tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8850428458450570476..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Is the Earth Getting Warmer? A prominent leftist says "NO".EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9924340912595849372012-03-07T14:49:16.323-05:002012-03-07T14:49:16.323-05:00That's the link, ligne, and thanks.That's the link, ligne, and thanks.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20178407350196447002012-03-06T19:33:59.681-05:002012-03-06T19:33:59.681-05:00"As for the Brown Cloud..."
Anony, thin..."As for the Brown Cloud..."<br /><br />Anony, think sulfur dioxide, which turns into sulfuric acid droplets, which reflect some incoming sunlight back to space. Think particulate aerosols, such as ash and back carbon, which block incoming sunlight. They also then heat up in the atmosphere, but half or more of that heat will then be radiated upward away from the surface. So, the net forcing of aerosols is definitely negative (cooling).<br /><br />"the changes in TSI have been small..."<br /><br />Small yes, but not non-existent. All three factors I listed stand.Jim Eagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58280724467440544812012-03-06T11:46:09.477-05:002012-03-06T11:46:09.477-05:00The only thing I've ever agreed with Cockburn ...The only thing I've ever agreed with Cockburn about was a preface for a P.G. Wodehouse book he [Cockburn] wrote almost 40 years ago. Denying AGW because it's a conspiracy by the nuclear power industry? What a dumbo.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2819122448242829722012-03-06T07:44:53.406-05:002012-03-06T07:44:53.406-05:00There he goes again !<a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2012/03/left-hand-of-snarkness.html" rel="nofollow">There he goes again !</a>THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13772613218641443742012-03-06T01:41:26.503-05:002012-03-06T01:41:26.503-05:00Prominent journalist probably has to have his tax ...Prominent journalist probably has to have his tax form prepared form him 'cause he doesn't understand numbers.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12780382107389631412012-03-05T23:38:21.688-05:002012-03-05T23:38:21.688-05:00Thanks for the comments. I just fixed the link to ...Thanks for the comments. I just fixed the link to the Counterpunch website.<br />-JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575837647825433144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12853847211016172482012-03-05T18:21:02.516-05:002012-03-05T18:21:02.516-05:00Steve Bloom: this column? http://www.michaelsher...Steve Bloom: this column? http://www.michaelshermer.com/2012/03/opting-out-of-overoptimism/lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4478374337238335582012-03-05T16:17:27.269-05:002012-03-05T16:17:27.269-05:00Jim Eager,
I'll agree with you that the La Ni...Jim Eager,<br /><br />I'll agree with you that the La Nina has ruled the 2000s though El Nino ruled the nineties.<br /><br />As for the Brown Cloud, it is described as brown, not white.<br />Is the forcing of the brown cloud positive? <br />Without the precise and accurate shortwave measurements necessary, one can't be sure.<br /><br />And as for the solar minimum, the magnetism and spot counts have been remarkable,<br />but the changes in TSI have been small.<br />Do you believe there is a GCR albedo modulation?<br />If the minimum of cycle 24 did have an influence, what are we to make of the even<br />weaker cycle 25 predictions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47418622107181889612012-03-05T15:21:03.562-05:002012-03-05T15:21:03.562-05:00Waldo, keep in mind 1) increase in anthropogenic a...Waldo, keep in mind 1) increase in anthropogenic aerosols, aka Asian brown cloud, 2) relatively weak El Nino and relatively extended La Nina since 1998, and 3) the longest and deepest solar minimum of the last 100+ years.Jim Eagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10515273716734363472012-03-05T14:57:22.592-05:002012-03-05T14:57:22.592-05:00Waldo,
What it shows is that 10 year trends and 11...Waldo,<br />What it shows is that 10 year trends and 11 year trends and 12 year trends are not climate. <br /><br />Foster and Rahmstorf showed that if you account for the main sources of "weather" the warming continues at the same pace.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3802348056059710622012-03-05T13:46:56.584-05:002012-03-05T13:46:56.584-05:00I think Cockburn's basic problem, one he holds...I think Cockburn's basic problem, one he holds in common with his opposite numbers on the right, is an unthinking (meaning so taken for granted that it's unexamined) optimism about the future. It's a kind of early 20th century disease, agreed on at the time by every significant ideology in the Western World, and very much rooted in Dunning-Kruger. I suspect a distant future historian will find this factor to be proof that all of those folks had far more in common that not.<br /><br />Michael Shermer's pertinent current column in SciAm is worth a read (saw it in hard copy but for some reason couldn't find a link easily), although I suppose that everything of importance about the problem can be understood starting from the point that more than 50% of the population considers itself above average (or in Shermer's opening example, possessing above-average driving skill).<br /><br />It's entirely uninspiring to conclude that in asking people to deal realistically with climate change we are asking them to overcome what would seem to be a deeply-rooted aspect of human nature. They will respond, eventually, after being hit over the head with sufficient force, but by then how much will be irretrievably damaged?Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40996272926166560752012-03-05T13:42:17.724-05:002012-03-05T13:42:17.724-05:00a_ray_in_dilbert_space,
The two intermediate tren...a_ray_in_dilbert_space,<br /><br />The two intermediate trends, ( eighties and nineties ), do end with El Chichon and Pinatubo. No such eruptions account for the recent cooling trend.<br /><br />Further, even with the the volcanic influences, those decade long trends switch signs when backing up to an eleven year trend ( which is what we have in multiple data sets since 2001 ):<br /><br /><a href="http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1966/to:1977/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1976/to:1987/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1986/to:1997/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1967/to:2012/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to:2012/trend/plot/rss/from:2001/to:2012/trend/plot/wti/from:2001/to:2012/trend" rel="nofollow">Eleven year trends</a><br /><br />WaldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83559983786574221812012-03-05T12:59:50.908-05:002012-03-05T12:59:50.908-05:00Speaking of 2nd law nuttery, rabetts may be intere...Speaking of 2nd law nuttery, rabetts may be interested in the extended Dunning-Kruger craziness on exhibit in this post and comment thread:<br /><br />http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/2012/02/basic-postulate-of-co2-alarmism.htmlArthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06249922708053689717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44148918183971773892012-03-05T12:50:48.021-05:002012-03-05T12:50:48.021-05:00The Economist had a story about the Berkeley Earth...<i>The Economist</i> had a story about the Berkeley Earth project, last October. In preparation for the story, they asked me for comments. Those comments are now posted on my site:<br /><a href="http://www.informath.org/apprise/a5700.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.informath.org/apprise/a5700.htm</a><br /><br />I believe those comments demonstrate that the Berkeley Earth work is bogus.Douglas J. Keenanhttp://www.informath.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16302286160726331562012-03-05T12:11:08.216-05:002012-03-05T12:11:08.216-05:00Waldo,
It's called "weather" aka &qu...Waldo,<br />It's called "weather" aka "noise". Look at the accompanying graph. It is not at all difficult to find 10 year periods that show little warming trend.<br />http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1967/to:1977/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1977/to:1987/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1987/to:1997/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1967/to:1997/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1967/to:2012/plot/gistemp/from:2002/to:2012/trend<br /><br />Hint: Start in a year with a big El Nino.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3800884380128342622012-03-05T11:25:43.489-05:002012-03-05T11:25:43.489-05:00The use of tense (warmING, coolING) with regard to...The use of tense (warmING, coolING) with regard to climate change is elusive.<br /><br />The global temp is constantly undergoing a much larger seasonal variation ( around 5K from Jan to Jul ) than the expected century change.<br /><br />Of course, thirty year trends are the traditional but somewhat arbitrary measure. By thirty year trend, the atmosphere is warming.<br /><br />But much can happen in thirty years, including what's happened for the last eleven:<br /><br />GISSTEMP 0.41 K/century<br />RSS LT -0.50 K/century<br />HadCRUT -0.53 K/century<br />Had SST -0.55 K/century<br />RSS MT -0.83 K/century<br /><br />This is still not necessarily contradictory with the thirty year trend (though it has decreased the value of the thirty year trend ) because the early aughts were a little warmer than trend and the late aughts were a cooler than trend.<br /><br />But what is causing this trend?<br />How long will it persist?<br /><br />WaldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87668215998829157182012-03-05T09:50:01.329-05:002012-03-05T09:50:01.329-05:00This is vaguely similar to David Bellamy, who also...This is vaguely similar to David Bellamy, who also might be expected to be supportive of GW (he is, or rather was, a respected Env type).<br /><br />But he doesn't like windmills. So for him the logic went:<br /><br />* I don't like windmills<br />* Windmills are going up due to GW<br />* Therefore GW is false.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51272835298214600772012-03-05T09:04:35.068-05:002012-03-05T09:04:35.068-05:00An idiot ideologue is an idiot ideologue--whether ...An idiot ideologue is an idiot ideologue--whether the ideology is left or right. When you start to value ideological purity above truth, you are wrong. Always.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57266886687016105992012-03-05T09:01:13.540-05:002012-03-05T09:01:13.540-05:00AC should see this (not that it would help):
http:...AC should see this (not that it would help):<br />http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/best/from:1970/plot/best/from:1980/to:1988/trend/plot/best/from:1987/to:1995/trend/plot/best/from:1998/to:2005/trend/plot/best/from:2002/to:2011/trend/plot/best/from:1973/to:1980/trend/plot/best/from:1995/to:2001/trend/plot/best/from:1970/to:2010.2/trendAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48297191418916283852012-03-05T08:35:16.444-05:002012-03-05T08:35:16.444-05:00I've had two extended runs-ins with AC on this...I've had two extended runs-ins with AC on this. I no longer visit his site.<br /><br />AC lurks behind the lab coat of a retired mine safety inspector, Martin Herzberg, a coal dust specialist. I've seen his name attached to an anti-ACC DVD. (Something about green dragons?) <br /><br />Herzberg is another impeccably accomplished specialist on the gross misunderstanding of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. <br /><br />My last email to AC, two years ago, asked him for an explanation of his strongly held, if otherwise totally nebulous, conspiracy theory regarding "corrupt corporate fascist interests" behind the climate science. No answer yet.<br /><br />The only public revelation he's made of actual aggrievement, caused by the alleged conspiracy, was a hearty complaint about a $7 tax on an airline flight to Spain.<br /><br />I'm still not sure to be elated or depressed to have gotten an example of such a self-avowed, massive intellect behaving like a cranky child.<br /><br />John PumaJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12479974040070719985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36985799050809615572012-03-05T06:18:36.085-05:002012-03-05T06:18:36.085-05:00I stopped subscribing to CounterPunch specifically...I stopped subscribing to <i>CounterPunch</i> specifically because of this nonsense. He has cited material from the friggin' LaRouchies as evidence, fer Chrissakes!...<br /><br />I also wrote and told his manager that I dropped the subscription because his anti-AGW [*cough*] evidence was 'um, a pile of shite', and if he was prepared to dish out tripe like that it completely changed how I felt about the likely veracity of his other work.<br /><br />You need the back story via <a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2007/05/31/alexander-cockburn-and-the-corruption-of-science/" rel="nofollow">his encounters with George Monbiot</a>. When cornered the great man needs to keep the dog away well from his homework, I can tell you!<br /><br />I actually <a href="http://planetmatters.blogspot.com.au/2007/06/tempest-alexander-cockburn-george.html" rel="nofollow">blogged about it</a> at the time. The links he provided to Monbiot are, well, dire.<br /><br />'Prominent Leftist loses plot', more like.<br /><br />I still greatly admire Patrick Cockburn, and there's some great material still on CounterPunch. But when Alexander gives one of his weekend sermons and the topic is Climate... well, find another post to read.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50796015050449135462012-03-05T04:19:53.418-05:002012-03-05T04:19:53.418-05:00The OP links are mangled (this morning anyway).
T...The OP links are mangled (this morning anyway).<br /><br />Try<br /><br /><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/02/sunspots-and-republicans/" rel="nofollow">Sunspots and Republicans</a><br /><br />and<br /><br /><a href="http://berkeleyearth.org/pdf/berkeley-earth-decadal-variations.pdf" rel="nofollow">Decadal Variations in the Global Atmospheric Land Temperatures</a>.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82553803828787065482012-03-05T03:06:52.129-05:002012-03-05T03:06:52.129-05:00Regarding the graph: that peak in the late 1960s l...Regarding the graph: that peak in the late 1960s looks weird.Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74091053193532436572012-03-05T02:08:32.799-05:002012-03-05T02:08:32.799-05:00I just sent this to his email:
"Dear Mr. Coc...I just sent this to his email:<br /><br />"Dear Mr. Cockburn,<br /><br />Your recent Counterpunch column asserts that we're in a cooling period. I disagree. I think one way we can both show our confidence and sincerity in our assertions is by betting over it.<br /><br />Several years ago, climatologist James Annan arranged a $10,000 bet with two Russian academics on this exact issue that I expect would be equally attractive to you:<br /> <br />http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/2005/08/bet.html <br /><br />If you're worried about trusting the loser to pay, maybe we can find someone we both trust to hold the funds and earn interest, or otherwise figure out confidence-building arrangements.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Brian Schmidt"Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36237406243049586682012-03-05T01:14:14.550-05:002012-03-05T01:14:14.550-05:00Thanks for this, but the link to the Cockburn arti...Thanks for this, but the link to the Cockburn article is mangled.<br /><br />'http://www.blogger.com/www.counterpunch.org'amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.com