tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post689096767380427748..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Kind of Press Release Eli LikesEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73786855457999254162014-09-09T19:21:32.215-04:002014-09-09T19:21:32.215-04:00Note to self: When you see a Nandoism coming up in...Note to self: When you see a Nandoism coming up in comments, just get the facepalm over with and scroll on past.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29898804912043419772014-09-08T18:07:49.834-04:002014-09-08T18:07:49.834-04:00FL: well that was a spectacular own goal.FL: well that was a spectacular own goal.rhwombatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61446578175147753322014-09-08T00:53:51.927-04:002014-09-08T00:53:51.927-04:00Fernando, if you think your Russian sources are so...Fernando, if you think your Russian sources are so much more reliable...ah well, I can't help you anymore.<br /><br />I prefer to go with people who were actually there, uncovering those "non-existing" mass graves, doing the hard work of identifying these people who, according to your sources, apparently were never murdered. US propaganda? Even the *Serbs* were horrified to find, *themselves*, there were indeed several mass graves of Kosovo Albanians on their own home turf. Again, Fernando: the Serbs *themselves* uncovered several mass graves, with a total of well over 1000 bodies.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2226388112255675162014-09-07T19:28:38.262-04:002014-09-07T19:28:38.262-04:00"In 1998 I was living in Russia and had acces..."In 1998 I was living in Russia and had access to Russian sources untainted by USA propaganda."<br /><br />indeed -- given their support for Milošević's regime, i'm sure you had all the Russian propaganda you could eat with a shovel.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51956000620877267992014-09-07T18:57:58.062-04:002014-09-07T18:57:58.062-04:00FL writes: "There was no forced removal of th...FL writes: "There was no forced removal of the Albanian population before the USA declared it was going to bomb."<br /><br />Wrong. This is an old canard that has oft been repeated, but it simply is contradicted by the evidence.<br /><br />More than a year before NATO intervened, Serbian forces engaged in widespread killings of Albanians, destruction of villages, and expulsions of the civilian population. (<a href="http://balkanwitness.glypx.com/npwj-reportkosovo1998.doc" rel="nofollow">Report on Serious Violations of International Humanitarian Law in Kosovo in 1998</a>, No Peace Without Justice (pages 25-49), February 1999)<br /><br />Serbs killed over 1900 Albanians, burned over 40,000 houses and flats, and looted extensively in the year before the NATO intervention ( <a href="http://www.bndlg.de/~wplarre/year1998.htm" rel="nofollow">Report on the violation of human rights and freedoms in Kosova in the course of 1998</a>, Council for The Defence of Human Rights and Freedoms (Prishtina), January 22, 1999).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/news/opendoc.htm?tbl=NEWS&page=home&id=3ae6b80dc" rel="nofollow">460,000 people had been expelled from their towns and villages</a> before the beginning of NATO’s intervention (UNHCR Kosovo Crisis Update, UN High Commissioner for Refugees, March 30, 1999).<br /><br />Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91523307152527307952014-09-07T16:45:26.880-04:002014-09-07T16:45:26.880-04:00FL
And we can also establish that propaganda does...FL<br /><br /><i>And we can also establish that propaganda does work very well to create these garbage realities people inhabit. </i><br /><br />But arguing that the science of physical climatology, including paleoclimatology, is corrupted by 'propaganda' as you have done was and remains false equivalence. A logical fallacy. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16136492271349830382014-09-07T15:55:01.999-04:002014-09-07T15:55:01.999-04:00Marco, let quote the following
"The origina...Marco, let quote the following <br /><br />"The original indictment of Milosevic dealt only with his responsibility for alleged war crimes in Kosovo. But as Laughland points out, the wild claims of mass killing and genocide in Kosovo were not sustainable by evidence, and NATO bombing may have killed as many Kosovo civilians as the Yugoslav army. This accentuated the problem that if the Milosevic indictment was limited to Kosovo it would be hard to justify trying him for Kosovo crimes but not NATO leaders, a point even acknowledged by the ICTY prosecutor. So two years after the first indictment, but after Milosevic’s kidnapping and transfer to The Hague, the indictment was extended to cover Bosnia and Croatia. A bit awkward, given that back in 1995 when Mladic and Karadzic were indicted for crimes in Bosnia, Milosevic was exempted"<br /><br />This was taken from a book review about Travesty, the Trial of Slovodan Milosevic. <br /><br />The book is reviewed in Global Research. <br /><br />In 1998 I was living in Russia and had access to Russian sources untainted by USA propaganda. Later I served as a volunteer working for a group of lawyers who worked for Ramsey Clark. They put together a war criminal indictment against Clinton et al. <br /><br />Milo service was kept on trial by ICTY for many years. And it doesn't surprise me to see that you defend the travesty of justice seen in that case. Once we dig into the whole issue we see the criminal nature of the Clinton and Blair regimes. And we can also establish that propaganda does work very well to create these garbage realities people inhabit. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21745671723351160942014-09-07T13:46:16.110-04:002014-09-07T13:46:16.110-04:00BBD, "Even a committed sceptic of the greenho...BBD, "Even a committed sceptic of the greenhouse effect needs good CO2 data to advance their argument."<br /><br />Ya know BBD, you are right. Mine was a knee jerk reaction to some of her crazy past actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22942076239432021512014-09-07T09:25:08.017-04:002014-09-07T09:25:08.017-04:00A. There was no forced removal of the Albanian pop...A. There was no forced removal of the Albanian population before the USA declared it was going to bomb. <br /><br />B. Albanians were not killed in Kosovo just like in Sbrenica. 6000 people died in Bosnia prior to the Dayton agreements. That wasn't related to Kosovo. Now I want you to explain exactly how many individuals did your bubba find? I ask because neither NATO, the FBI, nor Columbo were able to find mass graves in Kosovo . The bombing was based on a lie. And this is the reason why Slobo wasn't convicted. <br /><br />So you see, your reality is a pack of lies. A matrix. They get you to support immoral wars, buy more weapons, and foam at the mouth like self righteous rabid wolves. And then you sit there and wonder why the priorities are screwed up? Hell you yourselves allow the lies to proliferate. You sit there and applaud war crimes, justify endless killing and then bleat "we bomb for human tights". Aack. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4247373079682012312014-09-07T09:20:01.546-04:002014-09-07T09:20:01.546-04:00Poor Anonytroll@5/9/14 2:36 PM, having actual data...Poor Anonytroll@5/9/14 2:36 PM, having actual data can only inhibit your creativity as you continue to fictionalize the science.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24750210720619353322014-09-07T07:01:46.667-04:002014-09-07T07:01:46.667-04:00FL: My brother did the post mortems on many of the...FL: My brother did the post mortems on many of the Kosovo victims. They were usually shot in the back of the head with their hands bound, just like Srebrenica. I note that you are not merely a denier of climate change. rhwombatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59967176205580422412014-09-07T04:40:10.376-04:002014-09-07T04:40:10.376-04:00Fernando, if we had not done anything in Kosovo, w...Fernando, if we had not done anything in Kosovo, we'd be once again guilty of looking the other way when people were being forcibly removed and killed in Europe. Close to a million refugees in Europe, an absolute disgrace after all the continent has gone through.<br /><br />Civilian deaths are always deplorable, and it is interesting you show no concern whatsoever about the Kosovar civilians killed because, well, because they were Kosovars and not Serbian.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85390223994043791072014-09-07T03:58:28.140-04:002014-09-07T03:58:28.140-04:00Kevin O'Neill, if the NATO membership voted u...Kevin O'Neill, if the NATO membership voted unanimously to bomb Yugoslavia for three months and in the process kill over 600 civilians then it showed NATO members are a collective band of thugs. <br /><br />However, I happen to know most of them were under heavy USA pressure, and never expected the USA and Britain to commit war crimes. They were also deceived by USA and British lies about the supposed ethnic cleansing and mass graves. <br /><br />The Kosovo affair was trumped up, based on lies, and both Clinton and Blair can be considered war criminals. Like I told Fergus most of what we think we know is not real.Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24407847116550963402014-09-05T20:44:51.985-04:002014-09-05T20:44:51.985-04:00@caerbannog
Thank you for that uplifting anecdote...@caerbannog<br /><br />Thank you for that uplifting anecdote.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84741312316908980712014-09-05T18:03:39.527-04:002014-09-05T18:03:39.527-04:00Dear Anon.
Oh, if Wendy Schmidt only knew how gul...Dear Anon.<br /><br /><i>Oh, if Wendy Schmidt only knew how gullible she really was. Too much to expect from a committed leftist(and a hypocritical one to boot)</i><br /><br />Understanding that paleoclimate behaviour demonstrates that physics works doesn't make WS "gullible".<br /><br />Her political inclination is also irrelevant.<br /><br />What gives cause for concern is the defunding of elements of climate monitoring. That is stupid.<br /><br />Even a committed sceptic of the greenhouse effect needs good CO2 data to advance their argument. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24761450686181515322014-09-05T17:36:28.609-04:002014-09-05T17:36:28.609-04:00Oh, if Wendy Schmidt only knew how gullible she re...Oh, if Wendy Schmidt only knew how gullible she really was. Too much to expect from a committed leftist(and a hypocritical one to boot)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28892878073394490812014-09-05T15:06:26.971-04:002014-09-05T15:06:26.971-04:00"
That depends on who you are.
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Not re..."<br />That depends on who you are.<br />"<br /><br />Not really.<br /><br />In case the obvious may have gone unnoticed, we all live on the same planet.<br /><br />Physics does not give a toss whether you are a defense contractor trying to make money, or a politician trying to score votes, or a pacifist socialist activist.<br /><br />The salient fact is that 500 ppmv CO2 will take human stupidity to a whole new level - on a global scale.<br /><br /><br />In the not vary distant future, people will wonder why we were so comfortable with the idea that "policy decisions in the US are not 'always' based on science".<br /><br />The Scripps CO2 Group's important research costs less than the salary of a typical US college football coach. Yet it must rely on the vagarities private funding. But you want to justify the mountains of tax money spent on the absurdities of defense contracting and domestic politics?<br /><br />Please.Jebediah Hypotenusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40946225492323998782014-09-05T13:47:20.763-04:002014-09-05T13:47:20.763-04:00'Now THAT'S stupid."
That depends on...'Now THAT'S stupid."<br /><br />That depends on who you are.<br /><br />If you are a defense contractor who stands to make millions (or even billions) on contracts, it's not stupid at all. or if you are a politician whose re-election campaign and/or investments depend on military contracts, it is also not stupid.<br /><br />in case the obvious may have gone unnoticed: policy decisions in the US are not 'always" based on science and quite often instead based simply on who has the most lobbyists and the most money to give to election campaigns.<br /><br />That's not likely to change any time soon, especially given the corporate interests of both major parties and the current makeup of the SC.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18952447830051897182014-09-05T11:47:55.907-04:002014-09-05T11:47:55.907-04:00Thank you, Jebediah. Thank you, Jebediah. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25506304903690477872014-09-05T09:48:31.530-04:002014-09-05T09:48:31.530-04:00Fernando Leanme said...
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Which brings me bac...Fernando Leanme said...<br />"<br />Which brings me back to the original issue, the country spends a lot of money killing people for stupid reasons.<br />"<br /><br />Actually, the "original issue" is this:<br />"<br />$500K for 5 years is about one NSF grant, and Scripps and Ralph Keeling still deserve the bunnies support. <br />"<br /><br />Whether the money the USA spends killing people is for stupid reasons or not, it makes the amount spent on basic science look trivial by comparison.<br /><br />The USA has spent more than 5.5 trillion $ on nuclear weapons, and still maintains more than 4,800 deployable nukes at a cost of at least 50 billion $ per year (2008 estimate) - but it doesn't seem to have the coins to allow the Scripps Institution of Oceanography to quantify atmospheric CO2.<br /><br />Now THAT'S stupid.<br /><br />AnonymoJebediah Hypotenusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36103586677727434382014-09-05T07:43:29.601-04:002014-09-05T07:43:29.601-04:00Fernando - I'm not in the business of defendin...Fernando - I'm not in the business of defending US foreign policy, but the military action in Kosovo was approved by all the NATO nations and all EU members.<br /><br />Even the UN didn't really complain loudly - <a href="https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/190-issues/38833.html" rel="nofollow">as Kofi Annan said,</a> <br /><br /><i>"...my reaction to the decision of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to take enforcement action without seeking explicit Security Council authorization was twofold: I identified the Security Council as having the primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. With equal emphasis, I also stated that it was the rejection of a political settlement by the Yugoslav authorities which made this action necessary, and that, indeed, there "are times when the use of force may be legitimate in the pursuit of peace".</i><br /><br />Ethnic cleansing will cause that reaction.Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22127843208049917512014-09-05T04:31:44.132-04:002014-09-05T04:31:44.132-04:00Some bits about Ralph Keeling (Charles' son).
...Some bits about Ralph Keeling (Charles' son).<br /><br />Dr. Ralph Keeling is quite the accomplished scientist in his own right -- he developed a technique to measure tiny deltas in atmospheric O2 concentration; he doesn't need to lean on his father's laurels.<br /><br />That being said, a few months ago when I was standing in line to get a seat at the Charles Keeling Memorial Lecture at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography Aquarium, I noticed that Dr. Ralph Keeling was standing right behind me.<br /><br />The event organizer also spotted Dr. Keeling and said to him (paraphrasing here), "This annual lecture is being presented in honor of your father; since you are a Very Important Person here, you don't need to wait in line -- come right up front."<br /><br />Dr Ralph Keeling's reply (again paraphrased): "Every person here is important; I'll just wait in line with everyone else".<br /><br />And that he did. I beat him into the lecture hall.<br /><br />Dr. Ralph Keeling is truly a gentleman and a scholar.caerbannoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896552738444745753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75816746726523950962014-09-05T04:04:22.608-04:002014-09-05T04:04:22.608-04:00Cugelmaus was right, the USA and British bombs wer...Cugelmaus was right, the USA and British bombs were liberally dropped in Belgrade, where they struck strategic targets such as a TV station, a hospital maternity ward, the Chinese embassy....<br /><br />Other bombs obliterated a train and a warehouse full of Albanian refugees, and in one case a US plane dropped cluster bombs on a crowd shopping for vegetables on a Saturday morning. <br /><br />This of course was justified using lies. Typical US foreign policy. Which brings me back to the original issue, the country spends a lot of money killing people for stupid reasons. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3218093840413047942014-09-05T02:46:00.187-04:002014-09-05T02:46:00.187-04:00thank you for both the news and the suggestion. th...thank you for both the news and the suggestion. this truly is good news, though it boggles my mind that it's not getting lots of government funding. But I thought that about Triana, as well.Marion Delgadohttp://www.ihavenourl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12251725471097651682014-09-04T20:58:50.338-04:002014-09-04T20:58:50.338-04:00It was Serbia which got most of the bombing, and i...It was Serbia which got most of the bombing, and it was about time too.Cugelmausnoreply@blogger.com