tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post647447663966863993..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Sue the Bastards!EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11698442869478953082012-10-27T21:49:17.075-04:002012-10-27T21:49:17.075-04:00The Hy-Brazil post was me.
And ain't it quain...The <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2012/10/sue-bastards.html?showComment=1351387708057#c5149130161974888875" rel="nofollow">Hy-Brazil post</a> was me.<br /><br />And ain't it quaint to see a Hy-Denialist post immediately after with his own sing-song?<br /><br /><br />Bernard J. Hyphen-Anonymous XVII, Esq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80995718845525062552012-10-27T21:34:09.991-04:002012-10-27T21:34:09.991-04:00"2. Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose res..."2. Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. Along with other researchers, he was one of the first to document the steadt rise in surface temperatures during the 20th Century and the steep increase in measured temperatures since the 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace prize."<br /><br />http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-mann-complaint.pdf<br /><br /><br />No mention of the IPCC. No mention that he contributed to an organization that was awarded the prize. He kust claims he and others were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.<br /><br />They were not.<br /><br /><br />How all of you dance around this clearly reflects on your lack of integrity.<br /><br />Since this false statement is in his legal brief, it will come up during any and all proceedings. You think some of you might be concerned about that. They will seek to impeach his credibility from day 1 and you geniuses do not see that. The Flavor Aid is strong in you.<br /><br /><br />Glad to see Bowers mad and swearing, brought a smile to my face, thanks J!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51491301619748888752012-10-27T21:28:28.057-04:002012-10-27T21:28:28.057-04:00Humans are warming the planet.
Michael Mann produ...Humans are warming the planet.<br /><br />Michael Mann produced a graph that reflects this.<br /><br />What more can one say?<br /><br />There remains only this observation about the Moranos, Moncktons and Watts of the world:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IBnfkcrsM" rel="nofollow">Hy-Brazil is sinking</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3086399971973093292012-10-27T19:45:55.154-04:002012-10-27T19:45:55.154-04:00I can also attest to the fact that there are 600+ ...I can also attest to the fact that there are 600+ comments over on WTFIUWT discussing the various subtleties and nuances (NOT) concerning whether or not Michael E. Mann is indeed a Nobel Peace Prize recipient. I know this, because for some reason known only to me, I bothered to read them all (well, TBH, I skimmed through a few of the tl;dr ones). And also the ones that were batshit crazy, which comprised some 23% of the total, by my reckoning.<br /><br />And after that exercise, I can say without equivocation that... mankind is screwed. That is all. For the moment.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85248875806176520302012-10-27T17:38:50.785-04:002012-10-27T17:38:50.785-04:00And, lest the point get lost, Mann isn't suing...And, lest the point get lost, Mann isn't suing people over their comments about the Nobel.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11656808872490959122012-10-27T17:09:54.987-04:002012-10-27T17:09:54.987-04:00*sigh* Is there aznything sadder than the distract...*sigh* Is there aznything sadder than the distractosphere in full, self-righteous flight about things at a level they'll never undrestand, or be invited to?<br /><br />The IPCC (an office) awarded certificates to the lead authors acknowledging their contributions to winning the Nobel.<br /><br /><i>Independent: As someone who has spent a major portion of his professional career researching climate change and advocating for societal change, what does winning a share of the Nobel Peace Prize mean for you personally?</i> <br /><br /><i>Running: There was of course a fair bit of buzz that Al Gore might get it. We were really just rooting for Al Gore to get it. That’s why we were all completely stunned Friday when the news started coming up that Al Gore and the IPCC committee had won the prize.</i> <br /><br /><i>It didn’t sink in for us as individual authors until around 9 a.m. when I got an e-mail from the IPCC head office in Geneva, Switzerland saying, and I quote, “This makes each of you a Nobel laureate.” And that’s when I started going, “Whoa. Wait a minute here.”</i><br /> <br /><i>Indy: What did it feel like to read those words from the IPCC office?</i><br /> <br /><i>Running: Well, because this is a shared prize among 600 of us, I’ve kind of continued to oscillate back and forth between a thought that this is all almost kind of a funny game on the one hand, and on the other hand thinking quite profoundly that this is… I read in the last day or two that the Nobel Peace Prize is considered the biggest prize on earth about anything. You start thinking about that and start thinking even one six-hundredth of the biggest prize on earth is just…well, you’re left really speechless. It’s hard to have that sink in.</i><br /><br />http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/a-nobel-cause/Content?oid=1139384<br /><br />Really, if this cracker-barrel level flak is the best they can do, the deniers had best tell their backers to dig out the chequebooks with the pre-printed zeroes an book all the front pages they can for a grovelling and self-abasing apology to Dr. Mann.chekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09076463055055404580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20026864037135994082012-10-27T17:03:30.608-04:002012-10-27T17:03:30.608-04:00Anonymous denier, above: "Mike Mann claims to...Anonymous denier, above: "Mike Mann claims to have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize".<br /><br />From Mann's <a href="http://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/437351706321037" rel="nofollow">facebook post announcing the lawsuit</a>: 'Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. In 2007, along with Vice President Al Gore and his colleagues of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for having "created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming."'<br /><br />If Mann's wording is read in full, it's clear he's merely including himself among the group that was awarded the prize. Anonymous denier is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context" rel="nofollow">quote-mining</a>. That's crystal-clear to the rest of us, but anonymous keeps clinging to his rhetorical straw. Does he think that if he can just score a point with this, AGW won't happen? It's too bad all deniers aren't so transparently desperate as he is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75253068304631632962012-10-27T16:31:02.322-04:002012-10-27T16:31:02.322-04:00I couldn't give a flying fuck. If it's the...I couldn't give a flying fuck. If it's the bet you've got then the defendants need to offer to settle pronto.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39838736869451773632012-10-27T15:20:37.800-04:002012-10-27T15:20:37.800-04:00@Bowers,
But Michael Mann claims to have been awa...@Bowers,<br /><br />But Michael Mann claims to have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.<br /><br />I am sure you are concerned about that, not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37264613270552120902012-10-27T13:02:56.868-04:002012-10-27T13:02:56.868-04:00I didn't swear he had a Nobel Peace Prize; he ...I didn't swear he had a Nobel Peace Prize; he contributed to one. Anon has no integrity. Anon is a sad hypocrite dwelling under a bridge. Anon doesn't understand the legal game being played.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3569375311915178822012-10-27T01:17:41.454-04:002012-10-27T01:17:41.454-04:00At least the anon has integrity, you not so much.At least the anon has integrity, you not so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57931237649201385862012-10-26T23:35:41.054-04:002012-10-26T23:35:41.054-04:00There certainly is a nut anonymouse loose here in ...There certainly is a nut anonymouse loose here in the Rabett hutch.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-60739939052614059662012-10-26T22:57:01.913-04:002012-10-26T22:57:01.913-04:00@D Benson,
No. Mashey is Mr detective finding the...@D Benson,<br /><br />No. Mashey is Mr detective finding the truth and showing where people have been less than honest. Yet when Jimm, uh I mean Mike Mann claims to have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, well he forgets all about his integrity.<br /><br />Same with everyone else here.<br /><br /><br />Y'all have no credibility in anything you claim. If you were a witness in a courtroom this one item would taint all your testimony, and rightfully so.<br /><br /><br />Enjoy the Flavor Aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65454429018816089192012-10-26T22:53:50.985-04:002012-10-26T22:53:50.985-04:00And then... Mashey could not find his integrity. A...And then... Mashey could not find his integrity. All the Rabett lemmings circled around their modern day Jim Jones and protected him and swore that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 because Jim Jones said so and he had a piece of cardboard not saying what he was claiming but the faithful did not care.<br /><br />They all broke out in a chant and mixed their Flavor Aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21939356507760025282012-10-26T22:52:08.509-04:002012-10-26T22:52:08.509-04:00David B. Benson said on 26/10/12 at 7:36 PM...
&q...David B. Benson said on 26/10/12 at 7:36 PM...<br /><br />"<i>Several useful comments earlier on this thread.<br /><br />And then...</i><br /><br />It seems that the WWWTians can't resist a bone(r).<br /><br />And the anonymous above with a hate-on for John Mashey - is that Ed Wegman perchance, or at least or one of his allies...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52221770311682285312012-10-26T22:36:59.999-04:002012-10-26T22:36:59.999-04:00Several useful comments earlier on this thread.
A...Several useful comments earlier on this thread.<br /><br />And then...David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83741574020973164872012-10-26T19:57:13.468-04:002012-10-26T19:57:13.468-04:00"It may be one paper but it is about the most...<i>"It may be one paper but it is about the most important aspect of global warming, manmade or naturally caused?"</i><br /><br />Er...if I'm not badly mistaken (a) not really and (b) your implication does not follow. <br /><br />The one paper in question is primarily <b>about</b> doing a hemispherical historical temperature reconstruction - which had not been done before. One could certainly choose to take Mann's reconstruction on board when seeking to determine - not the false binary dichotomy you posit, but the real question - how much warming is due to anthropogenic activities?<br /> <br />But one can also answer that question without using Mann's paper...so it just isn't the linchpin without which the conclusion of significant anthropogenic influence will fall. In other words you had already undermined your argument when you said "It may be one paper..." and failed to take into account the rest of the evidence.<br /><br /><i>"And Mann's paper made the medieval warm period cooler than present day temperatures so he could say that man has influenced the temperature."</i><br /><br />Er, no. That's almost certainly libellous - unless there's an exception for the scientifically illiterate. <br /><br />There <b>were no previous</b> hemispherical scale temperature reconstructions over several centuries so you can't claim by comparison to earlier work that he biased "the MWP" cooler - or warmer - than the data shows. Prior to Mann's paper the concept of "the MWP" (as a hemispherical or global scale synchronous event) was a hypothesis with very little to no supporting evidence. The pre-Mann graph from McIntyre is so exercised about on the theory that it shows an MWP that Mann deliberately sought to erase is based on very localised data - from Central England. One locale does not a hemisphere make.<br /><br />That leaves you arguing (a) that his conclusions are not supported by the data available at the time AND that (b) he deliberately made it so when he knew or should have known better. Given that those conclusions are consistent with a dozen or more subsequent reconstructions - many using entirely different data sets - you're pushing water uphill with your bare hands on that one. (But I bet that won't stop you - or McIntyre - trying.)<br /><br /><i>"If the present day isn't as warm as the medieval warm period, natural forces overpower manmade forces."</i><br /><br />Sigh. Your conclusion does not follow. (If the MWP was warmer than today, that adds more weight to the case that climate sensitivity is on the higher end which merely increases the case for concern. And a small long term unidirectional forcing will ALWAYS eventually outweigh even much larger forces that tend, on average, to have very little long term trend.)<br /><br />I guess it shouldn't be surprising that someone who is happy to parade their horrible misunderstanding of evolution in public is also happy to do the same with their horrible misunderstanding of basic climate science.Lotharssonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80188310267404729682012-10-26T17:36:46.069-04:002012-10-26T17:36:46.069-04:00@Chek
Was Mann awarded the nobel Peace Prize?@Chek<br /><br />Was Mann awarded the nobel Peace Prize?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1421471696436388362012-10-26T17:09:27.899-04:002012-10-26T17:09:27.899-04:00Dr. Lumpus Spookytooth, phd.
I do want to take th...Dr. Lumpus Spookytooth, phd.<br /><br />I do want to take the time and thank Brian and Eli (do not know other person, if it's Mashey he get a thanks too) for allowing me to comment here. Even though we are worlds apart on our beliefs, I respect that they allow dissenting opinions. If Watts has indeed blocked Eli, that's bad form. And I'm sure he has, Eli has no reason to make that up.<br /><br />And frankly I do not think any of us are happy with the current state of politics and science...if the presidential ticket were Romney, Obama and Hilary, I would vote for Hilary in a second. She and Bill are very experienced and they know how to get things done. I think Obama takes a more hands off approach, not that that's wrong or a bad thing but I think he should have taken a more active role in writing the new health law, for example. The controlling party in congress just write bills loaded with things they want and the other side is expected to follow suit to gain 1 or 2 policies that they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75368343181617463842012-10-26T17:04:39.444-04:002012-10-26T17:04:39.444-04:00Dr. Lumpus Spookytooth, phd.
+10 points to Mr. Wa...Dr. Lumpus Spookytooth, phd.<br /><br />+10 points to Mr. Watts for fair and accurate reporting!<br />3) The text underneath the diploma is entirely his own. We issued only the diploma to the IPCC as such. No individuals on the IPCC side received anything in 2007.<br /> <br />(NOTE: on point 3, another example here (PDF) suggests that the IPCC added that text, not Mann – Anthony)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14882555662389389782012-10-26T16:49:47.529-04:002012-10-26T16:49:47.529-04:00"Jeez you guys would lay down in a mud puddle..."Jeez you guys would lay down in a mud puddle for this guy to walk across"<br /><br />Translation: "I've been given my talking point and until I'm told otherwise...."chekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09076463055055404580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65494425826942735292012-10-26T16:41:22.291-04:002012-10-26T16:41:22.291-04:00Lump,
Mann's paper isn't an important one...Lump,<br /><br />Mann's paper isn't an important one in the science. Dendrochronology and temperature reconstructions are a minor part of climate science. Besides, there are (at least) 2 Mann papers on the subject, and many others by other scientists. All confirm the anomalous nature of late 20th century warming.<br /><br />The denialist machine zeroed in on Mann because his work was once the subject of glossy-covered magazines and became embarrassing as a PR issue for denialists. Not as a scientific issue. Remember that AGW was discovered in the 19th century without any historical record to examine.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11236158343215209792012-10-26T16:40:41.918-04:002012-10-26T16:40:41.918-04:00@Former Skeptic,
Try Paragraph 2. After you take ...@Former Skeptic,<br /><br />Try Paragraph 2. After you take reading, reading comprehension, honesty and integrity in public discussion, basic honesty 101, and know what the F you are talking about before you pound your chest courses.<br /><br />Man was not Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize with his colleagues at the IPCC. Al Gore and the IPCC Organization were awarded the prize.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jeez you guys would lay down in a mud puddle for this guy to walk across. I have not seen this type of cover your "betters" since I saw news program about Jonestown.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85621389047362239732012-10-26T15:16:24.116-04:002012-10-26T15:16:24.116-04:00FFS, anon, no wonder why you didn't link to Ma...FFS, anon, no wonder why you didn't link to Mann's press release. The press release says:<br /><br />'Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. <i>In 2007, along with Vice President Al Gore and his colleagues of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change</i>, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for having "created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming."'<br /><br />Mann didn't say he had sole ownership of the award which is what you and Morano are trying so hard - and failing miserably - to claim. He is well within his right, as a lead author in the IPCC, to say that he was an important part in contributing to the NPP award to the IPCC. <br /><br />Besides, the press release is not the critical document. More importantly, the lawsuit - from the link you kindly posted - has this to say in para 17: <br /><br />'The work of Dr, Mann and the IPCC has received considerable accolades within the scientific community, In 2007, Dr. Mann <i>shared the Nobel Peace Prize with the other IPCC authors for their work</i>, including the development of the Hockey Stick Graph."<br /><br />Not awarded, as you stated earlier in your <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2012/10/sue-bastards.html?showComment=1351272219251#c6271659340868992" rel="nofollow">posts</a>, but shared. Guess you didn't even read the lawsuit now, did you?<br /><br />You just got busted, big time. Now shoo off back in the sandbox and let the adults talk.Former Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27702514774497498352012-10-26T14:21:07.767-04:002012-10-26T14:21:07.767-04:00If the best denialists can do is bitch over the No...If the best denialists can do is bitch over the Nobel Prize wording, the defendants need to break their piggy banks to see how much they can afford to offer as settlement. They're making the same mistake as they do with the Hockey Stick.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.com