tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post5653079022934151145..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Open thread for climate commentsEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41262387034574223942012-07-12T15:33:13.857-04:002012-07-12T15:33:13.857-04:00Something possibly significant just happened in Te...Something possibly significant just happened in Texas.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/11/2891583/texas-judge-rules-atmosphere-air.html#storylink=cpy" rel="nofollow">Texas judge rules atmosphere, air is public trust</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-46109486364873752412012-06-27T00:04:45.557-04:002012-06-27T00:04:45.557-04:00Adaptation comes to Colorado Springs. :-(<a href="http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/06/photos-waldo-canyon-fire-near-garden-of-the-gods/38318/#8" rel="nofollow">Adaptation comes to Colorado Springs.</a> :-(dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13885863615343906724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-30486758204894492482012-06-25T14:22:43.815-04:002012-06-25T14:22:43.815-04:00A journalist gets it, spells it out, and even ment...A journalist gets it, spells it out, and even mentions a rabbit hole.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theworld.org/2012/06/on-climate-deniers/" rel="nofollow">On Not Responding to Climate Deniers, and What I’d Say If I Did</a><br /><br />Joe Bastardi takes exception in comments. I'm surprised he didn't accuse climate scientists of serial child rape this time.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73768755020572231142012-06-24T07:15:57.277-04:002012-06-24T07:15:57.277-04:00Business Green's James Murray decides the Rio ...Business Green's James Murray decides the Rio glass isn't all half empty, for businesses at least.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/james-blog/2186586/rio-earth-summit-bad" rel="nofollow">Has the Rio +20 Earth Summit really been that bad?</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19870838828640560112012-06-21T19:14:33.842-04:002012-06-21T19:14:33.842-04:00Fixed link, hopefully:
POPSCI: The Battle Over Cli...Fixed link, hopefully:<br />POPSCI: <a href="http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-06/battle-over-climate-change" rel="nofollow">The Battle Over Climate Science</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9812498843419362682012-06-21T19:11:35.630-04:002012-06-21T19:11:35.630-04:00POPSCI: The Battle Over Climate Science
Good arti...<a rel="nofollow">POPSCI: The Battle Over Climate Science</a><br /><br />Good article. Particularly enjoyed the backgrounder to Stephen Milloy.<br /><br /><i>"Milloy is dressed in a striped pink button-down shirt and khaki pants, classic Potomac prep. He moved into climate denial in the 1990s as funding from the tobacco lobby began to dry up...."</i>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16918476328006340062012-06-21T15:52:16.814-04:002012-06-21T15:52:16.814-04:00Thought of helping Greenpeace get a million signat...Thought of helping Greenpeace get a million signatures to pressure governments to protect the Arctic from drilling?<br /><a href="http://www.savethearctic.org/?src=4K014&utm_source=20120621ebulletinarcticsolutions&utm_medium=email&utm_term=savethearctic&utm_campaign=climate" rel="nofollow">Save the Arctic Campaign.</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86699112008862648422012-06-20T23:36:49.931-04:002012-06-20T23:36:49.931-04:00a_ray, the model is only for OLR with a near const...a_ray, the model is only for OLR with a near constant average SST. The SW and albedo would be a different model. For the OLR, a greater area of open water would allow greater heat loss from the oceans. The solar constant doesn't change though and the vast majority of solar is absorbed in about 50% of the surface area. The impact of increased resistance to OLR would be highest near the MBL boundaries which is kinda the point of the model, how much is that impact?<br /><br />Since the general flow of energy in the oceans from the warmer middle to the polar edges, adding 3.7Wm-2 to a 307 - 315 Wm-2 sink would reduce the flow, but not reverse the flow. The net is a negative feed back.Recovering in the Florida Keyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07913299764512464597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49195038149800817012012-06-20T21:18:49.843-04:002012-06-20T21:18:49.843-04:00Hardy Cross --- Ides of March.Hardy Cross --- Ides of March.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1064266284555589152012-06-20T21:02:52.085-04:002012-06-20T21:02:52.085-04:00Uh, Dallas, aren't you ignoring the fact that ...Uh, Dallas, aren't you ignoring the fact that if the radiating area is increasing, so is the absorbing area. I think you're well beyond second order effects now.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65006115673426576272012-06-20T20:01:54.099-04:002012-06-20T20:01:54.099-04:00a_ray, This is just a work sheet to estimate the ...a_ray, This is just a work sheet to estimate the limits between a stable glacial and a stable inter glacial. The range is limited by the freezing points of salt and fresh water. It neglects geothermal energy and solar variation.<br /><br />http://redneckphysics.blogspot.com/2012/06/not-forth-coming-ice-age.html<br /><br />Just very simple thermal balance model, KISS BTW was the first thing on the board in thermo, but it looks pretty interesting.Recovering in the Florida Keyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07913299764512464597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16426316030810676682012-06-20T19:44:39.556-04:002012-06-20T19:44:39.556-04:00A_ray, above the moisture boundary layer the the w...A_ray, above the moisture boundary layer the the wave length of the ORL becomes important. From the surface to the top of the MBL the wave lengths are dominated by the water spectrum. What I am defining as the MBL is the region where water and/or water vapor dominate the spectrum to simplify the thermal balance. <br /><br />Think of a balloon that has exactly 1 square meter of surface area and is radiating exactly 100Wm-2. If you add energy inside the balloon it will radiate more energy, but depending on how elastic the balloon is, the WM-2 change outside will vary. If I add enough energy for just 1 more Wm-2, how much change would you observe? <br /><br />To me, it is easier looking inside of the balloon, I use the surface as my frame of reference. That was the second thing they beat into my head in thermo, frame of reference.Recovering in the Florida Keyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07913299764512464597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-71554312648655482122012-06-20T17:29:19.770-04:002012-06-20T17:29:19.770-04:00Dallas,
The ocean as the radiating area is mostly ...Dallas,<br />The ocean as the radiating area is mostly irrelevant--what matters is the irradiating surface--and that varies with wavelength.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35368375903393469872012-06-20T16:59:53.556-04:002012-06-20T16:59:53.556-04:00"Disclosure of the reason for his dismissal m..."Disclosure of the reason for his dismissal might be one of those cases of "be careful of what you wish for""<br /><br />Oregon Universities are dealing with an 11% cut in the current biennium. The last two bienniums saw significant cuts, too.<br /><br />At some point, when money available to run a University drops for six straight years, you need to decide whose contract you'll renew, and whose contract you'll let lapse, because you don't have enough money to keep everyone on board.dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84954437494917028082012-06-20T15:07:16.433-04:002012-06-20T15:07:16.433-04:00" And unless Dallas is attempting satire, nei..." And unless Dallas is attempting satire, neither does he."<br /><br />Some what satirical. Determining what is a feed back in a complex system is difficult because you have to know what is the forcing first. CO2 forcing is actually a feed back of total energy. No energy, no CO2 forcing/feed back. <br /><br />That is why I think the Moisture Boundary Layer model is useful. It defines an envelope of moist enthalpy, the main variable in the atmosphere. A warming ocean would expand that envelope. Since the total area of the envelope would increase at a greater rate that the surface area of the ocean, warming of the oceans, the forcing would increase the area of heat dissipation, the moisture boundary layer, a feed back. If the ratio of the area of the moisture envelope to Sea surface area remains constant, it is a neutral feed back. So you not only have a change in lapse rate but also a change in moist radiant surface area to consider. Water was a GHG last I heard.Recovering in the Florida Keyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07913299764512464597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13909044758968026622012-06-20T14:07:07.462-04:002012-06-20T14:07:07.462-04:00Ah, Faux News. The network that actually makes yo...Ah, Faux News. The network that actually makes you stupider. The guy is a wingnut. You don't want anti-science nutjobs teaching science. I do not want my tax dollars directed to lying to children. See:<br /><br />http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/the-light-of-day/a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49120943686701455582012-06-20T12:43:17.988-04:002012-06-20T12:43:17.988-04:00Drapela was not a professor, was a lecturer, but t...Drapela was not a professor, was a lecturer, but the dramatic narrative for Fox is better if he's accidentally promoted to professor.<br /><br />Disclosure of the reason for his dismissal might be one of those cases of "be careful of what you wish for"; either the department did gratuitously fire him and leave themselves open to a lawsuit or other trouble, or they're respecting his privacy by not describing the exact reasoning behind the decision.<br /><br />I feel sorry for his family; high and dry. Sucks.dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13885863615343906724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2813872986474508852012-06-20T12:03:05.034-04:002012-06-20T12:03:05.034-04:00Snow Bunny says:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/...Snow Bunny says:<br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/19/professor-fired-after-expressing-climate-change-skepticism/<br /><br />This is a strange story -- the professor (perhaps not his formal title) was abruptly fired and his keys taken before the end of the semester. The conservative jokers are all over the story that he is a victim of the global warming "business". If he's not tenured, his academic contract can simply be let lapse: why would he be fired this way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7816132284790138702012-06-19T21:15:47.419-04:002012-06-19T21:15:47.419-04:00Greenpeace declares war on the finance sector
The...<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sustainable-business/rio-20-greenpeace-war-finance-sector" rel="nofollow">Greenpeace declares war on the finance sector</a><br /><br />The greenies have educated themselves on the twists and turns, and found rich pickings in fossil fuel financing. This could be a very interesting and entertaining development. Watch the injunctions and gagging orders eventually starting flying out from The City and Wall Street.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20777988560599630282012-06-19T21:07:40.077-04:002012-06-19T21:07:40.077-04:00@Benson:
2055 - which month?
Hardy Cross@Benson: <br /><br />2055 - which month?<br /><br />Hardy CrossAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91403910642227296812012-06-19T20:15:59.280-04:002012-06-19T20:15:59.280-04:00Hardy Cross --- Itts all over by 2055 or thenabout...Hardy Cross --- Itts all over by 2055 or thenabouts.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15983243189977876652012-06-19T18:48:49.181-04:002012-06-19T18:48:49.181-04:00OK, so I'll take that as you admitting you don...OK, so I'll take that as you admitting you don't know what a feedback is. And unless Dallas is attempting satire, neither does he.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56020301807961116182012-06-19T18:09:31.222-04:002012-06-19T18:09:31.222-04:00"The ocean does act as a negative feedback if..."The ocean does act as a negative feedback if the surface temperature goes up and the ocean responds with a higher evaporation rate. Of course, this is all very hard to prove."<br /><br />Don't you mean "The ocean does act as a <b>positive</b> feedback if the surface temperature goes up and the ocean responds with a higher evaporation rate,<b> since water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas.</b> Of course, this is all very <b>well understood</b>."Brian Dodgehttp://www.realclimate.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67709426379994094782012-06-19T17:53:09.143-04:002012-06-19T17:53:09.143-04:00Obama flips Inhofe the bird. Someone needs to get ...<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/06/18/501796/breaking-obama-would-veto-pro-mercury-pollution-resolution/" rel="nofollow">Obama flips Inhofe the bird.</a> Someone needs to get their money back from Willie Soon (still convinced they thought they were funding a project on Mercury, not mercury).J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10683350271869454782012-06-19T17:16:08.424-04:002012-06-19T17:16:08.424-04:00I always chuckle warmly when Lumpass prattles on a...I always chuckle warmly when Lumpass prattles on about "300% feedback", too clueless to even notice how far off his math is.<br /><br />There he goes again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com