tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8619722047746559965..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Michael Mann ExoneratedEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37679028678468040372010-03-15T15:23:34.339-04:002010-03-15T15:23:34.339-04:00With reference to the FOI requests, the claim that...With reference to the FOI requests, the claim that data is requested for 200 countries is misleading. The requests were for copies of the agreements concerning restrictions on sharing data. Dr. Jones implies that all these requests were for detailed climate data. Most of these countries could have been handled by a simple statement: "No agreement." Those who had agreements would easily be satisfied by issuing a copy of said document. Unfortunately, we are told, many of the documents are lost. I think the only response possible for these would be, "Unable to produce document." I don't see 18 hours of staff work to accomplish this.<br /><br />My second comment is in reference to Senator Inhofe's letter. I see responses to his religious beliefs but no responses to the very real issues he outlined. NSF will surely do an investigation. I know this because I work for a company almost entirely funded by NSF grants. The Senator's citations are correct. It will take time (probably years) but it will happen.<br /><br />I realize Penn State is engaged in questions related to academic fraud. They don't and shouldn't address OMB and other regulations.<br /><br />LaurieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4913003775624749262010-02-11T08:41:18.197-05:002010-02-11T08:41:18.197-05:00Eli:
I've always thought very highly of you i...Eli:<br /><br />I've always thought very highly of you if not for your science knowledge but your humor.<br /><br />Didn't your mom ever tell you to stop hanging around with the wrong boys at school?<br /><br />You're still not listening to her.<br /><br />Anyways you will always get a pass from me being from Crooklyn. I forgive your peculiar transgression my son.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80875403923705270092010-02-10T23:23:49.646-05:002010-02-10T23:23:49.646-05:00Anon, you appear to be confusing Marc Morano with ...Anon, you appear to be confusing Marc Morano with Michael Mann. No harm, they share the same initials, but Eli understands that Morano is a litigious soul so be carefulEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70867029093100751362010-02-10T23:11:32.720-05:002010-02-10T23:11:32.720-05:00Eli humbly suggests that the mice list examples of...<i>Eli humbly suggests that the mice list examples of people who accused Mann of these, so we may inquire for an apology. </i><br /><br />Really? Why? Because the board of regents are a bunch of soft cocks?<br /><br />Everyone knows two things about Mann.<br /><br />1. He's a dishonest sack of shit<br /><br />2. He'll be gone inside of a year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41327642946483607542010-02-10T04:23:28.350-05:002010-02-10T04:23:28.350-05:00Re: John Mashey said...
http://it-networks.or...Re: John Mashey said...<br /><br /> http://it-networks.org/?p=222<br /> is interesting.<br /> 2:26 PM <br /><br />Thanks John, I noticed that a little while after I'd got stuck-in!<br /><br />Seems there are some good journalists around!amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35872116717443647362010-02-07T17:26:47.754-05:002010-02-07T17:26:47.754-05:00http://it-networks.org/?p=222
is interesting.http://it-networks.org/?p=222<br />is interesting.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12138325719549457662010-02-07T17:00:37.219-05:002010-02-07T17:00:37.219-05:00(Adjusting my tinfoil hat here...)
I can't he...(Adjusting my tinfoil hat here...)<br /><br />I can't help but wonder if this whole "climategate" thing was a setup along these lines....<br /><br />The climateaudit folks bombard the CRU with FOI requests, hoping that someone important there "flies off the handle" in writing.<br /><br />When said important person gets fed up enough and does "fly off the handle", a climateaudit mole is there ready to snarf up the radioactive email messages and splatter them all over the Internet.<br /><br />Like I said, this is sort of getting into "tinfoil-hat" territory... but I just can't help but wonder about it all....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80466696273043921112010-02-07T16:01:23.031-05:002010-02-07T16:01:23.031-05:00Yup.
Thats why nobody has any time for Macintyre,...Yup. <br />Thats why nobody has any time for Macintyre, which enables him to play the poor underdog. <br /><br />Thats a pretty shady way of approaching things as well - bombard CRU with FOI requests when they can get most of the data from GISS, and anyway a lot of it will be embargoed for confidentiality. <br /><br />Thats nice work Amoeba, is there any way it can be put to the relevant authorities/ people who need to know what sort of people are atatcking the scientists?guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992984293423290387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47123568242516966162010-02-07T07:59:10.439-05:002010-02-07T07:59:10.439-05:00What's the significance of the small New Zeala...What's the significance of the small New Zealand-administered territories?<br /><br />Whoops, shoulda read further. I see, he wanted to issue separate FOIARs for as many territories as possible. Bit of a pattern of behaviour from McIntyre, wouldn't you say?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49066232332694302082010-02-07T06:56:41.020-05:002010-02-07T06:56:41.020-05:00It is most revealing to google
'Alan Wilkins...It is most revealing to google <br /><br />'Alan Wilkinson' site:climateaudit.org<br /><br />It reveals that Alan Wilkinson was not an honest broker, but a porolific poster at ClimateFraudit and part of the FOI campaign.<br /><br />Read this:<br />'Steve McIntyre<br />Posted Jul 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM | Permalink | Reply<br /><b>I suggest that interested readers can participate by choosing 5 countries and sending the following FOI request to david.palmer at uea.ac.uk:</b><br /><br />Dear Mr Palmer,<br /><br />I hereby make a EIR/FOI request in respect to any confidentiality agreements)restricting transmission of CRUTEM data to non-academics involing the following countries: [insert 5 or so countries that are different from ones already requested]<br /><br />1. the date of any applicable confidentiality agreements;<br />2. the parties to such confidentiality agreement, including the full name of any organization;<br />3. a copy of the section of the confidentiality agreement that “prevents further transmission to non-academics”.<br />4. a copy of the entire confidentiality agreement,<br /><br />I am requesting this information for the purposes of academic research.<br /><br />Thank you for your attention.<br /><br />Yours truly,<br /><br /><b>yourname</b><br /><br /><br />If you do so, please post up a copy of your letter so that we can keep track of requested countries.'<br /><br />From:<br />http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/24/cru-refuses-data-once-again/<br /><br />A coordinated campaign, unintentionally revealed by one of the dishonest participants.amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83479398284525468142010-02-07T06:17:08.870-05:002010-02-07T06:17:08.870-05:00Re: Anonymous said and the TimesOnline article abo...Re: Anonymous said and the TimesOnline article about coordinated campaign of harassment against Phil Jones and the CRU.<br />One only has to look at the comments.<br /><br />Alan Wilkinson wrote:<br /><br />This was the exact text:<br />I hereby make a EIR/FOI request in respect to any confidentiality agreements restricting transmission of CRUTEM data to non-academics involving the following countries: <br />CAROLINE ISLANDS<br />SOLOMON ISLANDS<br />WALLIS ISLANDS<br />COOK ISLANDS<br />NIUE ISLAND<br />1. the date of any applicable confidentiality agreements;<br />2. the parties to such confidentiality agreement, including the full name of any organization;<br />3. a copy of the section of the confidentiality agreement that "prevents further transmission to non-academics".<br />4. a copy of the entire confidentiality agreement, <br />I am requesting this information for the purposes of academic research.<br /><br />The point of his argument seems somewhat blunted by three observations:<br /><br />An apparently identical template was posted on ClimateFraudit.<br />http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6623<br /><br />The fact that this FOI was submitted at the same time with the ClimateFraudit initiated FOI storm. What a coincidence?<br /><br />If he were genuinely an academic, why would he issue the CRU with an FOI request about confidentiality agreements restricting transmission of CRUTEM data to <b>non-academics</b> involving the listed countries?<br /><br />I'm sure there are other things that do not add-up about Alan Wilkinson's claim.amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2966800500426217572010-02-07T02:15:29.852-05:002010-02-07T02:15:29.852-05:00Relevant article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...Relevant article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7017905.ece<br /><br />Material in the article strongly suggests a coordinated campaign of harassment against Phil Jones and the CRU.<br /><br />Excerpts:<br /><br />The leak was bad. Then came the death threats.<br /><br />“He now accepts that he did not treat the FoI requests as seriously as he should have done. “I regret that I did not deal with them in the right way,” he told The Sunday Times.”<br /><br />“But he pleads provocation. Last year in July alone the unit received 60 FoI requests from across the world. With a staff of only 13 to cope with them, the demands were accumulating faster than they could be dealt with. “According to the rules,” says Jones, “you have to do 18 hours’ work on each one before you’re allowed to turn it down.””<br /><br />“A further irritation was that most of the data was available online, making the FoI requests, in Jones’s view, needless and a vexatious waste of his time. In the circumstances, he says, he thought it reasonable to refer the applicants to the website of the Historical Climatology Network in the US.”<br /><br />“He also suspected that the CRU was the target of a co-ordinated attempt to interfere with its work — a suspicion that hardened into certainty when, over a matter of days, it received 40 similar FoI requests. Each applicant asked for data from five different countries, 200 in all, which would have been a daunting task even for someone with nothing else to do. It was clear to Jones that the attack originated from an old adversary, the sceptical website Climate Audit, run by Steve McIntyre, a former minerals prospector and arch climate sceptic.”<br /><br />“If the leak itself was bad, the aftermath was the stuff of nightmares. Even now, weeks later, Jones seems rigid with shock. “There were death threats,” he says. “People said I should go and kill myself. They said they knew where I lived.” Two more death threats came last week after the deputy information commissioner delivered his verdict, making more work for Norfolk police, who are already investigating the theft of the emails.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75343159371521667372010-02-07T01:24:25.195-05:002010-02-07T01:24:25.195-05:00The junk science is crumbling around your ears. Th...The junk science is crumbling around your ears. The truth is coming to get you!jackgymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75016963451856602052010-02-07T00:19:33.036-05:002010-02-07T00:19:33.036-05:00Carrot eater I was with you until the last part of...Carrot eater I was with you until the last part of your post. I never assigned guilt to Prof Mann. I just would not be surprised if he has done something. Although if you knew ahead of time that video, pictures, and comments were to be used to assess your personality, that may skew the results. Why are you working so hard at twisting my point into something you can argue against? Are you that uncomforatble?<br /><br /><br />Shall I use a name less anonymous like "radish-eater" or "kahtza"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61217786680770710692010-02-06T21:04:16.038-05:002010-02-06T21:04:16.038-05:00Perhaps we should play the game that was suggested...Perhaps we should play the game that was suggested above. Somebody can make up some random and incoherent allegations about me, then I'll put up my picture and maybe a video of me talking about something or other.<br /><br />Then we can all decide if I have the personality-type that is consistent with the alleged misdeeds. If so, I must be guilty. What a great process.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40343837544385088732010-02-06T20:52:05.041-05:002010-02-06T20:52:05.041-05:00It usually becomes clear after a couple of rants w...It usually becomes clear after a couple of rants which anon are which. We can live with it at least for now.<br /><br />Freedom of speech<br />Freedom of religion<br />Freedom from want<br />Freedom from fear<br />Freedom to rant<br /><br />The American WayEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-78274316865503599252010-02-06T20:07:43.802-05:002010-02-06T20:07:43.802-05:00Eli --- I opine you should not allow anonymous pos...Eli --- I opine you should not allow anonymous postings. Too many Nonny Mice who don't sign their post or leave an IP address even.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67710026413307354722010-02-06T15:43:56.544-05:002010-02-06T15:43:56.544-05:00For the mice who think it isn't science if the...For the mice who think it isn't science if the scientist isn't nice:<br /><br />"Science doesn’t work despite scientists being asses. Science works, to at least some extent, <i>because</i> scientists are asses."<br /><br />Credit: <a rel="nofollow">Peter Watts</a>, via Hank RobertsMal Adaptedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123525780458234978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5137266580727694542010-02-06T14:50:04.563-05:002010-02-06T14:50:04.563-05:00Mark not a bad conclusion, but not correct. I am n...Mark not a bad conclusion, but not correct. I am not performing a parody on anything. Just voicing my opinion based upon my years of experience in dealing with, managing, and leading people. My original assessment of Prof Mann was based not just on his picture, not just on his recent comments, not just on his video interviews, but on all of it together. His personality (as I describe it) often leads to misconduct and certainly leads to a higher level of scrutiny than those that are less abrasive, smug, and defensive.<br /><br />Leave Prof Mann out of it for a moment. Do you know anyone like I described above and do they usually garner more attention than others and often take shortcuts, are extremely biased (in their own favor), and are just more prone to misbehave?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87396116869359909602010-02-06T14:12:39.509-05:002010-02-06T14:12:39.509-05:00I just figured it out. Anonymous is doing a parod...I just figured it out. Anonymous is doing a parody of the concern troll. It all fits: Eli's recent thread on concern trolls, taken with RP_sqrd's parody earlier in this thread, inspired anonymous to parody a concern troll. Anonymous is playing it very well. First, trying to seem reasonable ("And no I do not believe the emails prove anything one way or another") but slowly revealing skepticism based on flimsy reasoning ("and just the general nature of the way he looks"). Well done, Anonymous, great parody! Bravo!Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-63639731021893081842010-02-06T11:00:03.824-05:002010-02-06T11:00:03.824-05:00You will have to do much better than that Jim, try...You will have to do much better than that Jim, try harder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70830539210887111402010-02-05T22:43:35.814-05:002010-02-05T22:43:35.814-05:00Anonymous said...
I see you have made a value jud...Anonymous said...<br /><br /><i>I see you have made a value judgement of me. Only based upon what I said, while at the same time criticizing me for doing the same.</i><br /><br />You're very observant. <br /><br />For a jackass.Jim Bouldinhttp://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu/bouldin/index.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45824600409763307742010-02-05T22:19:43.499-05:002010-02-05T22:19:43.499-05:00btw carrot eater does the following define you?
h...btw carrot eater does the following define you?<br /><br />http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=carrot%20eater<br /><br />Just curios as I have not seen your picture or any video of you its hard to tell, but probably pretty close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39603066927254367172010-02-05T21:27:49.318-05:002010-02-05T21:27:49.318-05:00So you didn't catch McIntyre lying in the Fox ...So you didn't catch McIntyre lying in the Fox News piece, dudes?<br /><br /><b>Steve McIntyre of the Web site Climate Audit also charged that the panel looked at papers that were already publicly available. "They did not examine any of Mann's correspondence that was not already in the public record," he said. In effect, he argued, the panel didn't use any of its investigatory powers to plumb deeper.</b><br /><br />Well, no, the looked over all of Mann's e-mails including those that weren't in the public record (interesting way to say "stolen"), which among other things is how they know he didn't delete e-mails in response to Jones's e-mail requesting he do so.<br /><br />McI caught in an out-and-out lie, how unsurprising is that?dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53619246008016727342010-02-05T19:53:30.834-05:002010-02-05T19:53:30.834-05:00Angliss:
but..but..but...look at his picture! An...Angliss:<br /><br />but..but..but...look at his picture! And his mannerisms! I'm not sure what he's accused of, but I'm sure he did it, whatever it was. Just look at him!<br /><br /><br />Looking at that Fox news quote: On the divergence issue, you can tell the sceptics with half a brain, from the sceptics with zero brain. The latter think the temperatures have actually been dropping since 1960, and it's been hidden. The former know it hasn't, but wonder how you can tell whether or not tree rings are primarily sensitive to temperature at any given point in time. Which is a perfectly legitimate question.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.com