tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8519629060992368029..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Adding to the war on science: gun research, pregnancy-rape connection....EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57103922292365753972013-02-03T21:26:56.068-05:002013-02-03T21:26:56.068-05:00J Bowers,
Nope, wrong again. Try some other pre-f...J Bowers,<br /><br />Nope, wrong again. Try some other pre-fab boxes that you like to use. <br /><br />Predictable and boringAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75082833638119616462013-02-03T16:50:23.495-05:002013-02-03T16:50:23.495-05:00There was I, thinking it had something to do with ...There was I, thinking it had something to do with the actions of the League of Nations, the Manchu monarchy and the Romanoffs. Bad Bernard J, you've been a very naughty boy.<br /><br />Funnily enough, though, them early anti-semitic proto-Nazis were also busy denying relativity in much the same way as the modern AGW denier does (Einstein being Jewish), sans internet and telly. I'm sure there's an Anon-style logical progression there to do with the undefinable environmentalist and lib'rul menace, but it eludes me for now. J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70847431667208692072013-02-02T18:18:56.506-05:002013-02-02T18:18:56.506-05:00Bernard,
And it is people like you that are susce...Bernard,<br /><br />And it is people like you that are susceptible to social influence of those you place in power above you, you conform to others thoughts and ideas, turn off your independent thought and conform to the group think. People like you make the Hitlers, Maos, and Stalins possible.<br /><br />Chew on thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72537194654965441862013-02-02T08:52:55.751-05:002013-02-02T08:52:55.751-05:00Anonymous bozo.
I see your error. You are (unsur...Anonymous bozo.<br /><br />I see your error. You are (unsurprisingly confusing things. <br /><br />On the one hand is the disporportionate propensity of emotionally and intellectually under-developed people to respond with knee-jerk over-reaction to people and circumstances they do not like - a bit like yourself... <br /><br />On the other hand is the cold, calculated psychopathy of mass-murders such as those whom you named.<br /><br />Different kettles of fish, and likely those psychopaths are much more 'intelligent' (IQ, not EQ) than your average fundamentalist conservative. I'm quite ammenable to regarding you as belonging to the fundamentalist category, but I doubt that you have the charisma, the capacity for strategy, and the detatched indifference that characterises the inhumanity of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.<br /><br />Fundamentalist or psychopath, both are potentially great dangers to society. The ætiologies are quite different though, and I wouldn't conflate the two. That you did is your issue, not mine.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59543011253189115702013-02-01T23:36:08.423-05:002013-02-01T23:36:08.423-05:00Anony --
Not sure that Federalist 29 means what t...Anony --<br /><br />Not sure that Federalist 29 means what the quote implies...Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39688491456699215022013-02-01T18:31:49.724-05:002013-02-01T18:31:49.724-05:00"In 2011, firearm injuries accounted for 32,1..."In 2011, firearm injuries accounted for 32,163 deaths in the United States, nearly as many as the 34,677 fatalities from motor vehicle traffic accidents.."<br /><br />had the constitution approbated well-ordered demolition derbys instead of militias, debate could be focused on damning car nuts who believe in the right to keep, bear fire and fire off fully automatic internal combustion engines .<br /><br />Thank god they don't make high-capacity potato magazines for exhaust pipesTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35838545989039411052013-02-01T11:34:15.258-05:002013-02-01T11:34:15.258-05:00Bernard it was a equal response to yours where you...Bernard it was a equal response to yours where you implied people like me were the mass murderes of the world.<br /><br />Bernard said<br /><br />"it's numpties like the Anonymous on this thread (what threshold level of low intelligence does it require to consistently not understand the utility of a unique identifier?) who are the best argument for gun control.<br /><br />People such as these confuse knowledge and understanding with emotional instincts - the reactions of disgust, xenophobia, Dunning-Kruger effect, paranoia and other mental states that were bred into humans hundreds of thousands of years ago as adaptations for an environment very different to the one we've build for ourselves over the last few millenia.<br /><br />Without the facility for objective rationalisation they are a danger to themselves and to the more intellectually-developed humans in our society - as evidence I tender the facts of mass-murdering, war atrocities, sexual/religious/political/persecution, resource over-extraction, environmental destruction, and the viscerally-ingrained but rationally untenable denial of human-caused climate change."<br /><br /><br />I also noticed you left out my ending sentence of that post that puts my paragraph in context.<br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />"Wow that is fun Bernard, not very productive but fun."<br /><br /><br />If you do not want to get punched in the face don't poke someone in the chest.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3974118396179543522013-02-01T11:33:23.318-05:002013-02-01T11:33:23.318-05:00Killfiled. Not convinced there's a human in th...Killfiled. Not convinced there's a human in the loop on that one.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48996201530366253232013-02-01T03:52:57.644-05:002013-02-01T03:52:57.644-05:00"And people like Bernard J allow mass murdere..."<i>And people like Bernard J allow mass murderes in power such as Hitler, Stalin and Mao as they watch and do nothing while people's rights are removed and a strong central government grows in power.</i>"<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />And by what trainwreck of thought did you arrive at that conclusion? Please be detailed and specific.<br /><br />Once you've done so, I'll counter with evidence that puts the fact of your egregious and libellous error into the light of day.<br /><br />Anonymous prat.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-63822155391007790842013-02-01T03:46:00.760-05:002013-02-01T03:46:00.760-05:00Anon, it's a state report, not a federal repor...Anon, it's a state report, not a federal report, unless you believe that using the DHS definition of an active shooter from the what-to-do guide constitutes using federal "health research funding that might show gun control as reducing violence". As Hank pointed out, the rest of the references in NJ ROIC doc are newspaper reports, so the obvious conclusion would be that the intelligence unit analysed those reports (and others) to build a profile of a typical active shooter.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20643614181109841452013-02-01T00:38:41.310-05:002013-02-01T00:38:41.310-05:00Oh Rattus I am so sorry I left the 9 off the 29. P...Oh Rattus I am so sorry I left the 9 off the 29. Please forgive me me lord I shan't do it again.<br /><br /><br />Hank,<br /><br />I have not been able to find Kellerman? Really? <br /><br />I am not promoting anything and I am sorry that some lackey threw together some facts that are far more valuable and pertinent to gun violence than a flawed study by a scientist. OK a little too much wine for you tonight it is tiring responding to idiocy and incoherence. <br /><br />Oh while you were busy drinking wine, my efforts have improved Brian's article. He has corrected an error. An error that would have remained unnoticed by you and the other Rubbish Run Rodents. See when Brian or John or Eli writes an article or posts a comment you are so busy rushing to agree with them you fail to even perform the most basic assessment of the validity of the facts or conclusions. How can you even pretend to move on to a scientific dicsussion when on such weak footing? You cannot even challenge basic errors in article.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-78161734134494945072013-01-31T22:07:40.252-05:002013-01-31T22:07:40.252-05:00Anon, you're dissing a study you haven't b...Anon, you're dissing a study you haven't been able to find.<br /><br />And you're promoting as "research" that article based on one government study (footnote 1) and other than that, based on newspaper articles (the rest of the footnotes). <br /><br />A summary of newspaper articles.<br /><br />If you're in grade school, summarizing is called "research" -- but it's not. <br /><br />Hard argument in a science discussion requires having read the science. Calling names., comparisons to historical figures-- boring, botlike. Turing would be disappointed.<br /><br /><a href="http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2013/1/29/how-to-share-a-great-discovery.html" rel="nofollow">http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2013/1/29/how-to-share-a-great-discovery.html</a>Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27760322883037025622013-01-31T20:36:38.520-05:002013-01-31T20:36:38.520-05:00Anony, John Jay was the author of Federalist #2. ...Anony, John Jay was the author of Federalist #2. BTW, this quote does not appear in Federalist #2 it is in #29. Do you even read the crap you post?Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39901989595462915582013-01-31T18:00:20.351-05:002013-01-31T18:00:20.351-05:00I am referring to this.
http://info.publicintelli...I am referring to this.<br /><br />http://info.publicintelligence.net/NJROIC-MassShootings.pdf<br /><br /><br />Did you bother to read it?<br /><br />This small document has much more usefull data than the Kellerman study. I am glad I own a home rather than rent one else I or a family member would be 4.4 more times likely to be the victim of a homicide.<br /><br />When are you going to band semi-automatic handguns? Those were used in 28 of the 29 mass shootings, according to this document.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61980884380412241352013-01-31T17:30:18.351-05:002013-01-31T17:30:18.351-05:00Anon, I fail to see how "the weapons used, th...Anon, I fail to see how "the weapons used, the social background, ethnicity, gender, location, relationship to the victims" are relevant to the active shooter manual. Did you even bother to read it?J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-30071893846770480792013-01-31T17:16:05.717-05:002013-01-31T17:16:05.717-05:00Bowers,
Yes because understanding the weapons use...Bowers,<br /><br />Yes because understanding the weapons used, the social background, ethnicity, gender, location, relationship to the victims and so on is just unimportant information when trying to research mass shootings.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36752300511297855832013-01-31T17:15:04.798-05:002013-01-31T17:15:04.798-05:00Someone upthread said I shouldn't have written...Someone upthread said I shouldn't have written "shutting down funding entirely". I miswrote what I intended to write, so I've deleted the word entirely, per the comment request.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58875344309499784742013-01-31T16:44:40.191-05:002013-01-31T16:44:40.191-05:00"So The Department of Homeleand Security work..."So The Department of Homeleand Security working with the State of New Jersey = no Federal effort or $$ into the research of gun violence."<br /><br />Sorry, can you elaborate on how an instruction manual on what to do if a shooter kicks off in your building, and when law enforcement arrives, is research on gun violence? I couldn't find the data and academic citations, only references to active shooter response and workplace safety guidelines.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38541118584248630772013-01-31T15:32:24.199-05:002013-01-31T15:32:24.199-05:00"I prefer Hamilton over you."
He certai..."I prefer Hamilton over you."<br /><br />He certainly allowed Burr to exercise his 2nd amendment rights...<br />dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82528200836632764432013-01-31T14:48:02.001-05:002013-01-31T14:48:02.001-05:00Hank,
I prefer Hamilton over you.
“The project ...Hank,<br /><br />I prefer Hamilton over you.<br /><br /><br />“The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No.2<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72306463470518437272013-01-31T14:42:36.664-05:002013-01-31T14:42:36.664-05:00So The Department of Homeleand Security working wi...So The Department of Homeleand Security working with the State of New Jersey = no Federal effort or $$ into the research of gun violence.<br /><br /><br />Hank,<br /><br />I see you do not understand what the Bill of Rights was for. It was not for government either state or federal, it was a collection of rights for the people.<br /><br />As for this question:<br /><br />"So a one year license to keep and bear -- renewable with what conditions? And if not renewed, what then?"<br /><br />Condition of renewal a nominal fee and a background check. If they fail to renewe then they revert back to every gun purchase requires its own background check.<br /><br /><br />Rattus,<br /><br />I agree with this evaluation.<br /><br />http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html<br /><br /><br />The first thing I noticed with the Kellerman study was it only included homicide of the resident of the home. Also according to this study Renting a home is much more dangerous in those neighborhoods than having a gun.<br /><br />"These percentages indicate Kellermann's study essentially shows that households with guns in the hands of residents having criminal records, illicit drug use, or prior histories of violence, are at a higher risk of experiencing domestic homicides."<br /><br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to read the Kellerman study.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53476251227802830852013-01-31T14:24:56.346-05:002013-01-31T14:24:56.346-05:00BTW Anony, there is a link to a Kellerman paper in...BTW Anony, there is a link to a Kellerman paper in the Deltoid post linked by Eli. I couldn't see anything wildly wrong with it, perhaps you can elaborate?Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77726568473512528982013-01-31T14:03:40.423-05:002013-01-31T14:03:40.423-05:00P.S. -- that NJ thing is a summary and review of ...P.S. -- that NJ thing is a summary and review of newspaper stories, except for the first reference it cites:<br />DHS, Active Shooter: How to Respond, October 2008, http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/active_shooter_booklet.pdf<br /><br />Who is this "DHS" of which you speak?Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86896196512134937812013-01-31T14:01:33.632-05:002013-01-31T14:01:33.632-05:00http://leiu.org/accomplishments/2012/roic
LEIU'...http://leiu.org/accomplishments/2012/roic<br />LEIU's Central Coordinating Agency - 4949 Broadway Sacramento, Ca 95820 leiu@doj.ca.gov<br /><br />Federalism!Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40828305581079511992013-01-31T13:53:27.666-05:002013-01-31T13:53:27.666-05:00"There is continuing research into gun violen..."There is continuing research into gun violence conducted by the Federal Government."<br /><br />Are the New Jersey State Police a federal agency?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.njsp.org/divorg/invest/index.html" rel="nofollow">New Jersey Regional Operations Intelligence Center</a>.<br /><br />ROIC's pronounced "rock", <a href="http://www.njslom.org/ROIC.html" rel="nofollow">by the way.</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.com