tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post4280018830754348356..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Listing what Schnare gets right might be easierEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74726234003676760232016-03-28T22:15:09.788-04:002016-03-28T22:15:09.788-04:00Thon left out (C):
And that , therefore, you sh...Thon left out (C): <br /><br />And that , therefore, you should let their opponents tell you what to read, say , think , and do.<br /><br /><i>caveat lector</i>THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54510343060805216822016-03-27T21:39:13.234-04:002016-03-27T21:39:13.234-04:00Brian, the bit I quoted is not about environmental...Brian, the bit I quoted is not about environmental concerns. The speech continues:<br /><br />"We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage.<br /><br />We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."<br /><br />Husbanding material resources for US Political and 'spiritual' sustainability is how I read it.<br /><br />Irritation with their mendaciousness marred my thinking and my point. I should have at least scanned the filing. Alastair is right that just because Ike said it doesn't make it true, but the Eisenhower ref is preambular, so I guess providing some 'context' is acceptable per se.<br /><br />I see that they reference climateaudit.org to demonstrate an FOI request (footnote 20, page 35). Is this permissible evidence?barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419101193566520809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52156194045926808392016-03-27T14:54:04.804-04:002016-03-27T14:54:04.804-04:00Brian,
I also noted the "live only for today...Brian,<br /><br />I also noted the "live only for today" section. But it is not just Americans who should avoid that, although they seem to be the most guilty.<br /><br />Just because Ike said it does not make it true. It is true in any case. So whether he was referring to "environmental concerns, resource depletion more specifically, or just fiscal prudence" is irrelevant. What matters is that we have to stop plundering all three.Alastairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15152292130415788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62456126374897501372016-03-27T14:29:41.151-04:002016-03-27T14:29:41.151-04:00Hi Barry, I thought that section of the speech was...Hi Barry, I thought that section of the speech was interesting too. I'm not sure if Ike was referring to environmental concerns, resource depletion more specifically, or just fiscal prudence. That would be interesting to look up for more context.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10704820235857255212016-03-27T10:47:39.049-04:002016-03-27T10:47:39.049-04:00Eisenhower also said in that famous address:
&quo...Eisenhower also said in that famous address:<br /><br />"As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow."<br /><br />Lots of underlining in that '<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Eisenhower_Farewell_Address_reading_copy.djvu/20" rel="nofollow">section</a>,' too.<br /><br />Anyone can quote mine.barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419101193566520809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88182371240992707572016-03-27T01:58:05.555-04:002016-03-27T01:58:05.555-04:00I looked a few pages further on as recommended. Ei...I looked a few pages further on as recommended. Eisenhower underlined the key phrases in EVERY sentence (well, almost, according to the Rabbett). Unsurprising prep for public speaking.<br /><br />Is Schnare so desperate to be this dishonest?barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419101193566520809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14641040316778903322016-03-26T14:44:45.679-04:002016-03-26T14:44:45.679-04:00Thanks BrianThanks Brianjrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1201813587835983402016-03-26T14:27:42.204-04:002016-03-26T14:27:42.204-04:00As to how courts react to errors, it probably vari...As to how courts react to errors, it probably varies by judge. My correction might be viewed as nitpicking, although judges never like the first mistake - making an assertion backed by a citation that doesn't actually support it - because not all citations get checked. It goes to how much weight the court should put on the attorney's arguments. I think it's virtually certain that Schnare knows his assertion wasn't backed up by the link he cited, so that's bad.<br /><br />I think John Mashey's catch is a little more fundamental and worth calling out, although alone it's not fatal to their argument. And if there are a bunch more of these errors, the court is likely to get annoyed.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88095449190687113012016-03-26T13:58:43.122-04:002016-03-26T13:58:43.122-04:00At the time Eisenhower prepared his address, there...At the time Eisenhower prepared his address, there was a widely held perception that experts would increasingly hold the levers of power. Although the Technocracy movement, the most extreme expression of the idea, had faded by the 1950s, the US government had become preoccupied with contentious and complex military issues, such as nuclear weapons, the doctrine for their use and delivery systems; these and other issues had fundamental implications for the allocation of economic resources and pursuit of foreign policy.<br /><br />Since then, the pendulum has really swung the other way. Various political, business, religious and media factions have done an effective job of convincing people that <br /><br />(a) the experts don't agree on anything, are peddling snake oil, and, in any case, don't know anything.<br />(b) it is perfectly reasonable to decide that the truth is whatever fits your preconceived notions (evolution, vaccines, climate change, pollution...).Thon Taddeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145437277658817404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1779952329213182072016-03-26T10:26:11.153-04:002016-03-26T10:26:11.153-04:00I like Ike.I like Ike.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77987625339424864842016-03-26T09:57:13.458-04:002016-03-26T09:57:13.458-04:00IANAL, how does the court look on these "inac...IANAL, how does the court look on these "inaccuracies"?jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32731964616235691662016-03-26T02:51:43.073-04:002016-03-26T02:51:43.073-04:00Fools tread...Fools tread...David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83102597452488329672016-03-25T18:23:01.486-04:002016-03-25T18:23:01.486-04:00Good catch!
Note: I don't think it's just...Good catch!<br /><br />Note: I don't think it's just laziness when Schnare claims emphasis in originals.JohnMasheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08174651130367553996noreply@blogger.com