Friday, May 04, 2012

Heartland Hacked Again


Oh, you mean they did this to themselves???

P.S.  Go take a look at the comments at WUWT.  This is a world's best own goal, and you have to wonder why. Have donations fallen through the floor?  If so, this will kill them completely, but the whole thing has  the stink of extreme despair about it. 


Anonymous said...

Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.

I swear some of this stuff is a big set up to start false outrage.

Just curious, who posted first, Romm about the terrorists or Heartland about the nuts in jail?

Anonymous said...

Louise says:

'Tis gone

ligne said...

you know who else ate breakfast? Hitler!

eating breakfast is genocide.

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

"Have donations fallen through the floor? If so, this will kill them completely,..."

Wanna bet? This is red meat to the faithful. This isn't hyperbole in their eyes--it is what they really believe.

dhogaza said...

“Heartland has spent millions of dollars contributing to the real debate over climate change..."

Remember this statement made for attribution the next time some denialist claims that millions *aren't* spent by the Heartland institute and others in the denialist camp.

Anonymous said...

Stupid stupid stupid move by Heartland.


And I found this post on Rabett Run pointing out similar idiocy by Joe Romm equating the Norway mass murderer to "deniers", oh wait.. That dang double-standard here, it is only bad when the other side does it.

Carry on with attacking this very easy target of HI.

Celery Eater

J Bowers said...

Where does the Unabomber mention global warming in his manifesto??????

And HI are still saying he does!

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

Thank you, CE, for proving my point. You guys are incapable of backing down--only doubling down, no matter how stupid the bet.

Anonymous said...


I see your reading comprehension is still in its infancy.

Celery Eater said "Stupid stupid stupid move by Heartland.


Maybe someday you will be able to read and understand at the same time, understand the history of debt to GDP in the USA, and who pays what in taxes.

But I doubt it.

Celery Eater

Brian said...

It's interesting that so many denialists on Watts think this was a bad or even unethical move by HI when it seems not that different than what they do on a daily basis. Take something that's technically true and mislead people with it. HI often does worse things, saying things that aren't even technically true.

Maybe it's just clearer.

Anonymous said...

@ J Bowers: Where does the Unabomber mention global warming in his manifesto??????

Search for "greenhouse."


bluegrue said...

It's not just that HI set up that billboard, they were kind enough to post an explanation on their site in case you don't understand the billboard. To quote:

The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen.

They have yet to distance themselves from these writings.

J Bowers said...

@ WheelsOC

Thanks. Kaczynski says...

"118... and the greenhouse effect affects the whole world."

"169...No one knows what will happen as a result of ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect and other environmental problems that cannot yet be foreseen."

So he agrees with Roy Spencer and the George Marshall Institute. There's nothing there that many sceptics don't say, and a number of sceptics are actually environmentalists. Believe it or not, Believe it or not, Rupert Murdoch will argue all night at parties defending the environment (took me by surprise, but environmentalist-detester Jeremy Clarkson, who Murdoch was arguing with, told the story on Have I Got News For You last night).

Anonymous said...

Whether this was always to be the 24-hour experiment Bast says it was can easily be verified by allowing acceptable third-party sight of Heartland documentation covering, say, the 3 months' or so's internal communications leading up to the advertising campaign's debut.

Come on Bast. Publish the documentary proof. You've nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Of course, whether it was an experiment (of whatever length) or not is largely immaterial for rather obvious reasons of taste, among other things.

Cymraeg llygoden

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

Celery Eater, Maybe someday you will understand that "Tu quoque" is a logical fallacy.

Heartland is an utterly contemptible organization, and yet you cannot bring yourself to condemn them. I don't read Romm. I condemn his guilt-by-association pandering wrt Brevik.

How 'bout you, Punkin? Can you bring yourself to unequivocally condemn Heartland as the anti-intellectual thugs they are?

John Mashey said...

I guess they preferred to spend their money on this, rather than the canceled "Roosters of the Apocalypse" item mentioned in the 2012 Budget.

Anonymous said...

@ John Mashey

I really would have liked to know what those roosters were going to do.

Maybe it's something like a Terry Pratchet book?


John Mashey said...

check the budget item and google roosters of the apocalypse.

Anonymous said...


I don't read HI. I condemn their guilt-by-association pandering wrt the billboard.

Is that enough for you?

Celery Eater

a_ray_in_dilbert_space said...

CE, How about their guilt-by-association slander of Al Gore?

How about their annual "conference," where this type of stuff is red meat?

How about the slanders of scientists around the world as corrupt frauds?

Just can't quite bring yourself to do that, can you...because then your side would have bupkes.

I'd be perfectly happy to condemn all the over-the-top rhetoric and rely on evidence, but then my side of the argument has evidence, while yours has only arguments based on fallacies.

Here, CE, why not collect them all:


The late philosopher W. V. Quine took a lot of ribbing when it surfaced that the Heartland Institute's new poster child had aced his sophomore course in Modal Logic .

Van remained philosophical., pointing out that obsessed with mathematical logic, the Unabomber failed to take his senior course in Moral Philosophy.

Neither it seems did Bast.

Holly Stick said...

According to J. Bowers' quote above, the Unabomber is a fan of uncertainty. Gosh, who else pushes uncertainty?

willard said...

> Unacceptable. And I found this post on Rabett Run [...]

Collecting these tu quoques might be a full-time job.

Besides, what Russell said. UB got a 99, if my memory serves me right.

But I don't recall Bast going to Harvard. Nor Willie Soon, for that matter.


Soon was at the Harvard-Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, till they noticed he hadn't published anything respectably astrophysical in years.

J Bowers said...

But Russell, didn't Soon publish his research into mercury last year?

willard said...


I know that. I just don't recall it.

Perhaps I was away from Harvard at the time. When was it?

Anonymous said...


I cannot condemn that which I have not heard, saw, or otherwise witnessed. I provided the same level of condemnation that you did, but that is not enough for you, tough, keep yourself woun-up and you will eventually act like a Cleveland OWS'er.

Celery Eater

Mitch said...

Can someone post a link to the Romm post that's being discussed? A search on Romm's site didn't reveal anything.

Anonymous said...

Mitch, it wasn't Romm who wrote that piece, but Brad Johnson.

The direct link (look for "Norway Terrorist Is A Global Warming Denier") doesn't work for me, but it's on various other websites.


Brian said...

Mitch - I think they deleted it in the last day or two. If so, they really should've left a note.

It was very similar to a post at HI about James Lee, a wannabe terrorist who didn't get anyone killed but himself. I was going to write a post about how I thought both were legitimate, except for stupid errors in the HI post, but I'm not sure I will now with nothing to link to.

Anonymous said...

@ John Mashey

Oh I've read the budget. I've even read Fake science, fakexperts, funny finances, free of tax though, admittedly, I just skimmed Appendix Z. Lovely piece of work btw.

I'm just trying to imagine what a Roosters of the Apocalypse would look like. It's difficult to think of any more stupid than the billboards but I live in hope.



"... a heavily marked-up copy of Gore’s book, Earth in the Balance ..."

Had the mathematically astute Kaczynski but noticed the infinite rate of extinction in the graph on page 227, he would have instantly died ROTFL, sparing us four more years of letter bombs.

John Mashey said...

Willie Soon and mercury

See Fake sciencie...

1) DO a full search for mercury: 53 hits

Heartland is really quite OK with it in fish and everywhere else *except* CFLs, where it is really, really bad.

p.89: WIllie Soon has written some, quoted often for E&CN.

Z.2006.02-17 Fish Is Good For You
which you can read in its entirety at E&CN, p.17.

jkrideau: thanks.
I was sad to see Roosters drop out of the budget.



Soon was still there the last time I published with a HSCA coauthor (2006) but nobody there seems to have seen him in years.


I took a look per your suggestion.
Gold in the Own Goalpost Caber Toss goes to :

"Myrrh says:
May 6, 2012 at 4:09 am

Thanks for the info about Turmeric and Alzheimer’s and Black Pepper. As Parkinson’s is another neurodegenerative disease with a pathology associated with malformed amyloids it could well be helpful with this disease also"

Steve Metzler said...

It's sad (I was going to use the word 'ironic', but... well, you know) that the majority of the denizens of WUWT consider that the dissembling undertaken by Heartland constitutes 'science'. Vis:

"Bad move by Heartland. Now it makes them look like they are playing climate games. Stick to the facts and science!"


"...I do hope Heartland, despite their frustrations, will get back to sound science."

They're not even wrong...