tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6473294905164476215..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Krugman on ClimateEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48567664659951573872016-12-18T01:03:58.648-05:002016-12-18T01:03:58.648-05:00The other CRUCIAL issue for me is I immediately we...The other CRUCIAL issue for me is I immediately welcome back anyone that returns to sanity, and no matter how much ridicule I might pile on in a particilar issue if they are reasonable or correct on another issue I happily give them<br />Credittonylearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15168161576867493109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66581635060550023522015-03-04T15:48:57.027-05:002015-03-04T15:48:57.027-05:00I've never believed in the sincerity of climat...I've never believed in the sincerity of climate deniers or freshwater economists. Even allowing for the difference between sincerity and authenticity. (Sincerity is a goober's virtue.) There's too much evidence that both are willing tools. Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51989612382357854492015-03-03T23:44:48.505-05:002015-03-03T23:44:48.505-05:00Victor fears that when people become less polite t...Victor fears that when people become less polite to people some bunnies do not see as scientists, also the atmosphere changes for the scientists that these bunnies do see as scientists.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33913594616999140072015-03-03T22:11:40.784-05:002015-03-03T22:11:40.784-05:00Eli fears Victor defines the scientific community ...Eli fears Victor defines the scientific community rather overbroadlyEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-46849240044428087432015-03-03T21:00:05.417-05:002015-03-03T21:00:05.417-05:00Victor fears that the rabbit misses the aspect tha...Victor fears that the rabbit misses the aspect that even if this strategy works in the public "debate", it would not be good for the scientific community. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86688105055668075402015-03-03T20:23:44.148-05:002015-03-03T20:23:44.148-05:00Eli fears Victor misses the point that, as Krugman...Eli fears Victor misses the point that, as Krugman points out, there are scientists feeding pap to the churnalists. Thodr are exactly the ones that need to be mocked.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69255950855137419582015-03-03T15:48:59.502-05:002015-03-03T15:48:59.502-05:00Fernando wrote:
"The Daily Mail , a British n...Fernando wrote:<br />"The Daily Mail , a British newspaper described her ideas as follows: “The professor….argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour""<br /><br />The Daily Mail is full of sh*t in this instance, as so often in others. Yet you believe it.StevenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08457350132948312910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64516915271517910772015-03-02T20:02:15.494-05:002015-03-02T20:02:15.494-05:00Fernando: From the press release that started it a...Fernando: From the press release that started it all, the reply to your essay: <i>"This kind of cultural resistance to very significant social threat is something that we would expect in any society facing a massive threat," she said.</i> http://uonews.uoregon.edu/archive/news-release/2012/3/simultaneous-action-needed-break-cultural-inertia-climate-change-respons<br /><br />(I don't think it was such a massive threat until 1-2 decades ago. The denial made it one. Societies can commit suicide.)Florifulguratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18308710335606861438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7817975015410945652015-03-02T18:10:21.711-05:002015-03-02T18:10:21.711-05:00Florifulgurator, here's a quote from my essay ...Florifulgurator, here's a quote from my essay about the subject: <br /><br />I also found professors who think I must be treated kindly because I´m a bit crazy. For example, Kari Marie Norgaard (professor of sociology and environmental studies at the University of Oregon):<br /><br />"People are individually and collectively habituated to the ways we act and think. This habituation must be recognized and simultaneously addressed at the individual, cultural and societal level — how we think the world works and how we think it should work."<br /><br />What does this bullshit mean? She thinks I´m “habituated” to the ways I act and think, and that my problem must be recognized and addressed. She may not consider the idea that I consider she´s the one who is crazy, but I´m not proposing “treatment to change how she thinks and how things should work”.<br /><br />The Daily Mail , a British newspaper described her ideas as follows: “The professor….argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour"<br /><br />The comment about mind altering drugs was my original. I thought it added a nice touch. I also understand these American shrinks are really into dosing patients with pills and electric shocks? <br /><br />Anyway, I thought she sure sounded crazy. But you know me, I always try things to be kind and humorous. I reserve my vitriolic side for the two baddies I despise, Castro and Maduro. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70800561768605030342015-03-01T15:41:30.431-05:002015-03-01T15:41:30.431-05:00the picture, from that journalism.org article, sum...the picture, from that journalism.org article, sums it up:<br /><br />http://www.journalism.org/files/2014/10/10-20-2014-2-31-55-PM.pngHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41609018488566992482015-03-01T15:40:28.742-05:002015-03-01T15:40:28.742-05:00Here's the problem:
http://www.journalism.org/...Here's the problem:<br />http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/<br /><br />Can you imagine getting a reliable source of information somehow wedged into Fox to reach the people who see only the Fox material?Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19745270360909174732015-03-01T13:20:43.274-05:002015-03-01T13:20:43.274-05:00Ay Caruba!
That goes way beyond tin-foil hat. He...Ay Caruba!<br /><br />That goes way beyond tin-foil hat. He's into incompetent-to-use-Google territory, claiming that what he can't find has been "disappeared" from the record.<br /><br />Too bad the Internet has never had a trusted reference librarian. These wackos who can't help themselves might .... but that's fantasy.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15058059738666335202015-03-01T09:26:32.984-05:002015-03-01T09:26:32.984-05:00Global warming and changed climate conditions are ...Global warming and changed climate conditions are a fact of today's society, so we cannot deny this either way.<br />Industry and people pollute every day and our planet has had enough of this.<br />We need as individuals to learn how to protect the environment if others don't.<br /><a href="http://www.alternative-energies.net/a-few-solutions-to-fight-climate-change-in-2015/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternative-energies.net/a-few-solutions-to-fight-climate-change-in-2015/</a>Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17474003008720023822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57054222483063555942015-02-28T20:46:26.165-05:002015-02-28T20:46:26.165-05:00Inflation cultists can’t be moved; but reporters a...<i><b>Inflation cultists can’t be moved; but reporters and editors who tend to put out views-differ-on-shape-of-planet stories because they think it’s safe</b> can be, sometimes, deterred if you show that they are lending credence to charlatans.</i><br /><br />Compromise. Strategy 2 towards scientists. Strategy 3 towards "journalists".Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69092332251473883882015-02-28T19:01:24.291-05:002015-02-28T19:01:24.291-05:00In a parallel mental universe , where Raypierre is...In a parallel mental universe , where Raypierre is a Chicago School Climatologist, I find inflation a useful didactic analog of climate forcing .<br /><br />While the per diem rate of temperature inflation may be reckoned in tens of microdegrees-- very small change , CO2 bracket creep lurched into being ~ 100,000 days ago , at the Industrial Revolution's start and after ten to the five days , tens of microdegrees start to mount up. <br /><br />Add population growth and quality of life feedbacks and you are on the primrose path to hyperinflation .THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20135714159086444102015-02-28T18:50:39.521-05:002015-02-28T18:50:39.521-05:00Martinez, Hank.
Unless you prefer Randy Johnson o...<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4osTw6HVLAk" rel="nofollow">Martinez</a>, Hank.<br /><br />Unless you prefer Randy Johnson or Tom Glavine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87586344555077583562015-02-28T14:50:34.134-05:002015-02-28T14:50:34.134-05:00Concering Norgaard: the part about
'mind alte...Concering Norgaard: the part about <br />'mind altering drug' seems to be an invention by <a href="http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.se/2012/04/utter-desperation-of-global-warmists.html" rel="nofollow">tin-foil-hat blogger Alan Caruba</a>.Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49799705555591330172015-02-28T14:07:12.737-05:002015-02-28T14:07:12.737-05:00Fernando, it would be nice if you had a link to wh...Fernando, it would be nice if you had a link to what she said/wrote. No hearsay please, also not that famous press release (which was botched like many a university PR thing, and not her words).Florifulguratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18308710335606861438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74331580838121610862015-02-28T13:45:10.834-05:002015-02-28T13:45:10.834-05:00Florifulgurator, I thought Noorgard's proposal...Florifulgurator, I thought Noorgard's proposal to have me treated by shrinks who could use mind altering drugs to a throwback to Solzhenitzyn's "Cancer Ward" or "one flew over the cuckoo's nest". <br /><br />I don't watch Mr Rush Limbo, but I imagine he is also one hell of an extremist in this area. One of these days I have to tell you what happened when Hannity's screener put me through to discuss George Bush sometime in 2004. Sean got incredibly pissed at her after he hung up on me. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83678694512697177542015-02-28T12:02:31.409-05:002015-02-28T12:02:31.409-05:00In hardball you need a good change-up to go with t...In hardball you need a good change-up to go with the heat:)EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38940308687477918482015-02-28T10:48:13.484-05:002015-02-28T10:48:13.484-05:00Pedro who?Pedro who?Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24506018553002706882015-02-28T10:47:18.253-05:002015-02-28T10:47:18.253-05:00Nice :)Nice :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83369955643927287562015-02-28T10:45:22.995-05:002015-02-28T10:45:22.995-05:00Krugman keeps forgetting and rediscovering and for...Krugman keeps forgetting and rediscovering and forgetting that the people making the policy choices don't care what academics say.<br /><br />"... More important, over the past several years policy makers across the Western world have pretty much ignored the professional consensus on government spending and everything else, placing their faith instead in doctrines most economists firmly reject...."<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/opinion/paul-krugman-knowledge-isnt-power.html<br /><br /><br />Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40317270119958237332015-02-28T10:37:26.862-05:002015-02-28T10:37:26.862-05:00I recall Eli saying the same thing as BartV. Diffe...I recall Eli saying the same thing as BartV. Different strokes for different folks. Having different playing styles provides an ethological asset. It is also more interesting to read.<br /><br />I associate this with the four lines in hockey:<br /><br />http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_(ice_hockey)#Types_of_line<br /><br />***<br /><br />The same argument should also apply within ClimateBall players themselves. There are times where snark tops infomercials. There are times when openness pays off too. <br /><br />Think of it as the pitches in a pitcher's repertoire. (That's baseball, BartV.) I and Eli are more from the Greg Maddux type. BartV is more a Roger Clemens. You know it will be a fast ball or a really fast ball. Hank would be a Pedro Martinez.<br /><br />Even if Krugman seems to rubber name calling, it's still the cheapest snark around. Its usefulness belongs in group dynamics. In ClimateBall, style matters too much to be of any real use.<br /><br />PS: If someone could find why Nic Lewis assumes that alpha is constant in his derivation, that would be nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53049181048148570712015-02-28T09:54:14.342-05:002015-02-28T09:54:14.342-05:00And to be clear, characterizing Eli's archness...And to be clear, characterizing Eli's archness as rude in the face of insinuations of fraud and totalitarianism is a sign that your meter's broken.afemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08364320934289732272noreply@blogger.com