m not sure there are three levels (yet) on inequality, but we definitely have (a) right-wingers denying that inequality is rising and (b) denying that anyone is denying the rise in inequality, but attacking any proposal to limit that rise.

You might ask, how is it possible to take such mutually contradictory positions? And the answer is, it’s very easy if confusing the debate is your job.

Remind the bunnies of anyone??

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

It reminds me of WUWT - what a cacophony of conflicting views.

Mickey, Minnie, Mighty, or Fred. said...

"Remind the bunnies of anyone??"
Nope... doesn't ring a bell...

guthrie said...

Not entirely relative, but Curry continues to make shit up, being published int he Daily Mail, the right wing tabloid with the worst record for accuracy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

She claims that the BEST data for the last 9.5 years or so shows that global warming has stalled...
Naturally this provokes a massive outbreak of the denialists type a and b which infest the Mail online.

Jeffrey Davis said...

Krugman left out the "actually cooling" crowd and the "it was warming, but warming has stopped" bunch.

Such a varied bunch.

guthrie said...

Further to my previous post, which will have been held up because it had an url in it, regarding an article in the Sunday Mail, it seems Judith Curry is trying some damage limitation/ explanation of silly press spin (delete as applicable) over at her blog. I leave it to the more in touch readers to say whether she has much to complain about.

willard said...

The trick is as old as Gorgias:

http://neverendingaudit.tumblr.com/post/872135681

AEI provides the purest form of this neverending interpolation.

Anonymous said...

Andrea Mantegna's "Pallas Expelling the Vices from the Garden of Virtue" show's a lazy Ignorance wearing a crown. So little has changed in 500 years. Ignorance still rules.

Little Mouse.

Russell said...

Mantegna is kind of heavy lifting . I can barely manage Bosch:

http://tinypic.com/r/14uxqm9/5.html

Jeffrey Davis said...

There was a radio story about the decline in people trusting the government (or any other institution, except the military). The reporters asked whom the other trusted. They hemmed and hawed and (IIRC) said their families. Hell. The most reliable voice in years and years is Krugman's.

Anonymous said...

" Hell. The most reliable voice in years and years is Krugman's. "

LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhMAV9VLvHA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/7483177/Paul-Krugman-the-Nobel-prize-winner-who-threatens-the-world.html

http://www.mediaite.com/online/forgive-paul-krugman-for-calling-911-an-occasion-for-shame/

And we have liberals denying that the stimulus was a failure, in fact they say it "saved" jobs, except those jobs are once again lost so we need a 2nd stimulus. OWS is a vile mob that has now had multiple incidents of assualt, theft, rape, public masterbation, and anti-semitism.

It snowed in October across the east coast of the US, more evidence of warming, no doubt, get another BEST study ready with more trickery. All just in time for Halloween.

Boo!

Paul Krugman! lol He will be in a straight jacket within 3 years.


hahahahahahahahahaha



Celery Eater

David B. Benson said...

Celery Eater just went over the cliff...

Anonymous said...

What do you mean by "just went"?

I hadn't realised you'd been away so long.

Cymraeg llygoden

Anonymous said...

I'm not the one thinking Krugman is "the most reliable voice".



Celery Eater

Jeffrey Davis said...

"I'm not the one thinking Krugman is 'the most reliable voice'."

I think we got that part.

Anonymous said...

If you support OWS you are in "good" company.

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/



Celery Eater

Holly Stick said...

Why economic models are always wrong:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=finance-why-economic-models-are-alway

David B. Benson said...

Holly Stick --- Why Celery Eater is always wrong.

David B. Benson said...

Cymraeg llygoden --- I left off again as redundant.

Anonymous said...

@David

Yawn. You're very boring.


Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

Crikey, support OWS and you're a Nazi and a Commie... and an extreme fundamental Islamist but also fundamental Christian while being an atheist... and an extreme right white supremacist while being an African-American revolutionary leftist. Could one possibly be more cosmopolitan while feeding so much Apiaceaen cognitive dissonance?

b5230294-91bd-11e0-a606-000bcdcb5194 said...

It is not just "right-wingers" that are skeptical of the alarmist hysteria. So the whole post by Krugman makes no sense from the start.

Hardycross

Anonymous said...

"It is not just "right-wingers" that are skeptical of the alarmist hysteria"

Well yeah actually, it pretty much is, as every reliable poll on the influence of political leanings on global warming views has shown. They're also the only ones who use the phrase "alarmist hysteria"

But good job staying consistent with the denial theme.

Anonymous said...

"Apiaceaen cognitive dissonance"

You're going to have to explain that one to him because those words have more than two syllables and involve science.

Anonymous said...

"Crikey, support OWS and you're a Nazi and a Commie..."

Ah the ones that think the most of their own intelligence are often the slowest of the lot. I said, if you support OWS you are in good company, I said nor implied that you were/are/had to be a member of any of the groups on the list.


The Rabett Lemmings are getting boring lately, but are loyal and never question THE Rabett.



Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

"I said, if you support OWS you are in good company, I said nor implied that you were/are/had to be a member of any of the groups on the list."

Oh, give it a rest. The implication was clear.

Anonymous said...

@J Bowers

If my goal was to imply it I would have simply stated it directly, no need to play games about the whole thing. My original statement means exactly what it says, no other implications from the author. Perhaps the reader should perform some sort of self examination?



Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

Bollocks.

Anonymous said...

"Bollocks"


Is that the equivalent of "nuh-uh"?


Yawn



Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

No. It's a fine British alternative to, "my hairy arse".

Anonymous said...

You're an idiot.


Is that direct enough for you?



Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

CE, this video was made for you.

Anonymous said...

Sorry J Bowers I do not fit into your box.


Now you are boring and an idiot.


Celery Eater

ToddvfcR said...

Cymraeg llygoden --- I left off again as redundant.