Saturday, November 17, 2012

Climate Dialogue Hits the Big Time

Dr Inferno of Denial Depot has commented there on the proper mix of experts

Dr Inferno

I notice all the proclaimed experts in the discussion unquestionably accept the existence of so-called "carbon" gases in our atmosphere. Surely for a legitimate dialogue you need experts who are willing to question the very foundations of PCAGW.

How for example does carbon dioxide manage to float within the air itself being that it is heavier than air? Anyone who has held a diamond or a piece of graphite can attest that carbon is a solid, not a gas. As a gas it would simply fall to the ground as and so become solid. We see on Mars that the polar caps are made of carbon dioxide in it's true solid state.
Perhaps the interlocutors will take heed.

35 comments:

James Cliborn said...

LOL, good one, I needed a laugh! Thanks!

Lionel A said...

Maybe on Dr. Inferno's planet the atmosphere is not well mixed and thus has the heavier gases forming the lower layers. This being the case, and Inferno's planet being of similar make up to this with a similar proportion of gases, then this could explain Inferno's lack of critical thinking ability for his 'little grey cells' have been poisoned by all that low lying noxious stuff.

Anonymous said...

Dr Inferno must be a happy man. Or a happy woman, I'm not sure about that. Professor Curry totally embraced the concept of blog science. Her blog is the only scientific evidence she comes up with! In the true spirit of dr Inferno we can say Judy's not just a professor, she's the world's very first blog professor!

Anonymous said...

"Blofessors"
-- by Horatio Algeranon

Professors
Seek the truth
Blofessors
Reap the spoof

Alexis Marlons said...

This is about the craziest comment that I have seen. Haha! Good post.

Monty said...

What's this PCAGW? I've only just got used to being accused by deniers of peddling CAGW.

dhogaza said...

"this could explain Inferno's lack of critical thinking ability for his 'little grey cells' ..."

Should we let Lionel A in on the satirical secret that is the product of Dr Inferno's extremely capable "little grey cells"?

But it does speak to the idiocy of some of the denialsphere when one can't immeidately sift the satirical chaff from the actual wheat of denialism.

Anonymous said...

Lionel A:
It's worth looking at the link to Dr Denial's site. There are lots of other points there that amplify his position on climate change. I think he states things quite well.

Danger Mouse

John Mashey said...

Well, once upon a time, someone testified to the House of Representatives:
'Now, Mr. Inslee pointed out that he thinks there is a physical explanation based on a blanket of carbon dioxide in the reflection. Carbon dioxide is heavier than air. Where it sits in the atmospheric profile, I don't know. I am not an atmospheric scientist to know that but presumably if the atmospheric--if the carbon dioxide is close to the surface of the Earth, it is not reflecting a lot of infrared back.'

dhogaza said...

John Mashey ...

I am sure that Dr. Inferno has a very long memory. He typically doesn't just Make Shit Up. He just clarifies shit made up by others ... :)

Ian Forrester said...

Yes John, but he was speaking on behalf of a social network of computational statisticians and plagiarists.

Anonymous said...

"Climate Denialog"

-- by Horatio Algeranon

I have started
A brand new blog,
Meant to lift
The current fog,
I've called it
"Climate Denialog".

Holly Stick said...

I ran across this one by the Gray Monk at WUWT. I don't know if he/she/it is satirical or just dumb:

"Actually the question is whether or not CO2 is the ‘evil game changer’ it is claimed. Research on nuclear submarines suggest a different scenario. The average CO2 level on an operational submarine may be as high as 2,000 ppm, but is generally around 700 ppm (I think Anthony has a post on this somewhere) which rather refutes some of the claims of ‘heat’ trapping as the submarines are able to maintain a fairly stable internal temperature, admittedly with air conditioning to regulate it. The bigger problem at the upper end of the scale is the narcotic effect on the brain. But at 700 ppm it is not measurable.

If Hansen et al are to be believed, these submarines should be unbearably hot after a very short patrol. They’re not. In fact some compartments have a heating problem."

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/21/update-and-confirmation-of-global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago/#comment-1116720

dhogaza said...

That post by the gray monk is a beautiful thing ... though probably unintentionally.

coby said...

Blast! What are they so afraid of?? The climate nazis have delete Inferno's piercing question...

bill said...

Actually, I think the Grey Monk's on to something. I've noticed that the carbonated drinks in my Esky* are always at the same temperature as the milk and juices when I pull them out at the picnic. Explain that, Warmists! ;-)

*'portable icebox thingy'

dhogaza said...

Coby - they just moved it to the "off topic" folder, currently it's the last in the list there ...

Anonymous said...

That's one of Bastardi's arguments, too, more-or-less. (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03/09/fox-news-science-again/186029 about 1:35 or so into the video) CO2 can't cause warming because it can't get up there in the atmosphere: its specific gravity is half again of that of air in general so it must necessarily sink to the bottom. Well, molecular oxygen and ozone are also heavier than air in general. (specific gravity of various gases here: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-gravities-gases-d_334.html) Yeah. So why isn't the atmosphere stratified by its gaseous constituents, heaviest at the bottom and lightest at top?

perhaps turbulence, convection, molecular interaction as in Brownian movement. Whatever the cause, we know the gasses of the atmosphere are well mixed. Doesn't the very idea of a specific gravity of "air" imply a well-mixed medium?

Singletrack

David B. Benson said...

Singletrack --- You are much too rational for this thread. What are you, a Baconist or something?

Hank Roberts said...

http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/communication/news-archive/2012/kevin-anderson-gives-cabot-lecture-university-bristol

Anonymous said...

@David B. Benson:

Yeah, I had Bacon for breakfast this morning. The first time I heard Bastardi I thought he was the weather guy for The Onion.

Singletrack

Anonymous said...

Signletrack - Are you saying there's some guy called Brown who moves the CO2 up ? He must be pretty high in the conspiracy.
"I'm not jyyh"

David B. Benson said...

Eli --- And more likely they will not take heed.

David B. Benson said...

"I'm not jyyh" --- Brownian motion is a dance step performed solely by young women. Geez, don't you know anything?

Anonymous said...

I commend to your authority on moves young women make, David B Benson, that move must have come to fashion after my square dancing days.
"still not jyyh"

Russell said...

Anyone who has accidentally dropped graphite flakes onto a neodymium-iron-boron supermagnet can testify to Dr. Inferno that the stuff floats in midair despite being solid as dry ice, so he can rest assured that CO2 is suspended in mid-air by superluminal rays from the agnetosphere of the iron sun.

I'm surprised Marc Morano has not asked the Department of Justice to release Judy's lead commenter, Manuel Oliver from house arrest so he can brief the House of Representatives on the remarkable phenomena he has revealed at past heartland conferences.

Anonymous said...

"Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."

No, not Dr. Inferno, but Khabibullo Adusamatov, a Russian scientist and climate skeptic (source: Wikipedia)

Capo

Anonymous said...

"Brownian Motion"
-- by Horatio Algeranon

Said Brown to CO2
I'll walk a while with you
If you don't care
If we get nowhere
And even mixed up too

EliRabett said...

Prejudice against gasses by solid-phase entities is very real, Eli will have you know.

Lionel A said...

@ Danger Mouse
& dhogaza

I don't bother with WUWT to realise that Inferno dishes out such as satire, I have a life to lead. Well what's left of it anyway.

Sheesh! This capatcha thingy is too tough this time, a smudge on its side not resolved even with that 'wonderful' magnifier tool. Time to roll the die and get a better hand!

Ah! That's better, in with a chance.

Hank Roberts said...

well, if Kevin Anderson doesn't interest y'all, how about
http://www.kevinandkell.com/2012/strips/kk20121118.gif

EliRabett said...

Hey give a bunny some time. Besides you had your chance:)

david lewis said...

Obama can't come up with a few sentences that fit the facts either.

During his convention acceptance speech he said: "and yes, my plan will continue to reduce the carbon pollution that is heating our planet". And in his recent press conference he repeated this thought: "Now in my first term, we doubled the fuel efficiency standards on cars and trucks. That will have an impact. That will take a lot of carbon out of the atmosphere.... And we continue to invest in potential breakthrough technologies that could further remove carbon from our atmosphere."

The issue isn't important enough for Obama and his advisers to bother with, or, they can't describe the situation because they don't know what the situation is.

Antiquated Tory said...

Went through the whole Climate Dialog thread and indeed, a good 20% or so of comments were from the ignorant and proud of it.

J Bowers said...

SUNY Buffalo has standards and just showed Shale Resources and Society Institute the door.