tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post4469329323636919557..comments2024-03-18T03:27:18.777-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Denialists denied againEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-46270626752547856222010-08-26T21:19:17.269-04:002010-08-26T21:19:17.269-04:00The independent inquiry headed by James Delingpole...The independent inquiry headed by James Delingpole on the Climate Research Unit has <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">reported</a>. The many charges against the CRU were emphatically affirmed by the inquiry. Above, Nelson well expresses our views on this failed alarmist conspiracy.Macainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32970379073423725452010-04-18T08:49:37.896-04:002010-04-18T08:49:37.896-04:00John Cook explores the Trenberth and Fasullo paper...John Cook explores the Trenberth and Fasullo paper:<br /><br />http://www.skepticalscience.com/Tracking-the-energy-from-global-warming.htmlDeech56https://www.blogger.com/profile/01075060714218498521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-492676016691918722010-04-18T08:32:30.315-04:002010-04-18T08:32:30.315-04:00McIntyre didn't leave the "deplore" ...McIntyre didn't leave the "deplore" part in the quote mine - <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburgh-on-proxy-reconstructions/" rel="nofollow">he thought it was useful</a>:<br /><br /><i>They “deplore the tone of much of the criticism that has been directed at CRU” – again without providing any examples. Hypocritically, they ignore the “tone” of remarks within the Climategate letters, the language that has appalled the public. If they are going to complain about the mote in their brother’s eye, they should first remove the beam in their own.</i><br /><br />Personally I think there is a difference between saying/writing something in a private conversation and publishing something on your blog for the whole world to read...Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50655844483261835522010-04-17T09:43:46.463-04:002010-04-17T09:43:46.463-04:00Even better, Eli won't put the sound back on:)...Even better, Eli won't put the sound back on:)EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40365106068999494602010-04-17T06:30:04.782-04:002010-04-17T06:30:04.782-04:00papertiger, one might take away the message that T...papertiger, one might take away the message that Trenberth believes that current measurement methods do not allow us to fully track the energy budget.<br /><br />Eli - you got linked by Atrios. May be time to dust off the welcome mat and put a few more alfalfa cubes out in case any guests show up.Deech56https://www.blogger.com/profile/01075060714218498521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7700191730992864202010-04-17T00:32:32.381-04:002010-04-17T00:32:32.381-04:00Oh, there it isOh, <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/04/12/global-cooling-hottest-march-on-record-nasa-uah-rss-satellite-data/" rel="nofollow">there it is</a>EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12073814824919991002010-04-17T00:31:48.439-04:002010-04-17T00:31:48.439-04:00Inspector Magoo couldn't find any malfeasance ...Inspector Magoo couldn't find any malfeasance - so instead of checking the prescription on his glasses - or urging the culprits to honor the law and the spirit of scientific enqiry - Magoo recommends the law be altered to protect the guilty.<br /><br /><br />I hope so. I hope the UK government pushes through the protection of global warming science act immunizing Jones and Briff from ever coming forth with their data due to FOI, <br />over the howls of protest.<br /><br />Ever hear the story of Oliver Cromwell?papertigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233780822178325215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67271730308024577562010-04-17T00:16:02.111-04:002010-04-17T00:16:02.111-04:00Where has that heat got off to?
Let's look u...Where has that heat got off to? <br /><br />Let's look under the ocean.<br /><br />Oops - not under there.<br /><br />Let's look in the sky.<br /><br />Not there either.<br /><br /><i>It's got to be here <br />this I know.<br />Cause climate models<br />tell me so</i>papertigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233780822178325215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28548771129863712462010-04-16T10:11:20.429-04:002010-04-16T10:11:20.429-04:00In other related events, Trenberth and Fasullo hav...In other related events, Trenberth and Fasullo have a Perspectives piece in <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/328/5976/316?sa_campaign=Email/toc/16-April-2010/10.1126/science.1187272" rel="nofollow">Science</a> in which they discuss the earth's energy budget. <br /><br /><i>Existing observing systems can measure all the required quantities, but it nevertheless remains a challenge to obtain closure of the energy budget. This inability to properly track energy—due to either inadequate measurement accuracy or inadequate data processing—has implications for understanding and predicting future climate. </i> <br /><br />It's a travesty, I tells ya.Deech56https://www.blogger.com/profile/01075060714218498521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83410735167055293852010-04-16T07:42:56.413-04:002010-04-16T07:42:56.413-04:00Keith Briffa (dendochronology), Phil Jones (surfac...<i><b>Keith Briffa (dendochronology)</b>, Phil Jones (surface temperature reconstructions) and their colleagues had been accused of data murder and rape by the usual suspects. The Inquiry finds these accusations to be infamous lies.</i><br /><br />You think Connolley will let Briff have his wiki entry back now?papertigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233780822178325215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12486498720161453202010-04-15T22:25:15.174-04:002010-04-15T22:25:15.174-04:00"Of course its OK to use a "trick" ..."Of course its OK to use a "trick" to "hide the decline" if you're and idiot."<br /><br />I'm confused....., then why would markeymouse have any problem with using a trick to hide a decline?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15745723472626236282010-04-15T22:20:42.505-04:002010-04-15T22:20:42.505-04:00"UPDATE: Time to kill the noise"
Past ..."UPDATE: Time to kill the noise"<br /><br />Past time, thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-60588759258670893742010-04-15T17:17:36.666-04:002010-04-15T17:17:36.666-04:00> George Monbiot will call it white wash
Almos...> George Monbiot will call it white wash<br /><br />Almost unbelievable that no one finds that an unbelievable prediction now. George has pushed the denial wagon more than most over the last few months. :/<br /><br />And then there's Fred Pearce. A more cynical and less charitable person than I might suggest he needs to keep pushing a particular narrative because he has a book on its way that describes that narrative.<br /><br />Sad times at the Grauniad.DavidCOGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39057450410117522462010-04-15T16:13:18.716-04:002010-04-15T16:13:18.716-04:00MarkeyMouse says: Of course its OK to use a "...MarkeyMouse says: Of course its OK to use a "trick" to "hide the decline" if you're and idiot.<br /><br />Don't you people realise that as long as massive change to nuclear power is UK Public Policy, the Government will see to it that CO2 is vilified, so as to drive public opinion to be accepting of Nuclear Power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50666325750819881622010-04-15T12:01:17.172-04:002010-04-15T12:01:17.172-04:00"Mr McIntyre has a response on his blog now.&..."Mr McIntyre has a response on his blog now." Looks like 3 of them (plus a pre-post) are up now.Deech56https://www.blogger.com/profile/01075060714218498521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23305510768961409192010-04-15T09:42:18.938-04:002010-04-15T09:42:18.938-04:00AndyD:"You'd think that after having seve...AndyD:"You'd think that after having several hundred people examine these emails for several months without finding anything particularly incriminating, they would have given up by now."<br /><br />Hey, do you want to take away the only research program they have?TheChemistryOfBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04228308036995626376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70258920201915720702010-04-15T08:28:12.813-04:002010-04-15T08:28:12.813-04:00Martin -
Yes, I've often found that when deba...Martin -<br /><br />Yes, I've often found that when debating denialists of many stripes you often end up having to construct both sides of the argument...<br /><br />Mr McIntyre has a response on his blog now. First glance suggests that he's upset that they don't take his blog posts as gospel truth. Shame.<br /><br />You'd think that after having several hundred people examine these emails for several months without finding anything particularly incriminating, they would have given up by now. Apparently now.AndyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37302271941898196142010-04-15T07:18:28.838-04:002010-04-15T07:18:28.838-04:00It reminds me of Judge Jones' evisceration of ...It reminds me of Judge Jones' evisceration of the intelligent designers in the 2005 Dover case. Anyone with critical thinking skills can see the attacks on science for what they are.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5643868606437570732010-04-15T02:35:30.311-04:002010-04-15T02:35:30.311-04:00Anybody surprised? This is what you get when you a...Anybody surprised? This is what you get when you ask competent people to review silly accusations. It was the same with the Mann investigation, though sillier still: the investigators had to invent -- or "synthesize" -- the silly accusations themselves, as the ones out there weren't coherent enough for government use.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65837304443415955862010-04-14T19:52:05.840-04:002010-04-14T19:52:05.840-04:00Mostly it's the time needed to record everythi...Mostly it's the time needed to record everything in huge detail. There are answers to this but they are very expensive (computerized lab notebook systems) and beyond the understanding of old folkEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13771139507176492542010-04-14T18:48:57.356-04:002010-04-14T18:48:57.356-04:00Sorry, post at 3:30 pm was by MapleLeaf.
MapleLea...Sorry, post at 3:30 pm was by MapleLeaf.<br /><br />MapleLeafAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40387352763215827402010-04-14T18:30:17.350-04:002010-04-14T18:30:17.350-04:00I liked this:
"Yet climate scientist Myles A...I liked this:<br /><br />"Yet climate scientist Myles Allen of the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, is cautious about the panel's call for improved bookkeeping so that others can later review a body's work: "Science generally progresses by taking different approaches to problems and either confirming or refuting published results, not by 'auditing' old calculations. There is a danger that if climate science starts to be treated as a bookkeeping exercise, this would actually impede progress in understanding how the real Earth system works."<br /><br />http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/04/oxburgh-report-clears-controvers.html?rss=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69858934232855111692010-04-14T17:49:50.083-04:002010-04-14T17:49:50.083-04:00"We believe that CRU did a public service of ..."We believe that CRU did a public service of great value by carrying out much time-consuming meticulous work on temperature records at a time when it was unfashionable and attracted the interest of a rather small section of the scientific community."<br /><br />I'm troubled Eli. How do we reconcile this observation with the critically important memes:<br /><br />a) groupthink?<br /><br />and <br /><br />b) Follow the money?Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934312179608056908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77048208419653157722010-04-14T16:35:30.126-04:002010-04-14T16:35:30.126-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Horatio Algeranonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988805467080448954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-17490696632928015642010-04-14T16:27:27.271-04:002010-04-14T16:27:27.271-04:00This excerpt from http://www.latimes.com/news/cust...This excerpt from http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/topofthetimes/world/la-fg-climate-data15-2010apr15,0,4480601.story pretty much sums it up:<br /><i><br />"The fact is we found them absolutely squeaky clean," the head of the panel, Ron Oxburgh, a geologist and former government advisor, told the BBC. He added that some of the criticism by skeptics, who pointed to the hacked e-mails as proof of a massive scientific cover-up, was "just plain nasty and ill-informed."<br /></i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com