tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6862439841528492098..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Frontiers - The Amway AnalogyEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32641954918714355962014-04-27T18:38:59.132-04:002014-04-27T18:38:59.132-04:00Well if you want your own final Official copy of R...Well if you want your own final Official copy of RF, the best place is the Frontiers website;<br /><br />http://www.frontiersin.org/Journal/DownloadFile.ashx?pdf=1&FileId=3516&articleId=40138&Version=1&ContentTypeId=21&FileName=fpsyg-04-00073.pdf<br /><br />Between "cherry picking" the expert report and "moving the goal posts" on their human rights research (you know by posting both provisional and final copies which included named individuals, Doh!), perhaps Frontiers is just too busy, after all they also renamed the journal subcategory where RF was originally published.<br /><br />406 consecutive days at Frontiers and counting ...<br /><br />Also see;<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3600613/pdf/fpsyg-04-00073.pdf<br />http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3600613/pdf/fpsyg-04-00073.pdf<br />http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC3600613/pdf/fpsyg-04-00073.pdf<br /><br />:-)<br />EFS_Juniornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82155047991405466652014-04-26T10:12:21.218-04:002014-04-26T10:12:21.218-04:00Dilbert. So you loved failing people in exams.
Wh...Dilbert. So you loved failing people in exams. <br />What a wonderful person you are.<br />Eli, thanks for your comment at Lucia's, interesting perspective.<br />Amway is a little different to Frontiers, none of my or your family and friends were or are Frontiers editors.<br />Shub, you are on a winner, you are getting gold class invective here . Obviously no one here respects fellow human beings except Eli who did try to tone things down.<br />One can only imagine their wives and kiddies reading their words and treating their classmates the same way. <br />Class is priceless guys. AngechAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1966350614796237832014-04-24T18:37:04.684-04:002014-04-24T18:37:04.684-04:00It's unbelievable shubby.
All those billions g...It's unbelievable shubby.<br />All those <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/climate-change-countermovement-funded-dark-money-conservative-donors-spend-billions-derail-1518282" rel="nofollow">billions going begging</a><br />and they can't see fit to steer a piddling some of it to your pissy little (free wordpress) denial repeater blog.<br />It's almost as if they have as little respect for hanger-on leeches as the rest of us.chekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09076463055055404580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37996562936155610522014-04-24T17:38:38.227-04:002014-04-24T17:38:38.227-04:00> When two people have a conversation [...]
Lo...> When two people have a conversation [...]<br /><br />Love your metaphor, Shub.<br /><br />Please remind me what you consider to be a conversation in the actual story you're peddling in Eli's comment about the Amway structure of a scientific publication.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36024198953123723482014-04-24T15:53:02.863-04:002014-04-24T15:53:02.863-04:00Kevin - "psychoanalysis is not part of Recurs...Kevin - "psychoanalysis is not part of Recursive Fury. Therefor any criticism of the paper based on the ethics of performing psychoanalysis without consent is wholly without merit. "<br /><br />Absolutely. I agree with you 100%.<br /><br />Lots of people don't have much respect for medical doctors. Maybe it is the empiricism. Not having a lot of respect for doctors is a healthy sign.<br /><br />Secondively*, if you wanted a doctor for yourself or a vet for your dog, it would be better if they were someone who respected your privacy, i.e., someone who will fight for your corner. Not someone who would hear your complaints and then pass it around at the grocer's.<br /><br />willard, <br />Clearly, you have some bones to pick. Why don't you post comments in the relevant threads? Not now obviously but at the time when the issue is current and the questions occur to you. <br /><br />Your "The "You Made Me Do It" game is an important move in transactional analysis" bit was good. But in the case of Lewandowsky, we are dealing with matters at a much more mundane level. When two people have a conversation, each speaks roughly after the other, in connection with what's said by the other. Each makes the other 'do it'.<br /><br />If you want something from someone, they control the conversation. Women know this and use this to great effect. In the end however, such games get old. The vehemence or persistence in your asking for it has little relevance to what's being asked for.<br /><br />Lewandowsky's logic goes like this: "These 'deniers' assumed I would not have gotten ethics clearance. Look at them, how they openly and loudly wonder that I, a professor at an academic institution, would not have such a basic thing as ethics clearance, when there is no reason for them to believe so. This pervasive suspicion makes them conspiratorial."<br /><br />But, it turns out, he actually did not subject his studies to a formal ethics board review. <br /><br />The same goes for his other conspiratorialisms. In each instance, it turned out the authors were only covering their deficiencies by calling their questioners 'conspiratorial'. <br /><br />Have fun.shubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82783929523423967912014-04-24T12:29:53.590-04:002014-04-24T12:29:53.590-04:00Bunnies know, that this is wandering far from the ...Bunnies know, that this is wandering far from the original post, the duplicity of Frontiers and how noble Lagomorphia will rescue those innocent naive scientific types from their blind devotion to CVism.<br /><br />Just sayin'<br /><br />EliEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59623170746531103522014-04-24T12:00:46.913-04:002014-04-24T12:00:46.913-04:00Let's hope Shub does not feel hurt for having ...Let's hope Shub does not feel hurt for having been excluded by Lucia from "everyone else".<br /><br />Shub is not alone, though. Our beloved Bishop has also been excluded. Again, vintage Nov 8, 2013<br /><br />> It's lucrative, this academic misconduct business.<br /><br />http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/11/8/lewcrative.htmlwillardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25228840699679292422014-04-24T11:28:59.114-04:002014-04-24T11:28:59.114-04:00Meanwhile, november 2013 was calm at Lucia's. ...Meanwhile, november 2013 was calm at Lucia's. Vintage 7 November, 2013 (12:43):<br /><br />> With that title, I bet you think I’m going to comment on Mann or Lewandowsky. After all, everyone else has (judy, ben, briggs, warren and so on.) But wrong-o!<br /><br />http://rankexploits.com/musings/2013/what-constitutes-a-war-on-science/<br /><br />Here's the network of <i>everyone else</i>:<br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2013/11/06/a-subterranean-war-on-science/<br /><br />http://www.climate-resistance.org/2013/11/what-is-science.html<br /><br />http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=9800<br /><br />http://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/makingsciencepublic/2013/11/03/the-subterranean-war-on-science-a-comment/<br /><br />Bunnies may appreciate that Lucia's editorial is classified under <b>Politics</b>.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36622451001521644982014-04-24T11:03:28.714-04:002014-04-24T11:03:28.714-04:00In the comment thread of the blog post entitled Mo...In the comment thread of the blog post entitled <b>More False Claims from Lewandowsky</b> (ergo all that Lew says is false), the discussion meanders a bit about JFK's assassination and some WMO report:<br /><br />> Brandon, if you have time, try looking at the 150,000 deaths due to climate change, cited in the latest Lewandowsky tirade. It goes to Patz 2005 and then to a 2002 World Health Organization report. The numbers in the appendix seem to appear out of thin air. It would be worthwhile asking the authors how they got them.<br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/07/more-false-claims-from-lewandowsky/#comment-446884<br /><br />Bunnies should wonder if Brandon got the memo. In any case, it seems that Jonathan Jones' darling got there first:<br /><br />> I’ve also tried several times to look into this figure.<br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/07/more-false-claims-from-lewandowsky/#comment-446974<br /><br />***<br /><br />The Auditor took some numbers and made a table, accompanied by probable promise:<br /><br />> I’ll probably start a separate post on this.<br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/07/more-false-claims-from-lewandowsky/#comment-447020<br /><br />Did the promise materialize?<br /><br />Probably.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84948877303627469282014-04-24T10:55:52.456-04:002014-04-24T10:55:52.456-04:00Interestingly, Brandon's first comment in the ...Interestingly, Brandon's first comment in the above thread links to this other, vintage Nov 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM:<br /><br />> I feel weird. I had contacted Michael Wood about two weeks ago [...]<br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/07/more-false-claims-from-lewandowsky/#comment-446862<br /><br />So Barry's question has been answered two days before he asked it, at least the part about contacting Michael Wood.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75386619473831149552014-04-24T10:51:10.476-04:002014-04-24T10:51:10.476-04:00Scratching my own itch, I found evidence that Bran...Scratching my own itch, I found evidence that Brandon tried to pull Michael Wood's leg. It did not work much. Here's Brandon's conclusion, vintage Nov 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM:<br /><br /><i>People defending work will often <b>take anything they can portray as error as proof your criticisms are wrong</b>. It doesn’t matter if you make an error or not. It doesn’t matter if the (supposed) error affects your argument or not. Unless you write without including anything that could possibly be taken as mistaken, they can misunderstand and misrepresent your arguments.</i><br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/13/another-absurd-lewandowsky-correlation/#comment-449400<br /><br />Incidentally, the Auditor approved this conclusion.<br /><br />Bunnies overheard the emphasized bit on <b>Climate Audit</b>willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33037743637087344152014-04-24T08:51:12.503-04:002014-04-24T08:51:12.503-04:00NONONO the rules of Climateball require that Dr. S...NONONO the rules of Climateball require that Dr. Shub be handed the Lew's personal copy of the supplementary materials together with a certificate of authenticity signed by the vice chancellor and Lord Monckton. Otherwise how could Shub be sure it was real.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27339276642947509422014-04-24T08:21:35.698-04:002014-04-24T08:21:35.698-04:00EFS_Junior, locating the original data sheet (i.e....EFS_Junior, locating the original data sheet (i.e. the long lost supplementary materials) was a great find! Many thanks. Now I can finally try to replicate the results of RF... or not. You'd need the necessary qualifications in cognitive psychology to do that, wouldn't you? Aw shucks.<br /><br />But hey, I'm sure the DK-challenged ACC deniers will be able to do it. They always know better than the scientists /snarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68307869440193750112014-04-23T22:56:43.559-04:002014-04-23T22:56:43.559-04:00Vintage 2014-04-02:
> It would be interesting ...Vintage 2014-04-02:<br /><br />> It would be interesting to see if the scab-picking stops here.<br /><br />http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/frontiers-and-lewandowsky-the-scab-picking-begins-anew/<br /><br />Does scab-picking hurt?willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2922255850943591542014-04-23T22:48:23.755-04:002014-04-23T22:48:23.755-04:00An interesting question was asked November 9, 201...An interesting question was asked November 9, 2013 at 10:00:<br /><br />> Steve – have you asked Woods to participate in the discussion here?<br /><br />http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/3758/#comment-9142<br /><br />No answer to date at Shub's.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15086339524725349532014-04-23T22:25:47.410-04:002014-04-23T22:25:47.410-04:00Bunnies might appreciate the timestamp of Shub'...Bunnies might appreciate the timestamp of Shub's first comment here: 18/4/14 12:16 PM.<br /><br />Notice this other comment, vintage April 16th, 2014 at 8:12 am:<br /><br />> There is more to come. Please wait.<br /><br />http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/fury-authors-interactions-with-participants-john-cook/#comment-128757<br /><br />There are other comments at:<br /><br />April 17th, 2014 at 7:26 am<br />April 17th, 2014 at 1:49 pm<br /><br />An interesting post:<br /><br />http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2014/04/22/shub-niggurath-climate-a-request-to-readers/<br /><br />A begging MD.<br />willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36680753376387307152014-04-23T21:48:33.802-04:002014-04-23T21:48:33.802-04:00Oh,
Also, the provisional RF Data Sheet is also s...Oh,<br /><br />Also, the provisional RF Data Sheet is also still available at Frontiers;<br /><br />http://www.frontiersin.org/Journal/DownloadFile.ashx?sup=1&articleId=40138&FileId=2676&FileName=Data Sheet 1.PDF&contentType=Data Sheet&contentTypeId=6&version=1<br /><br />447 consecutive days and counting ...<br /><br />EFS_Juniornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48870632776953549972014-04-23T21:17:51.994-04:002014-04-23T21:17:51.994-04:00shub - psychoanalysis is not part of Recursive Fur...shub - psychoanalysis is not part of Recursive Fury. Therefor any criticism of the paper based on the ethics of performing psychoanalysis without consent is wholly without merit. Likewise, trying to use "psychological analysis/profiling" is similarly moot. Psychological analysis is just another name for psychoanalysis. Psychological profiling is used almost exclusively in criminology (i.e., it's not applicable either). The fact you can't even identify what's actually taking place in the paper is telling.<br /><br />If you had read the paper, you would have seen the term 'descriptive discourse analysis' -- try that on and hit the reset button.<br /><br />I'm still amused that you believe Lyme disease and cervical cancer (and everything else on the CDC list) aren't actually diseases. I've always referred half-jokingly to most of my doctors as 'family vets' - as in veterinarians with the subtext they shouldn't be allowed to treat people. But I wouldn't let someone with your beliefs treat my dog. I do not mean this in a rhetorical or hyperbolic manner; simply a factual statement. I like my dog and would not let her be treated by someone with such a complete disregard for the science of medicine. Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23594641518772818362014-04-23T20:54:57.036-04:002014-04-23T20:54:57.036-04:00I've Got a Secret
http://www.zora.uzh.ch/7708...I've Got a Secret<br /><br />http://www.zora.uzh.ch/77086/<br />http://www.zora.uzh.ch/77086/1/Lewandowsky_2013_Recursive_Fury.pdf<br /><br />http://www.frontiersin.org/Journal/DownloadFile.ashx?pdf=1&FileId=2918&articleId=40138&Version=1&ContentTypeId=58&FileName=Provisional%20PDF.pdf<br /><br />So, it would appear that, the provisional copy of RF has been on the Frontiers website for 447 consecutive days and counting ...EFS_Juniornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65287033514285520962014-04-23T19:59:22.271-04:002014-04-23T19:59:22.271-04:00> Yes, literally. Lew et al made them do it.
N...> Yes, literally. Lew et al made them do it.<br /><br />No, Shub, nobody makes contrarians do what they do. They are free agents. Most of them are freedom fighters anyway.<br /><br />Please don't conflate epistemology (i.e. bias) with ethics (i.e. right). The "You Made Me Do It" game is an important move in transactional analysis.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Besides, what did Lew do that made contrarians do what they did, Shub? And what did the contrarians do in response?<br /><br />Be specific. Show me you read Lew instead of gerrymandering your case with gracious arm waves.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> He's lucky he's not registered anywhere [...]<br /><br />Show bunnies your registration, Shub.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84649798803976703422014-04-23T19:01:22.593-04:002014-04-23T19:01:22.593-04:00Shub, when you grow up you will learn that if you ...Shub, when you grow up you will learn that if you consistently hector people, answering your demands does not become their first priority just because you think it should beEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54908794671219812112014-04-23T17:24:41.824-04:002014-04-23T17:24:41.824-04:00willard, you say: "Lew & al made the Shub...willard, you say: "Lew & al made the Shub and the contrarians do it."<br /><br />Yes, literally. Lew et al made them do it.<br /><br />Lew first did not provide information about the blogs who were requested to host his survey. He then wrote a post as though he released their names and apparently back-dated it. He said he surveyed Skepticalscience when he can show no proof that he did. He can show no proof the Fury paper was subjected to a university ethics panel review.<br /><br />He interpreted people and their comments asking about these aspects of his work as 'conspiratorial'.<br /><br />I can understand the stupid people who don't belong in the climate debate fall for Lewandowsky's innocent tales. Not someone who's participating discussion threads in climate blogs on this specific issue.<br /><br />W.r.t to 'psychologic-analysis' thing. It's funny. The name of the Freud-pioneered system is psychoanalysis. You might want to think this is what I am implying as a un-allowed thing to be carried out on people without consent. Unfortunately, I do not have the need to artificially strengthen my case doing so. It does not have to be a formalized quasi-medical practice perpetrated on research subjects for your actions as a researcher to fall afoul of ethical norms. Any psychologic analysis/profiling/ of humans as research subjects is unethical without consent or debriefing when you identify them by name in your paper.<br /><br />Again, these issues do not enter our consideration because of researcher conflict, which renders Lewandowsky's actions problematic. He's lucky he's not registered anywhere to be doing anything useful (as opposed to academic).<br /><br />Mal-<br />"Shub's constructed an entire straw man from the brief glimpse of my life he got earlier in the thread. "<br /><br />Ha Ha Ha Ha!! :) :) LOL!<br /><br />That does bother you doesn't it? You don't see the irony yet? ;)<br /><br />shubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29401666738497818062014-04-23T12:55:38.560-04:002014-04-23T12:55:38.560-04:00Hmm, so Shub lacks the gust to honestly face both ...Hmm, so Shub lacks the gust to honestly face both climate science and evolutionary biology, and insists on running away from the reality of the recursive fury paper?<br />COlour me surprised, as the americans say. guthrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88588549066675747652014-04-23T12:00:24.108-04:002014-04-23T12:00:24.108-04:00Wow! "The problem is you have no exposure to ...Wow! "The problem is you have no exposure to issues like this, seeing as the closest you would come to living things in your line of work are fossils. Nor are you willing to place yourself in the situation you see the 'deniers' placed, in the 'paper'."<br /><br />Shub's constructed an entire straw man from the brief glimpse of my life he got earlier in the thread. And he's made it even clearer that he thinks the purpose of Science is to make him feel good. <br /><br />How much more rope does he need to hang himself?Mal Adaptedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123525780458234978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2524457912750023712014-04-23T11:00:15.663-04:002014-04-23T11:00:15.663-04:00Bunnies might also notice how "analysing publ...Bunnies might also notice how "analysing public comments on various blogs to show the tendency for climate change contrarians, *as a group*, to be more prone to conspiracy ideation than people who accept the science" has (not so silently!) morphed into "psycho-analysing *individuals* according to DSM-IV or V classified psychological disorders without obtaining prior consent from those individuals".<br /><br />Because without that cognitive juggling act, they can't justify to themselves the big stink they have been making over LOG12 and Recursive Fury for the past 18 months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com