tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6454004947347425838..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Where are the tone trolls when you need themEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79899535689432563652011-02-21T00:26:02.917-05:002011-02-21T00:26:02.917-05:00Willard,
The gender-neutral pronoun is your frien...Willard,<br /><br />The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_%28pronoun%29" rel="nofollow">gender-neutral pronoun</a> is your friend.Paul Daniel Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633446166342778475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4207587853614461142010-12-17T08:27:33.748-05:002010-12-17T08:27:33.748-05:00Sorry to be late.
A basic definition of a mob sci...Sorry to be late.<br /><br />A basic definition of a mob scientist would be a scientist that promotes his work by enthralling her audience with antagonism towards her competitors. <br /><br />Promotion can be taken in a technical sense; a common trick is dog-whistling.<br /><br />By this definition, there are indeed dozens of guilty parties on both sides.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2503034598914079832010-05-17T10:54:34.639-04:002010-05-17T10:54:34.639-04:00As a busy bird, I am always looking for nice threa...As a busy bird, I am always looking for nice threads. You gotta feather a nest, we all know that... but hey, does stuff like this really happen? To think that this Barry Saltzman guy; got his 'Big Idea', after Tiny Tim sang his song, way back, in the early sixties. Wow!...<br /><br />http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5700&linkbox=true&position=1<br /><br />Save the world? Gotta Franklin...<br />If you lived here, you would be home by now. Buy-buy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90474383257853193502010-05-17T08:43:46.901-04:002010-05-17T08:43:46.901-04:00http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/educa...http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/education/article/university_may_fight_cuccinelli_demand/56163/<br /><br />The University of Virginia has engaged a law firm to explore options regarding the CID.bluegruehttp://bluedwarf@web.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79279253901984382852010-05-06T05:40:46.044-04:002010-05-06T05:40:46.044-04:00Indeed.Indeed.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20577494588591468972010-05-06T02:50:31.280-04:002010-05-06T02:50:31.280-04:00If you think that's doing science, we're d...If you think that's doing science, we're done here.Skip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45950966515448799932010-05-06T01:50:41.379-04:002010-05-06T01:50:41.379-04:00Skip, thanks for a useful link! Eh, did you read i...Skip, thanks for <a href="http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=381&filename=1067596623.txt" rel="nofollow">a useful link</a>! Eh, did you read it? Because it is an own goal.<br /><br />This mail is a live demo of what Steve <em>ought</em> to be doing if he wants to be taken seriously; what he has been <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/09/hey-ya-mal/" rel="nofollow">told</a> time and again, and it never seems to stick: <em>do the science</em>. Let the evidence speak for you, not the snark and innuendo. You don't need that if you're right. But "blog science" is so much more fun, innit?<br /><br />And by the way, the statement you quote was not made in public. No science illiterate mob or echo chamber was being played. There is simply nothing to deny, plausibly or otherwise.<br /><br />An even better example is described <a href="http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, about the Douglass et al. paper, where the evidence for fraud is convincing, yet the F word was never used in public.<br /><br />Thanks for making my broader point. Do you still need that definition? ;-)Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76867722767177156772010-05-05T22:17:21.971-04:002010-05-05T22:17:21.971-04:00Would this be an example of the plausible deniabil...Would this be an example of the plausible deniability you're talking about?<br /><br />>>"Takinig the high road is<br />probably very important here. If *others* want to say that their actions represent<br />scientific fraud, intellectual dishonesty, etc. (as I think we all suspect they do), lets<br />let *them* make these charges for us!"<<<br /><br />http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=381&filename=1067596623.txtSkip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69025844701957555142010-05-05T04:30:51.537-04:002010-05-05T04:30:51.537-04:00You know what blog science stands for, don't y...You know what <a href="http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">blog science</a> stands for, don't you? (Hint: no, it's not "blogging about science".)<br /><br />"Mob science" is when that gets out of hand, and Steve needs his plausible-deniability skills. <a href="http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/04/climate-auditor-steve-mcintyre-yamal/" rel="nofollow">Yamal</a> shows the process in action, thought you could connect the dots yourself. Sorry.<br /><br />Do you need a formal definition? I'm lazy as bunnies go, but if you insist...Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24529229922732329432010-05-05T02:54:10.182-04:002010-05-05T02:54:10.182-04:00So you're using the term "mob scientist&q...So you're using the term "mob scientist" as an insult, but you can't actually define it?Skip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-60327895221908778012010-05-04T15:59:51.559-04:002010-05-04T15:59:51.559-04:00Skip, I'll pass on the definition and rather i...Skip, I'll pass on the definition and rather illustrate by example... does <a href="http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/30/briffa-teaches-but-will-mcintyre-ever-learn/" rel="nofollow">Yamal</a> ring a bell?<br /><br />There's more where that came from.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84107436118437104082010-05-04T15:10:14.823-04:002010-05-04T15:10:14.823-04:00Actually, before I argue further, I should ask how...Actually, before I argue further, I should ask how you define "mob scientist."Skip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14197301582768792402010-05-04T14:58:40.827-04:002010-05-04T14:58:40.827-04:00McIntyre has cut off comments on multiple threads ...McIntyre has cut off comments on multiple threads on Cuccinelli vs. Mann because they were too aggressive and mean spirited. <br /><br />And if having a blog about climate science is "mob science" then there are dozens of guilty parties on both sides.Skip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44642082676273133582010-05-04T13:41:04.295-04:002010-05-04T13:41:04.295-04:00Skip, are you serious? (No, don't answer that....Skip, are you serious? (No, don't answer that.) McI is the senior mob scientist... the nuts are a chapter apart. Methinks your standards have slipped a bit.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59657253518400443492010-05-04T03:16:13.526-04:002010-05-04T03:16:13.526-04:00The mob science can be found in the comment sectio...The mob science can be found in the comment section of any blog devoted to climate study. What sets blogs apart is how they deal with the nuts. ClimateAudit actually does a nice job of reigning in the fruitcakes.Skip Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84042079558331914142010-05-03T05:49:44.596-04:002010-05-03T05:49:44.596-04:00McIntyre is obviously embarrassed -- as I would be...McIntyre is obviously embarrassed -- as I would be in his shoes. Hmm, why am I reminded of Khrushchev denouncing Stalin? McI should have known where the blog science road ends: at mob science.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80128006488993318422010-05-02T22:58:17.899-04:002010-05-02T22:58:17.899-04:00Thanks for the clarifications. I hope the stuff I ...Thanks for the clarifications. I hope the stuff I do on solar and wind and efficiency is as useful to ya'll as your hard work in keeping up on who is who and what is what in the denial sphere is to me.Gar Lipowhttp://www.nohairshirts.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58765543178322771292010-05-02T22:34:17.062-04:002010-05-02T22:34:17.062-04:00To follow up on Eli's point, here's some d...To follow up on Eli's point, here's some data from ISI:<br /><br />S. Fred Singer: Most cited paper has 92 citations.<br />10th most cited paper has 43 citations.<br />h-index = 21<br /><br />Frederick Seitz: Most cited paper has 715 citations.<br />10th most cited paper has 201 citations.<br />h-index = 40<br /><br />Michael E. Mann: Most cited paper - 680 citations.<br />10th most cited paper has 124 citations.<br />h-index = 32<br /><br />The denialati keep promoting Singer as some giant of atmospheric science. He's not. He's a regular guy, who did some good work back in the 50's and 60's, but nothing earthshaking.Robert P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16608096675543218433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25963394047999316122010-05-02T13:22:37.606-04:002010-05-02T13:22:37.606-04:00Singer has never been in Seitz's class as a sc...Singer has never been in Seitz's class as a scientist, but the two were friends.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72576764002142183842010-05-02T09:52:51.600-04:002010-05-02T09:52:51.600-04:00Gar Lipow,
Singer and Seitz were both good scien...Gar Lipow, <br /><br />Singer and Seitz were both good scientists until their ideology and greed got the better of them. Milloy has never been anything other than a right-wing propagandist. If you need to know more, there are many sources.TrueScepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73812877741731915112010-05-02T09:47:13.587-04:002010-05-02T09:47:13.587-04:00>Fred seems more in the Seitz mold than the Mil...<i>>Fred seems more in the Seitz mold than the Milloy mold.<br /><br />Can you explain the distinction?<br /></i><br /><br />My guess is that Seitz is more of a "Dr. Strangelove" type, while Milloy better fits the Ferengi mold (think "Quark" from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine).<br /><br />--caerbannog the anonybunnyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16995346604763000382010-05-01T19:45:02.752-04:002010-05-01T19:45:02.752-04:00>Fred seems more in the Seitz mold than the Mil...>Fred seems more in the Seitz mold than the Milloy mold. <br /><br />Can you explain the distinction?Gar Lipowhttp://www.nohairshirts.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3501986341483651702010-05-01T17:48:51.256-04:002010-05-01T17:48:51.256-04:00Re: Fred Singer
People really, really should make ...Re: Fred Singer<br />People really, really should make a note to read the Oreskes/Conway "Merchants of Doubt", which should be out later this month. Fred is included in great detail, going back many decades and the story is more complex than it seems. Fred seems more in the Seitz mold than the Milloy mold.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48531404372107471652010-05-01T17:10:49.030-04:002010-05-01T17:10:49.030-04:00And I thought Fred knew the world was warming...he...And I thought Fred knew the world was warming...he wrote a book called something like Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 years in which the warming is all part of natural cycle. Now apparently Mann's hiding the decline means the world isn't warming, whdich means Fred's book was totally wrong, right???<br /><br />Or was his book so thoroughly debunked he gave up on natural global warming and decided he'd have better success denying things were warming at all?<br /><br />He must know what "hide the decline" means too. Is he stupid, delusional living in a small box, or a liar? I don't think he's stupid, fwiw, so that narrows the choices.<br /><br />-daniel j. andrewsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72123554566486843542010-05-01T15:07:14.262-04:002010-05-01T15:07:14.262-04:00Snow Bunny says:
This is inconsistent with Fred&#...Snow Bunny says:<br /><br />This is inconsistent with Fred's personality and capabilities since when?<br /><br />He's jealous of other scientists. I read one of his earlier papers putting down a whole field with a lordly air and mumbo-jumbo. Non-sequitur all the way down, imho. Shouldn't have been published.<br /><br />I don't know of any constructive scientific work he ever did. I admit I didn't read a lot of his papers, not liking the mental torture junk papers give me. I just suspected all them were that way.<br /><br />You think Fred has just now gone over the top? In 1960 he suggested Phobos, a moon of Mars, was built by aliens. Made a newspaper headline of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com