tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post383204512935944955..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The bully pulpit gets its best-case test with same sex marriageEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80353044733529386522012-06-08T09:48:00.458-04:002012-06-08T09:48:00.458-04:00If we could go back to the beginning of time and d...If we could go back to the beginning of time and divorce all matters civil from all matters religious, I would be all for it. Lacking a time machine, not to mention an effective means of persuading pre-literate, bronze-age shepherds that their integration of religious and civil power would one day bring about the downfall of a superpower, I am afraid we must persevere with the system we have and make it work.<br /><br />Like it or not, marriage is a civil entity, whether or not it is also a religious one. The choices I see are as follows:<br />1)Civil Unions--great solution if we can convince ourselves to ignore all of our history that teaches us that seperate is inherently unequal.<br /><br />2)Marriage equality--which makes sense unless you insist on having your religious bigotry enshrined in civil law.<br /><br />There is no discussion of forcing religions who disapprove of same-sex unions to perform weddings for same.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67988975068053343832012-06-08T01:30:45.610-04:002012-06-08T01:30:45.610-04:00I don't think it's going to help them too ...I don't think it's going to help them too much in WA. We'll see.<br /><br />I wouldn't have any problem renaming civil marriages as something else to overcome religious objections. I don't think that's going to be the endgame though.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70490520829850284552012-06-07T15:56:46.369-04:002012-06-07T15:56:46.369-04:00Further to comment #1, here in Washington there wi...Further to comment #1, here in Washington there will now be an initiative on the November ballot to repeal WA's recently enacted marriage equality bill, undoubtedly moving election results in the favor of plutocrats. "As long as I'm voting for state-sanctioned religious dogma I may as well also vote for whatever superpac has deceived me most effectively."<br /><br />Marriage needs to be divorced from law. The weird chimera of contract law and religion we're now arguing over needs to be separated into its constituent bits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72971934446932657922012-06-04T23:18:27.557-04:002012-06-04T23:18:27.557-04:00I've always thought of the gay marriage thing ...I've always thought of the gay marriage thing as being a handy ploy for GOP plutocrats to motivate their base of serfs come election time. <br /><br />I remember trying to sum up for some Norwegians how exactly it was that we elected GWB not only once (sort of) but twice. "Gay marriage" was the best I could do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com