tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6064969834482435672..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Hot TimesEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87048373880502111212014-12-20T21:35:22.773-05:002014-12-20T21:35:22.773-05:00Fernando, lurk intelligently, or risk dismissal ...Fernando, lurk intelligently, or risk dismissal as a lunk .<br /><br />The goddam graph means what it says.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75613422221411989602014-12-20T18:04:34.227-05:002014-12-20T18:04:34.227-05:00Ferdinand if you had read the first link you would...Ferdinand if you had read the first link you would have seen where the graphic came from.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33742665116005374292014-12-20T15:23:59.974-05:002014-12-20T15:23:59.974-05:00"Given my current status as a middle of the r...<i>"Given my current status as a middle of the road mediator<br /><br />Oh my sides.</i><br /><br />Yeah, BBD, that one was a real corker.Jim Eagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448459024892788259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29403967783879568602014-12-20T15:22:10.077-05:002014-12-20T15:22:10.077-05:00Aaron, I think you misunderstood my comment, and I...Aaron, I think you misunderstood my comment, and I perhaps misunderstood yours. A lot of people talk about H2O as a greenhouse gas and forget or don't even know that it can't permanently increase in the atmosphere without first warming the atmosphere, and that is what I was addressing.<br /><br />We don't disagree about most of what you just wrote, except that the heat isn't mostly going into melting ice, as there's a lot more abyssal water to heat than there is ice to melt. Also, there was a lot more to the 2007 drop in Arctic sea ice than just warming sea water.Jim Eagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448459024892788259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55031591982481772062014-12-20T13:00:22.065-05:002014-12-20T13:00:22.065-05:00Jim,
The atmosphere is the "Gate Keeper"...Jim,<br />The atmosphere is the "Gate Keeper", "Tax Collector", and "Pay Master" not the store of heat. The gate keeper does not need to be rich to guard the king's treasure. <br /><br />The Earth's hoard of heat is in its oceans - mostly as the heat absorbed by melting ice. <br /><br />Very small changes in the atmosphere can, over time make huge changes in the heat content of the oceans. As the oceans warm, they will put more water vapor (latent heat) in the atmosphere. (The king pays his servants.) <br /><br />You may not see increasing water vapor in the atmosphere as a problem yet, but it is an effect to watch, because as you point out, water vapor does not stay in the atmosphere for long. More water vapor in the atmosphere leads to 2 issues and effects. More warming! And, more water coming out of the atmosphere (which events may exceed engineering basis of design for infrastructure, e.g., flooding).<br /><br />As long as significant ice remains, the sensible heat of the atmosphere is not a good indicator of the total heat in the ocean system, and hence the Earth system. This is one reason that the 2007 Arctic sea ice retreat was so important. It was a visible pointer the to fact heat in the oceans is increasing.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150805906414546377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79199028190343469292014-12-20T11:41:39.309-05:002014-12-20T11:41:39.309-05:00Given my current status as a middle of the road me...<i> Given my current status as a middle of the road mediator</i><br /><br />Oh my sides.BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70535143450704798032014-12-20T11:36:41.845-05:002014-12-20T11:36:41.845-05:00Fernando,
My apologies. I didn't know Googl...Fernando, <br /><br />My apologies. I didn't know <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=noaa+warmest+year" rel="nofollow">Google</a> was so far above your competency.luminous beautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332693386297526930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12247611220093668852014-12-20T11:11:04.356-05:002014-12-20T11:11:04.356-05:00Here, look at this link. It has a temperature grap...Here, look at this link. It has a temperature graph. That's what I'm looking for. <br /><br />http://21stcenturysocialcritic.blogspot.com.es/2014/12/global-warming-101-short-course.html#moreFernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58118077965591306362014-12-20T11:03:18.813-05:002014-12-20T11:03:18.813-05:00lolcatstevens, I have no assurance there's a l...lolcatstevens, I have no assurance there's a link between the text above the box and the comment in the box. So is the temperature anomaly referenced to an average? Yes. What's the actual average? I want to look up a graph instead of looking at a map. I want to see what's the data source to see what the trend looks like. <br /><br />I ask because I look at data sources from both sides of the climate wars. Both tend to bs a bit about it. Given my current status as a middle of the road mediator I like to absorb a diverse data flow. <br /><br />By the way, did you read my Global Warming 101 short course? I bet you will love it. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48123382370623854972014-12-20T10:33:10.730-05:002014-12-20T10:33:10.730-05:00"Warm oceans put lots of water vapor in the a...<i>"Warm oceans put lots of water vapor in the air which is a great greenhouse gas."</i><br /><br />True, but the atmosphere has to first warm up or all that extra water vapor won't hang around for very long. It can't act as a greenhouse gas if it doesn't stay in the atmosphere.Jim Eagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448459024892788259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52123791952849617732014-12-20T09:32:46.576-05:002014-12-20T09:32:46.576-05:00Fernando
Do yourself a favour for once. Don't...Fernando<br /><br />Do yourself a favour for once. Don't try to deny the instrumental record. This isn't WUWT. <br /><br />Ask yourself how many years were there in the C20th? When did that century start and finish? Etc. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68214357835054297842014-12-20T04:39:31.126-05:002014-12-20T04:39:31.126-05:00What is so unclear about the text in the box? Did ...What is so unclear about the text in the box? Did you quit reading halfway through?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69251085298609367592014-12-20T04:08:35.308-05:002014-12-20T04:08:35.308-05:00LB, the box doesn't specify the anomaly refere...LB, the box doesn't specify the anomaly reference period used in the discussion. If you can, could you hang a carrot in the room to see if somebody wakes up and provides the answer? Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72714705263624329412014-12-19T23:03:05.530-05:002014-12-19T23:03:05.530-05:00Warm oceans put lots of water vapor in the air whi...Warm oceans put lots of water vapor in the air which is a great greenhouse gas.<br /><br />If AGW was a Rottweiler, sensible heat in the atmosphere would be the fleas on its tail.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150805906414546377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9535216245358427472014-12-19T19:13:15.639-05:002014-12-19T19:13:15.639-05:00Fernando,
Read the box at the bottom of the graph...Fernando,<br /><br />Read the box at the bottom of the graphic.luminous beautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332693386297526930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50626496141575946612014-12-19T14:21:17.961-05:002014-12-19T14:21:17.961-05:00For those using modern units that's 0,68 degre...For those using modern units that's 0,68 degrees C. So what's the anomaly baseline used by NOAA? Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.com