Judith Curry has endorsed plans for intimidating, beating, killing and maiming climate scientists as amusing but she probably would not do it herself.In the comments over the Curry House, one Tucci 78 recommends
On the the contrary. When the “labels” fit, when they point out just how loathsome, just how evil, just how rotten these AGW fraudsters are and have always been, there should be no holding back, no restraint, no respite.
When the popular perception of these “Never let a crisis go to waste” leftist pseudoscientists is such that they find themselves at risk of physical assault whenever and wherever they show themselves in public, we can slack off.and
Figurative speaking (heavens, we don’t want to be censored, do we?), the recipe goes: Knock them down. Kick them until they quit moving. Check for breathing. Repeat.and what does the Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology say to all this:
Well Tucci78 is regarded as high entertainment by many of the regulars here. Not so much accepting his sentiments, as being entertained by his presentation of them.Now some speculate that this might be a Poe, but just in case it is not, Prof. Judith Curry who holds a responsible leadership position at Georgia Tech, clearly believes that it would be amusing.
Eli eagerly awaits the reaction from Keith Kloor, Roger Pielke Jr., Richard Tol and Marc Morano.
No dynamic range is available past the notch marked eliminationist; Curry is encouraging degeneracy of the worst kind.
ReplyDeleteShe's a very odd specimen.
Tucci78 gets worse further on, and Judy doesn't even bat an eyelid. "What happened to that lass?" I ask. "Who shot her dog? Hansen, Schmidt, Emanuel, Dessler,...?"
ReplyDeleteTucci 78 is an infantile creep, and it speaks volumes that Curry is reluctant to shut off an infantile creep. Even one with murderous fantasies.
ReplyDeleteI suppose the problem from her point of view is that her blog is pretty full of creeps of one kind or another. If she started culling the ranks, how many hits would she have?
Already posted this at Deltoid, but seems apropos here too.
ReplyDeleteJudith Curry outed herself as a lightweight, slipshod intellect in the Real Climate/ Kloor debacle over Montford’s novel in 2010.
The look of polite horror on her face at the Lisbon non-event as the leering, horsefaced Rog Tallquack pressed a cheap Josh t-shirt onto her (you can almost see her thinking ‘do these morons expect me to put on this piece of trash and pour a pitcher of beer over my tits or what...’?) left me thinking her flag nonsense was delusional but possibly well intentioned in 2011.
But now in 2012, she’s not just accepting of the crazies, but finding excuses for and pandering to dangerous, rabble rousing, lunatic lynch mob crazies.
Expectations for next year aren’t looking good for Dr. Curry.
Maybe there is a bug going around. Just as heartland does "experiments" JC has "jokes". The song the scarecrow sings in wizard of oz comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteJudith Curry is knowingly aiding and abetting violence against climate scientists. It is really as simple as that.
ReplyDelete-- SecularAnimist
The problem with this kind of "entertainment" is that it has the effect of encouraging those whose mental health is marginal to think that they have social permission to actually attempt a killing.
ReplyDeleteIts a very standard rhetorical technique used by Operation Rescue to induce people to carry out bombings and assassinations.
You guys are kidding, right? What she said was comparable to an eye-roll, and you're translating it into "knowingly aiding and abetting violence against climate scientists." Unreal.
ReplyDelete"tucci78" has a long history of being unreasonably frothing-at-the-mouth regarding climate science...
ReplyDeletehttp://intensedebate.com/people/tucci78
Anon, follow the bottom link. Eli is not kidding.
ReplyDeleteYou guys are kidding, right?
ReplyDeleteLet the rationalization begin. Agile minds, truly.
Willy says,
ReplyDeleteWilly must be kidding Eli. Willy is tired goes bad shake willy silly.
Billy
Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
ReplyDeleteyes but can Jbowers or Eli honestly admit they wouldn't try to punch Lord Monckton if they saw him in public?
Whyfor physically abuse a sick bag of wind?
ReplyDeleteI find myself asking the Kardashian question: why exactly is she famous? Time to check out her most cited papers, and figure out where her professional reputation came from.
ReplyDeleteTo all appearances, ce, Judy has depended on the kindness of colleagues. Her pubs are very, very thin in terms of sole-author or even first-author. Not a first-rater, for sure, but is she even a respectable second-rater?
ReplyDeleteSome, not me certainly but perhaps Eli. might suggest that her career advancement was not unrelated to a careful selection of spouse.
"yes but can Jbowers or Eli honestly admit they wouldn't try to punch Lord Monckton if they saw him in public? "
ReplyDeleteNo, Botboy, I really wouldn't. Not even if he called me a Nazi, which, based on his past utterances at even Jewish children in public, would be a plausible occurence.
Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
ReplyDeleteBoxing fan?
Where else would you see that kind of thing happen?
If she didn't response to it she could have said it slipped by, but she more or less signed off on it. She should have taken denial depots advice to heartland and their billboard.
ReplyDeleteJaybird, could you at least try to pass a Turing test. Frankly, a bot would be an improvement over you.
ReplyDeleteAs to Aunt Judy, she was never much of a scientist, and given that she would never have the respect of her peers, she has opted instead for the adulation of idiots.
Bunny sighting! Coincidence? I think not.
ReplyDeleteThe Ann Althouse of climate bloggers.
ReplyDelete> You guys are kidding, right? ...
ReplyDelete> and you're translating it
See, that's an illustration of how more of us are laughing (uncountable) than taking this seriously (one).
If the ratio's comparable at JC's, we're safe for a while yet.
I was about to adopt the little picture of K-wossname as my avatar, just to see if I could make people laugh as well as them. Him. Whatever.
Heck, K-guy wrote a large number of complete literate sentences that, taken individally, made considerably more sense than the pugilist and his fan(s) did.
But you have to consider how they all hold together or don't.
People may have a surprising number of coherent and supportable notions and still add them up to screaming bonkers.
It is a blog, rolled by an idiot
ReplyDeleteFull of Tucci and Curry
Signifying nothing.
~@:>
Toleration and normalising of this species of exterminist imebecility is what leads to this.
ReplyDeleteConsult your history books to see what starts to happen next.
Ever been directly threatened with violence by redneck extremists? I have. It's not funny, quaint, or 'entertaining'. At all.
It's ironic that this should all have happened in the context of a discussion about that very billboard that was so completely beyond the pale, with Heartland subsequently all but wiping itself off the map with its striking inability to grasp that it is they that are the indecorous lunatics.
Seems other lukewarm fellow-travellers can't learn that message, either.
Consider the following:
On the the contrary. When the “labels” fit, when they point out just how loathsome, just how evil, just how rotten these AGW-denying fraudsters are and have always been, there should be no holding back, no restraint, no respite.
When the popular perception of these “Never let a crisis go to waste” rightist pseudoscientists is such that they find themselves at risk of physical assault whenever and wherever they show themselves in public, we can slack off.
Now; would this be seen as 'entertaining'?
Further to Bill's remarks, how much fun are we having?
ReplyDeleteRead again:
Knock them down. Kick them until they quit moving. Check for breathing. Repeat.
Now, attach a face to the victim lying on the ground. Still laughing? Try another face, or yet another.
Those are people who are supposed to be lying on the ground, kicked to death.
100% confident it's a joke? Absolutely for sure? Cross your heart and hope to die if you're wrong?
Dial your clock back 20 years, read the "joke" and ask yourself, "How did somebody come to find those words funny? How did they get there, and once they have, what else is possible?"
Well color me stoopid, that is why they call me "Hey Stoopid".
ReplyDeleteIndicators of a delusion: -
1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural and religious background.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.
The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.
Hmmm, JC, is truly playing with fire, by catering to the small minority, which will always bite the hand that feeds.
Ouch!
Curry has carefully prepared the feild, plowed and tilled, sowed it with the preferred species, and lovingly nutured them.
ReplyDeleteAnd now she has a fine crop of nuts.
Anonymous Etc.
http://climate-nonsense.blogspot.com.au/
Perhaps a complaint to GaTech that Aunt Judy is tolerating hate speech might not go amiss.
ReplyDeleteI think some of you are reading too much into a few off-the-cuff responses to a particular commenter. There has been a bit much of that lately e.g. http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012/newsflash-eric-mcintyre-doesnt-permit-questions-about-thermo-posed-just-so/
ReplyDeleteTucci's comments were ridiculous. Perhaps the best response to that is ridicule?
I'm not getting to excited by what Judith Curry says, even this. Her remarks look like a polite, slightly ridiculing, way of saying don't take any notice of this numb nut.
ReplyDeleteBut it's extremely lame and far too tolerant of this kind of crazy.
If I went over to her site and beat up what's his face in an entertaining way, and that would be by humour and parody and cutting wit, I would certainly be banned.
Climate Ferret.
It's the water around Atlanta. How else to explain Saxby Chambliss and Lester Maddox, who are weird even by Southern standards? Judith kept running into those types in the faculty lounge at Georgia Tech, and the social pressure just got to be too much. Easier just to go ahead and become a denier.
ReplyDeleteIt's fitting that she's Pielke and Revkin's it girl. They don't have that excuse.
Mike Roddy: It's the water around Atlanta.
ReplyDeleteLiving in Atlanta is kind of like living in Kabul, Afghanistan. Squint a bit and Atlanta looks pretty civilized; there are universities, museums, libraries, a fantastic symphony, all the trappings of evolved civil society. But Atlanta's entirely surrounded by the local equivalent of Taliban; the accommodation between a city connected to the world and bucolic backwardness threatens to implode at any minute. The greater state of Georgia is mostly run by robber barons.
The state legislature is just a stone's throw (ok, short cab ride) away from GaTech; the legislators themselves come from towns where strangers suffer hard stares and robber barons command allegiance.
At least it's not Alabama. Alabama's crafting a reenactment of the Middle Ages, with excellent results so far.
It's not just the customers at the roadhouse that are reading the menus upside down. The cook too seems to be having difficulty understanding the recipes, even when they advise simple things such as plucking the turkey before baking.
ReplyDeleteLook at the feathers that she thinks are tasty morsels - the last paragraph is the punchline...
B.J.
I find it ironic (and sickening, but there are a lot of sick dangerous bullies on the right) that Tucci, on a blog discussing the Heartland billboard proved them right - you gotta be a lot crazier than Ted Bundy to deny global warming.
ReplyDeleteSome bunnies are wound too tight, fail to apply their "morals" equally to friends and foe and seem to miss that all the potential violence only seems to turn into real violence from those on the left and the "popular" causes of the day.
ReplyDeleteThis exchange on Curry's blog is no different than Obama saying "if they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun" or Joe Romm's "an entire generation that will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds."
I know RR is the land of double standards and two sets of rules, but jeez what a stretch.
Maybe some day someone will knock some sense into you. Oh no now I have threatened the little bunnies and they are going to panic.. My word, get real.
Celery Eater
If Judith Curry had any ethics or morals this is what she would have done.
ReplyDeleteShe would have condemned the comment in no uncertain terms.
She would have deleted the comment.
She would have banned the poster from her site.
She would have notified authorities of the poster's email and IP address.
She has done none of the above. Instead she referred a threat to kick climate scientists to death as "entertaining".
One has to wonder. Does Judith Curry sit in on executions in Georgia for cheap entertainment?
Also, given her response to death threats made on her site, Curry must also find this entertaining:
http://www.vincentchow.net/1203/kurdish-girl-stoned-to-death
Perhaps her empathy only applies to those who are not climate scientists...or perhaps she is simply cold-hearted in the extreme.
Albatross
...all the potential violence only seems to turn into real violence from those on the left...
ReplyDeleteYeah, just like in Oklahoma City!
The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and injured more than 680 people...Motivated by his hatred of the federal government and angered by what he perceived as its mishandling of the Waco Siege (1993) and the Ruby Ridge incident (1992), McVeigh timed his attack to coincide with the second anniversary of the deadly fire that ended the siege at Waco.
Hatred of the federal government and right-wing ravings. Sounds familiar!
Tucci78:
Every There Oughtta Be a Law! impulse on the part of these vicious meddlers relies upon government employees in one way or another pointing guns at people and killing as many of them as necessary...
...anybody who pushes this normative carbon pollution crap is ipso facto a government-aggrandizing leftie-luser intent upon the violation of the lives, liberties, and property of innocent human beings...
Mixed with more frothing about his fondness for double-barreled .45 semiautomatics, the birth certificate of our "Mombasa Messiah" President, etc. There's a lot of material there; Tucci78 is wound up pretty tight.
This is a pattern for Tucci78 that extends beyond climate:
ReplyDelete"Our Fraudulence-in-Chief really ought to be wearing a red shirt, shouldn’t he?"
"Y”know (sic), the kind with the big bull’s-eye over the back and the scoring rings properly marked."
http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-obama-kicking-iran-nuclear-threat-down-the-road/#comment-103373
Most people who threaten violence don't do it, but it's an increased risk factor and seems to be part of his self-definition. Judith has a lot to answer for.
The Curry Cornfield (updated)
ReplyDelete-- by Horatio Algeranon
The Curry Cornfield never ends
O'er hill and dale the labyrinth wends
With row upon row of science dead ends
And Uncertainty Monsters 'round all the bends.
The scarecrows guard the fields each day
And frighten the science crowd away
With libel and threats of bloody harm
That grow in rows on the Curry Farm
"Yeah, just like in Oklahoma City!"
ReplyDeleteOr just like Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida, fatally shot during a protest after having been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992.
Or Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola.
Or clinic receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts.
Or Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama.
Or Dr. Barnett Slepian, shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.
Or Dr. George Tiller, shot and killed as he served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.
And that's just those actually killed outright by so-called right-to-lifers, there's another nine at least who were shot or injured in bomb blasts or fires.
And then there's Allen Berg, shot twelve times by members of The Order in 1984.
Celery Eater is a lying sack of shit.
I see Celery Eater failed to give a specific example. PR flack.
ReplyDeletePoor dumb Celery Eater doesn't understand the difference between a metaphor and a foaming at the mouth rant advocating in plain language, violence against scientists.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Etc
CE,
ReplyDeleteWe are talking about scientists receiving death threats for doing science.
Now I suspect these are idle threats, because imbeciles like you and Tucci78 are at heart cowards who will talk a brave line on the Intertubes.
Oh, one of you might work yourselves up to pull a trigger one day just so you can feel like a big man, but you'll never be around for the heavy lifting or the hard work.
arids: ...one of you might work yourselves up to pull a trigger one day...
ReplyDeleteThat's how sorry lists like the one denoted upthread by anonymous are created. Spin up the flywheel of hatred too fast and poorly anchored bits on the periphery begin to tear off, creating havoc and destruction as they plunge into society.
Incessant chanting of ritualized expressions of loathing and imagined violence pushes energy into people like Timothy McVeigh, instills them with a sense of purposeful importance. McVeigh moved along a continuum of twisted mental velocity before he loaded his rental truck with explosives and struck a blow against the federal government and a bunch of toddlers.
It's remarkable that Judith Curry is so numb to the range of possibilities entailed by granting a soapbox to crazies like Tucci78. It seems as though her site has distilled itself mostly into a discussion area for so-called libertarians, if the thread in question is any example. Perhaps she shares the same "anything goes" philosophy as her followers?
'Celery eater', eh?
ReplyDeleteLet's see; it provides no nourishment (digesting it saps your energy, in fact) and is really only likely to give you the shits.
Bingo, then.
I will point out - as I thought was fairly obvious in the reversal I used above - that only people who don't feel hate-speech is targeted at themselves seem to be 'entertained' by it.
I have been in a situation where one city newspaper's hysterical and over-wrought reaction to a protest I was involved in meant that various local thugs apparently decided that they were being given a licence to turn up to threaten - and even beat - people. Again, consult your History books for precedents of what happens when derogatory language directed at an 'out' group becomes normalised to such an extent that they begin to be told by 'neutrals' that they should just 'get over it' and not make a fuss.
I have no problem with Curry playing host to other Libertarian ultras on that same thread as it only makes it very clear indeed that we are up against zealots engaged in what David Wojick even helpfully describes as 'ideological warfare'.
I'm positively happy that people get to read:
That the lukewarmers are aghast is irrelevant, as they are not Heartland’s constituency. Heartland has always been angry and anger is the political motif of the day. This is ideological warfare.
Heartland is clearly the leader at this point. Who else is even close among skeptical US think tanks? They have the conferences [oh, the irony!], the newsletter, theNIPCC reports, the Forbes articles, plus a bunch more. This is why they are under attack, but attack measures success.
Heartland speaks for the substantial number of skeptics who think CAGW is an ideological movement, at best, or even a hoax. Heartland is their emerging voice. The purpose is to stop the greens. The strategic direction is to channel widespread anger to get political results. (This is ideological warfare.) Joe Bast is in charge. What do you not understand?
and even the following, despite the obvious repetition of the same offence, as it only confirms that some people simply cannot learn and simply cannot see themselves from the outside -
I do not know the Heartlanders personally. But we share the moral conviction that the Greens are a menace to society, not unlike the Unibomber[sic], who acted on the same perverted principles.
He even (on May 24th!) claims that Heartland, with its new 'heavy duty' sponsors (guess who that refers to ?) is about to become the Right's answer to Greenpeace!
Yeah, right.
But violent hate-speech is unacceptable, period. You either knock it on the head if you're in the position to do so or you're an enabler. Whose life could possibly be impoverished by [snip]ping or simply banning this garrulous thug?
Let's try an experiment:
ReplyDelete"When the "labels" fit, when they point out just how loathsome, just how evil, just how rotten Celery Eater is and has always been, there should be no holding back, no restraint, no respite.
When the popular perception of this "Never let a denialist meme go to waste" rightwing pseudoscientist is such that he finds himself at risk of physical assault whenever and wherever he shows himself in public, we can slack off.
...Figurative speaking (heavens, we don’t want to be censored, do we?), the recipe goes: Knock Celery Eater down. Kick him until he quits moving. Check for breathing. Repeat."
Now, how does that feel? Hmmm?
Bernard J. Hyphen-Anonymous XVII, Esq.
(Call Thugs-R-Us™, 24/7
555-KNEE-CAP)
[Recaptcha said: "its MrTuds"]
Yep the rant proceeded exactly as I thought. Throw in random acts of violence, always include Oklahoma City...etc.
ReplyDeleteHow about a bridge in Cleveland, that is a little more recent? How about all those assaults on police officers within the last year? All from the left. btw this should clear my being called a "lying sack a shit", a little anger easily stirred, from the left, thanks for helping prove my point and failing to keep any composure, on a blog!
I will not hold my breath for RR to post similar articles when similar "threats" are made on "friendly" blogs. And the request is made to condemn and ban the poster.
Carry on with the same tactics, they are so effective.
Keep focused on HI as probably only 1% or less of the population even knows about them. Oh no the evil 1%! At least the 1% did not try to blow up a bridge in Cleveland.
The reaction from you all is selective and comical.
Celery Eater
"The reaction from you all is selective and comical."
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs some serious root canal work.
And a mirror.
Mr Tuds
Thugs-R-Us™, 24/7
555-KNEE-CAP
(Half-price, this weekend only)
Um Mr. Tuds,
ReplyDeleteI do not over react to words whether from Obama, Romm, or on Curry's blog.
Why don't you all focus on what Memorial Day is all about.
http://www.travismanion.com/the-mission.html
Celery Eater
CE wrote: "all the potential violence only seems to turn into real violence from those on the left"
ReplyDeleteThat's the part that earned you the well deserved description as a lying sack of shit, CE.
No one asserted the counter claim that "all the potential violence only seems to turn into real violence from those on the right." Not even close.
The shoe fits by your own words. Now you get to wear it, whether you you find it comfortable or not.
Ah, leave it to CE to come up with a tu quoque to go with all his other fallacies. How 'bout this, CE? How 'bout you just say Tucci78 and his fellow thugs are wrong? How 'bout saying that HI is wrong--not misguided, but wrong? Can you do that for us? I have no problem condemning assaults on (or by) police. Threats and violence are wrong. Don't try to justify the unjustifiable--that's how you wind up in untenable positions.
ReplyDeletea_ray,
ReplyDeleteOf course the comments by Tucci78are wrong, but the reaction here is waaaay over blown.
Of course the billboard incident by HI was wrong, I condemned it at the time, go look it up.
My point was not to justify bad behavior with examples of other bad behavior, it was the selective "outrage" to these words and holding two sets of standards here. I hold the same standards, I did not over react or react at alkl to Obama's or Romm's comments nor shall I to these.
It does not really matter what I post here, as long as I sign it with "Celery Eater" I am sure to get attacked (weak as those attacks are, lol). That says a lot.
Anon above,
When people differ in opinion it does not mean one side or the other is a "lying sack a shit". All RECENT violence has been from the left, deal with it.
Celery Eater
Celery Eater attributed words to Joe Romm that he did not write. That phrase was written in comments by an anonymous commenter, and Romm deleted the offensive phrase saying he did not agree with it.
ReplyDeletehttp://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/06/05/204201/nsidc-director-serreze-death-spiral-arctic-ice-wattsupwiththat/#comment-67225
As for Judith Curry, she is not on the side of the angels and probably never was. Don't give her oxygen.
Note that the comment about "strangling" quoted by CE was not made by Romm, but by a signature "Creative Genius" on Romm's blog. It was subsequently edited by Romm.
ReplyDeleteFrom the Southern Poverty Law Center http://tinyurl.com/yb6gwkd we see that
ReplyDeleteCelery Eater is engaging in projection.
The correct statement would be
"...all the potential violence only seems to turn into real violence from those on the right."
elspi
> a signature "Creative Genius"
ReplyDelete> on Romm's blog.
Romm did clear that guy's bad writing up appropriately.
Now if he could only educate Steve Goddard who seems to own that thread .... sigh
Still no response from Kloor, Tol, Morano and the poseur from Boulder?
ReplyDeleteNo, CE, when people lie in support of their argument it makes them a lying sack of shit.
ReplyDeleteYou lied. You're lying, still.
CE is now trying back away from and weasel out of his absolute assertion by inserting the qualifying word "recent."
ReplyDeleteSomeone who fancied themselves reasonable and impartial wouldn't have made such a statement in the first place, but if, in the heat of the moment, they had they would have no trouble fessing up and retracting their unreasonable and impartial remark.
That CE will not do so demonstrates how reasonable and impartial he actually is.
lol
ReplyDeletePredictable to the end. Like an assembley line.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1174/Update-Romm-defends-remarks-as-not-a-threat-but-a-prediction--Strangle-Skeptics-in-Bed-An-entire-generation-will-soon-be-ready-to-strangle-you-and-your-kind-while-you-sleep-in-your-beds
Happy Memorial Day lemmings.
Celery Eater
"This exchange on Curry's blog is no different than Obama saying "if they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun" or Joe Romm's "an entire generation that will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds.'"
ReplyDeleteBut it is different. It calls for attacking and injuring people now — people who haven't attacked Tucci78. They have not attacked anyone physically, nor AFAIK have they called for such attacks; they are merely doing science.
Obama's comment calls for having superior force of arms to repel an attack. See the difference?
Joe Romm predicts the attitudes of a future generation. In that comment, he advocates nothing. See the difference?
Curry hates Michael Mann with a passion.
ReplyDeleteBut I think his payback was brilliant - she is not mentioned in Mann's book The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars, not once. That's how important she is.
Perhaps we should follow his example.
Toby
Wow, cite Marc Morano's PR damage limitation. Take a shower, CE.
ReplyDeleteCaptcha: their ssslying
CE, you did not condemn the HI billboards. You said they were a mistake. You didn't say that they were wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are wrong that all recent violence is coming from the left. Threats against Obama continue. Gay bashing continues. Threats against climate scientists continue.
Try taking off your rightwing glasses.
'All recent violence has been from the Left'?
ReplyDeleteSay What? God, how amazingly Stoopid can you be?
Do the initials ABB mean anything to you in your bubble there, little man?
Psychosis is politically oblivious and we do not live in a unique period of history where psychotic persons are exclusively of one political bent or another, points CE seems to have trouble grasping.
ReplyDeleteIt's ironically amusing that psychosis often involves intractable, incorrect beliefs contrary to reality; it's hardly likely that the contrarian crowd are all psychotic but in terms of their behavior and impact there's little functional difference.
a_ray said, "CE, you did not condemn the HI billboards. You said they were a mistake. You didn't say that they were wrong."
ReplyDeleteCelery Eater said "Stupid stupid stupid move by HI. Unacceptable"
a_ray = lying sack of shit (to be at the level of a RR lemming).
And to continue down the low path of an RR lemming. I am willing to bet the face eater in Florida is a leftist.
Hmm this is fun, but enough sliming around with y'all, time to honor those who sacrificed everything for your rights to...
Celery Eater
I wonder how much time in prison those 5 OWS'ers from Cleveland are going to serve.
Imagine Curry w/ family in tow at a restaurant when her children were wee ones. If Tucci 78 is any indication, setting limits on "acting up" just weren't part of her parenting kit'n'kaboodle.
ReplyDeleteAs Philip Marlowe said to Norris about Carmen Sternwood, "You ought to wean her. She's old enough."
CE, allow me to explain the concept of right and wrong to you. We condemn things that are wrong, not because they set our cause back, but because they are wrong in a moral sense.
ReplyDeleteIt is not a matter of associating everything we don't like with each other. It is absolute right and wrong.
Got it? Of course you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be the complete moral cretin we all know and love.
"Hmm this is fun, but enough sliming around with y'all, time to honor those who sacrificed everything for your rights to..."
ReplyDeleteOrganise labour? Conduct scientific research without fear of persecution and harrassment from vested and commercial interests?
Bowers,
ReplyDeleteThere is more honor today for those who are a PFC than have a PHD.
Celery Eater
Celery Eater, when did anyone ever say it was the other way around? Or perhaps that's what you thought and have since changed your mind?
ReplyDeleteGood grief! What was that thing about patriotism and scoundrels?
ReplyDeleteBowers,
ReplyDeleteMy words mean what I say not what you want to twist them into. If you are unclear on what I meant, ask for clarification.
Celery Eater
CE sounds more and more like a Lewis Carroll character:
ReplyDeleteHumpty Dumpty: "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean."
Fetishization of the military is dangerous to democracy, OTOH so is demonization of the military. A balance needs to be restored.
ReplyDeleteAll that being said it is our duty to feel sympathy with their families and a sense of loss for those who have died in wars. Hatred for those who sent young men into the meat chopper is also called for. The lesson of WWI was that all the generals should have been shot.
CE -- "If you are unclear on what I meant, ask for clarification."
ReplyDeleteI thought the question marks in my comment would have been a clue as to the clarity of your meaning? Just sayin'.
CE: My words mean what I say...
ReplyDeleteBegging the question, what did it mean to say? Inarticulate: bug or feature?
Curry is a warning on the dangers of Mental illness and illustrative of it's viral nature. Simply put, the longer one gives relevance and succour to traits of Mental illness the more likely one will start to display similar symptoms.
ReplyDeleteAs Science moves on from Climate change as hypothesis to merrily documentation, the field of the Human mind opens up as fertile ground for exploration and elephants in the room getting disturbed, such as the Schizophrenic nature of Religion. How can humanity be expected to act in a way properly cognisant of existential threat when a vast percentage are mentaly ill?
In line with the proposal of Mental Illness as virus I have seen 'it' for want of better nomenclature quite willing to sacrifice it's host by removing the hosts ability to respond to clear and present danger, this mechanism can be seen to be scalar in large numbers of humans exhibiting such inability re Climate change.
Celery Eater,
ReplyDeleteI sypathize with your support for the military. I do not sympatize with the use to which you have put that support.
Bluntly, you were using your support for the military as a way to mock thosen who have taken other career paths and who have come up with conclusions that you do not like. You can support your country's military because that is the propper thing to to do. That support is degraded if you use ist as a way to attack political opponents on issues that have nothing to do with support for the military.
This is clearly not an issue with Dr. Curry endorsing any form of violence because clearly she is not. Then again what makes this worse than the propaganda commercials that were recently released in the UK,where the students and the teacher were blown up for not "supporting" the AGW cause. Clearly Dr. Curry is being targeted by the propaganda machine to discredit her in any way it can to further the "cause". The way people blindly follow RC and Tamino is almost too much to be believed. There was a time when Rabbett was a more moderate and fair/balanced blog, but as political interests continue to exert pressure on the scientific community and professors, the fair and balanced goes out the window.
ReplyDeletemy question is, who is figurative?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, Currie is permitting an atmosphere that encourages violence. That was the issue of this post. And your talk about blindly following, you are blinding yourself to the reasons why people agree with the scientific consensus. Most posters here do do because it makes sense and its opponents do not.
ReplyDelete"Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I'll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted."
ReplyDelete-Ben Santer
Santer had personal reasons for that, such as the attempted ruination of his career which also contributed to the breakup of his marriage. Santer didn't broadcast it over the internet, your favourite hackers and bloggers did. But here's Santer sat right next to Pat Michaels, and he did indeed beat the crap out of him.
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed he did! ;-)
ReplyDeleteSo, did Kloor et al. ever get around to commenting? On this, that is, I noticed Kloor commenting about the badness on the part of a scientist doing something he didn't like. But that was a scientist, and didn't involve death threats.
ReplyDeleteFlagged at Tamino's:
ReplyDelete"When I get an e-mail that mentions my child and a guillotine, I want to pull a blanket over my head."
Yes, you guessed it, a quote from a climate scientist.