tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6373810465085270692..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Some ReadingEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67486940668151905132012-10-29T16:08:20.785-04:002012-10-29T16:08:20.785-04:00And even if one (for the sake of the argument here...And even if one (for the sake of the argument here) assumed that the "greens" were somehow responsible for the decline of use of DDT in a number of developing countries, and could do that because they were in cahoots with the aid donors - it would actually imply that the vilified "greens" and their evil donor friends were...well, the only ones actually providing aid to the above countries.Kutainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-63266664840764561162012-10-29T09:37:30.946-04:002012-10-29T09:37:30.946-04:00Well, as such things go the SB law requires Kelvin...Well, as such things go the SB law requires Kelvin so the difference is roughly 5 K and the amount of extra heat is<br /><br />sigma [(To+5)^4- To^4)<br /><br />Eli calls that a First Order McKitrick Error.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6580433195139686052012-10-29T04:08:28.534-04:002012-10-29T04:08:28.534-04:00Tim L has just announced he's been granted a r...Tim L <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2012/10/23/why-is-yale-environment-360-spreading-the-ddt-ban-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-129452" rel="nofollow">has just announced</a> he's been granted a right-of-reply on the Australian ABC's 'Ockham's Razor' to (usually reliable) science journalist Robyn Williams recent Carson commemoration piece that apparently also swallowed the myth...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32197871466462486432012-10-28T22:15:21.111-04:002012-10-28T22:15:21.111-04:00The Atlantic ocean is up to 9F degrees warmer than...The Atlantic ocean is up to 9F degrees warmer than average. Stefan's law says energy goes as the 4th power. Sandy is global warming, for real.<br /><br />Snow BunnyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10573704884059319752012-10-28T15:00:26.799-04:002012-10-28T15:00:26.799-04:00With the advent of advertising, materialism has be...With the advent of advertising, materialism has become too important to be left to the marxists.<br /><br />It would be like delegating theology to Roy Spencer.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-737304285248286922012-10-28T14:15:05.277-04:002012-10-28T14:15:05.277-04:00Clearly, Yale must be hosting the "The Nutqua...Clearly, Yale must be hosting the "The Nutquacker Sweet", with Pearce as the prima balancerina -- after all his Climategate rubbish.<br /><br />~@:>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64805472128692105782012-10-28T13:30:09.138-04:002012-10-28T13:30:09.138-04:00GM, says Fred Pierce?
I wonder about the comforti...GM, says Fred Pierce?<br /><br />I wonder about the comforting assumption behind the safety claims, myself.<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n10/full/ncomms2148.html<br /><br />"... reports of acquired genes in invertebrates and plants from free-living organisms ..."Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45329854046796615312012-10-28T12:14:18.950-04:002012-10-28T12:14:18.950-04:00I didn't mean to imply Porritt was a Marxist -...I didn't mean to imply Porritt was a Marxist - what I meant to write was that you can count on many who say they are inspired by Rachel Carson not to have read her. <br /><br />My read of what Eli posted that we are commenting on was that it seemed Eli was saying Pearce was attacking Carson, which is why I commented that Pearce absolved Carson as he attacked the environment movement. Eli's way of expressing himself is entertaining, but sometimes he is so concise I don't get his meaning correctly. <br /><br />I'm not saying I'm a fan of Pearce: I've heard him laud the activities of McIntyre... I did not take a position on whether Pearce was correct in his attack. <br /><br />regarding "bill"s comment: I would say Pearce writes about "blanket opposition". He does not go further to say that the "blanket opposition" resulted in a global ban. Where is the "horseshit"? <br /><br />I brought up what Porritt is saying now to show that there are people who were prominent in the environment movement at the time Pearce is saying they "were dangerously wrong" who talk now as if they would agree with Pearce. <br /><br />Porritt was as prominent as you can get in the environment movement at the time in the UK. I don't say I agree with Pearce, or with Porritt. <br /><br />Although Porritt describes his own activities as Director of Friends of the Earth UK around DDT and malaria in the early 1980s as something that "causes" him "much discomfort" these days, his explanation as to why, i.e. "we didn't exactly go out of our way to celebrate the success of DDT", leaves it completely to my imagination as to what it is that causes him to be uncomfortable. <br /><br />I take this discomfort Porritt says he has now about his activities then and add the fact he has bought into the "Carson adamantly opposed DDT use for any purpose" line, and it looks to me like there may be evidence if someone dug it out that Porritt himself adamantly opposed DDT use for anything back then and influenced UK Friends of the Earth to do the same. <br /><br />I don't know what the truth is. <br /><br />I thought by posting here that some, more knowledgeable than myself, could throw some light on this for me. I'm wanting to see original sources. At present I'm ploughing through a Carson biography, "On a Farther Shore" by William Souder. I'll be re-reading Silent Spring next. <br />david lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057820755734099375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10170085881268076732012-10-28T11:01:23.057-04:002012-10-28T11:01:23.057-04:00He is attacking an environment movement that accor...<i>He is attacking an environment movement that according to him, "has been dangerously wrong before" and is wrong now about whatever he's gassing on about. </i><br /><br />But his example of "dangerously wrong" is pure, undulterated bovine excrement, fresh and uncomposted, full of acid and bile, and not a whit of accuracy.<br /><br />He may as well say he's attacking a medical movement "that has been dangerously wrong before" such as that time Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis proposed that physicians should wash hands between doing necropsies and treating maternity patients, "since everyone knows the pain and many millions of deaths that have resulted from chapped hands." <br /><br />At least chapped hands may produce pain. There would be a thread of fact there.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5294802197405460752012-10-28T10:57:19.238-04:002012-10-28T10:57:19.238-04:00Marxist is one of those labels that has been meani...Marxist is one of those labels that has been meaningless for so long that it ought to discredit the one who uses it. Even Marx declared near the time of his death that he was not a marxist!<br /><br />Other candidates include "Jeffersonian Democracy," Nazi and lukewarmer.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20299482091036988362012-10-28T08:41:17.918-04:002012-10-28T08:41:17.918-04:00It's a feature not a bug. Know one Fuller and...It's a feature not a bug. Know one Fuller and you know them all.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11433979955507738002012-10-28T07:22:33.546-04:002012-10-28T07:22:33.546-04:00> tearing Fuller a knew one.
Typo service: *ne...> tearing Fuller a knew one.<br /><br />Typo service: *new*William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83301943509175547022012-10-28T07:08:30.796-04:002012-10-28T07:08:30.796-04:00Quote of the day:
"UPDATE: Some folks over a...<a href="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/fred-pearce-continues-to-be-rubbish/" rel="nofollow">Quote of the day</a>:<br /><br />"UPDATE: Some folks over at Collide-a-scape are trying to pin the decline in DDT use in some countries in the 60s against malaria on a 1971 US domestic ban. Yes, something in the 60s is being attributed to something that happened in the 70s."J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41075738493089521562012-10-28T07:01:04.537-04:002012-10-28T07:01:04.537-04:00"Porritt is like many Marxists..."
Is h..."Porritt is like many Marxists..."<br /><br />Is he a Marxist? He's been labelled one, but so has Obama.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72228305297794025362012-10-28T05:17:45.424-04:002012-10-28T05:17:45.424-04:00Yes, but the point is that ascribing 'millions...Yes, but the point is that ascribing 'millions of deaths' to unspecified 'blanket opposition' resulting in a ban <i>that never actually happened</i> is horseshit, and of the first water...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6333734241566360432012-10-28T01:30:46.554-04:002012-10-28T01:30:46.554-04:00Testimony by an insider that the morphing did take...Testimony by an insider that the morphing did take place in a movement made up of many people who claimed to be inspired by Rachel Carsons, after her death, is provided by a recent interview with Jonathon Porritt aired on the Australian public broadcaster (aired Oct 28 2012 available as a podcast and transcript <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/ockhamsrazor/50th-anniversary-of-the-book-silent-spring/4329580%22" rel="nofollow">here</a>)<br /><br />Porritt, in the interview: <br /><br />"As Director of Friends of the Earth [ my note: in the U.K. ] through much of the 1980s I lived through these controversies myself and although we acknowledged at that time that there was still a role for DDT in malaria control (until such time as better alternatives were brought in), we didn’t exactly go out of our way to celebrate the success of DDT in saving so many lives. Our principal concern was to get all organophosphates, not just DDT, banned for use in agriculture, and so we tended to play down the public health arguments.<br /><br />With the benefit of hindsight I came to the conclusion some time ago that campaigners got this one wrong by not distinguishing between the use of DDT in agriculture and the use of DDT in public health. It’s the one part of the legacy of Rachel Carson and Silent Spring that causes me much discomfort." <br /><br />Porritt goes further than Pierce and tries to pin responsibility for his excesses on her, i.e. the statement about how the Carson "legacy" somehow caused his excesses. <br /><br />Porritt is now cranking out the Carson opposed DDT for malaria control lie along with all the other morons: <br /><br />Porritt: "Carson was also unforgiving in her attack on the use of DDT in particular, and not just in its use in agriculture. Although she was well aware of the horrific impact of insect-borne diseases on human health (including malaria, dengue fever, sleeping sickness, typhus and so on), she somehow failed to acknowledge that DDT had already played a significant role in helping to control the insects that carry these diseases - most importantly of all, the mosquito."<br /><br />Which is unadulterated horsesh*t. <br /><br />Carson, <a href="http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=95-P13-00014&segmentID=3" rel="nofollow">in this recording</a>, speaking to the National <br />Women's Press Club in 1962, at minute 5:30: "I do favor insect control in appropriate situations"<br /><br />Page 12, "Silent Spring" "It is not my contention that chemical pesticides must never be used. I do contend that we have put poisonous and biologically potent chemicals indiscriminately into the hands of persons largely or wholly ignorant of their potentials for harm." -Google Books has a copy online that can be searched to see this.<br /><br />An extended recent interview with one of her biographers, William Souder is <a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/07/06/2012/scifri-book-club-talks-silent-spring.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. He speaks on Carson, DDT and malaria, starting around minute 6 54 seconds: <br /><br />"...Again, to reiterate, Carson always said that she was not opposed to such uses of DDT, she stated categorically, again and again, in many situations, and so she never, ever, said that DDT should not be used to fight malaria."<br /><br />Porritt is like many Marxists who could be counted on not to have read Marx.david lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057820755734099375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67119665557435017752012-10-28T01:26:34.204-04:002012-10-28T01:26:34.204-04:00I don't see where Pearce has committed himself...I don't see where Pearce has committed himself in the Yale 360 piece to an attack on Carson. <br /><br />He is attacking an environment movement that according to him, "has been dangerously wrong before" and is wrong now about whatever he's gassing on about. <br /><br />What he says the movement got wrong in the past was its "blanket opposition" to DDT that he thinks was the case, that he thinks resulted in "millions of deaths". <br /><br />Pierce was careful when naming Carson to absolve her, i.e.: "When Rachel Carson's sound case against the mass application of DDT... morphed into". <br /><br />Carson died very soon after publishing "Silent Spring" well before any of this "morphing" took place. No one can pin any of this opposition to using DDT for malaria control on her, and Pierce doesn't seem to be doing so.david lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057820755734099375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24897078329346225722012-10-28T00:59:25.505-04:002012-10-28T00:59:25.505-04:00How many millions of smokers WHO has killed by ana...How many millions of smokers WHO has killed by anathematizing tobacco safety research remains a two pipe problem, like second hand tularemia.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23455920336432226132012-10-28T00:35:56.462-04:002012-10-28T00:35:56.462-04:00Well color me stoopid, that is why they call me &q...Well color me stoopid, that is why they call me "Hey Stoopid".<br /><br /><br />Hmmm, 'PBS' Mk2.0.<br /><br />link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMTVGBGs_40&feature=youtu.beAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76380016025456298262012-10-28T00:28:13.146-04:002012-10-28T00:28:13.146-04:00Angry to the point of incoherence, at least to tho...Angry to the point of incoherence, at least to those with a lens that shows Rachel Carson as a bad guy.<br /><br />Can't post there tonight. Politically banned? Technical difficulties? SuperHurricane Sandy? Who knows.<br /><br />The internet is a great idea. Someone should try it sometime.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.com