tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post3608324185326369872..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Ups and DownsEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-265491915389816332016-03-31T22:42:07.383-04:002016-03-31T22:42:07.383-04:00Niptickery: "Nick Stoke's Moyhu" in...Niptickery: "Nick Stoke's Moyhu" in the sidebar<br /><br />s'Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49292340119014919582016-01-18T20:33:20.323-05:002016-01-18T20:33:20.323-05:00Forgot to link the link bobo2016:
http://vortex.n...Forgot to link the link bobo2016:<br /><br />http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/<br /><br />[Beta6 and older versions can all be accessed from this page at UAH. 't2lt' for 5.6, and the other is easily seen.]barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419101193566520809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2657793107007394142016-01-18T17:05:06.265-05:002016-01-18T17:05:06.265-05:00Last I swear it thought on this:
http://aqicn.org/...Last I swear it thought on this:<br />http://aqicn.org/map/<br /><br />air quality index maps for various continentsHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88664770992784776702016-01-18T09:08:25.050-05:002016-01-18T09:08:25.050-05:00bobo2016,
Beta6 and older versions can all be acc...bobo2016,<br /><br />Beta6 and older versions can all be accessed from this page at UAH. 't2lt' for 5.6, and the other is easily seen.barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419101193566520809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79114206134271898142016-01-17T00:12:47.284-05:002016-01-17T00:12:47.284-05:00So, CIP, EFS, on the one hand, you seem to have bo...So, CIP, EFS, on the one hand, you seem to have bought into the idea that climate disruption remedies should not be pursued until there is <i>observational</i> evidence in the series "proving" impact of CO2 upon climate. On the other, you seem to throw every conceivable doubt-regarding-methodology into the path of observational vehicles for assessing climate measurements which yield a result other than warming. How do you justify this?<br /><br />If I or someone were to throw a bunch of these observational vehicles into a blind bag and pick them for assessment, independent of what they say, would not <em>you</em> accept their results? Seriously, the posterior distribution of the outcome of an estimate of warming should not be conditional upon the range of that warming. It should be independent of it. Don't you agree? And if you do not, why not? And if you pretend to be rational, what are these other things you condition on? <br /><br />And what if the prediction of warming does not depend, primarily, upon observational evidence, but, rather, come from physical theory?Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48627040313280616212016-01-16T20:37:08.470-05:002016-01-16T20:37:08.470-05:00Eli,
The data at the UAH website is 5.6. The repo...Eli,<br /><br />The data at the UAH website is 5.6. The report seems to be using the unpublished 6.0beta4 data that is only available from Roy Spencer's website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86613342876206582452016-01-16T20:04:22.256-05:002016-01-16T20:04:22.256-05:00Might be the change over from 5.6 to 6.0 in their ...Might be the change over from 5.6 to 6.0 in their algorithm??EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77712265450851565992016-01-16T19:13:03.806-05:002016-01-16T19:13:03.806-05:00Eli,
I you visit the UAH page
http://nsstc.uah.e...Eli,<br /><br />I you visit the UAH page <br />http://nsstc.uah.edu/climate/<br />and download the December 2015 Global Temperature Report, you will notice that there is a list of the top 5 warmest years according to UAH data. On the same UAH page is a link entitled "Monthly Average Data".<br />If you calculate the average temperatures using this data you will find that although the order of hottest 3 years is the same, the orders of the fourth ad fifth are not. Moreover the anomalies are different.<br /><br />Something odd is going on!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70016547584015310842016-01-16T14:05:13.488-05:002016-01-16T14:05:13.488-05:00...and yes... it could be that it affects the diur......and yes... it could be that it affects the diurnal drift near the black clouds coming out of India and China... and the 5.6 data from UAH is telling us how much of it is a difference in location... ? OK... I'm done. No more speculation. <br /><br />I'm going to wait for Eli and Tamino and Nick Stokes to get together with Po-Chedley to do a paper that clearly needs doing. bjchiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09064437293931256675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6330273061637365162016-01-16T13:58:32.386-05:002016-01-16T13:58:32.386-05:00The difference between 5.6 and 6 has to do with th...The difference between 5.6 and 6 has to do with the fact that UAH USED to do this — “UAH does not yet correct the diurnal drift for satellites carrying Advanced Microwave Sounding Units because they attempt to use these satellites during periods when the diurnal drift is small.”<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/mar/25/one-satellite-data-set-is-underestimating-global-warming<br /><br />Now they are using a diurnal drift correction – but this got them closer to the RSS than to the CRUtemp…<br /><br />So there is something affecting the diurnal drift, if eliminating it effectively gets rid of the problem.<br /><br />respectfully <br />bjchipbjchiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09064437293931256675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28512908789814277072016-01-15T15:30:38.826-05:002016-01-15T15:30:38.826-05:00OK, humor me a bit longer with my amateur guess. ...OK, humor me a bit longer with my amateur guess. Tamino says:<br />"... Thermometers didn’t change how they measure temperature, nor balloons how they rise through the atmosphere. But satellite instruments have gone through many changes, satellite orbits have altered, and the satellites themselves change over time. I strongly suspect that there’s a serious problem with the satellite data after about the year 2000, as indicated by their divergence from thermometer data...."<br /><br />Asking again, hoping someone knows -- did the atmosphere change, particularly locally? I look at the DSCOVR imagery showing that dark gray cloud moving around north and eastward from India, day after day.<br /><br />And I wonder -- are balloon data being taken from that area?<br />If not, it'd be the satellites that would be looking down on that dark gray cloud -- would they get a different result incorporating that in a global result, than the balloon data would?<br /><br />I dunno. Maybe weather balloon coverage is thoroughly understood but not by me.<br /><br />Over the past 15 years, how has the atmosphere changed there?Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15062397451802453442016-01-14T21:32:11.903-05:002016-01-14T21:32:11.903-05:00"It's either the lapse rate feedback or t..."<i>It's either the lapse rate feedback or the surface data is being tweaked by gnomes inside NOAA.</i>"<br /><br />FL, seriously?!<br /><br />Or are you a denialist Turing test programmed to exhibit the <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Engineers_and_woo" rel="nofollow">Dunning-Kruger aspect of the Salem hypothesis</a>?Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26405142002791320702016-01-14T16:41:26.956-05:002016-01-14T16:41:26.956-05:00KAP, what Eli is trying to show is the nature of t...KAP, what Eli is trying to show is the nature of the instrumentation issues. Pretty clearly, based on the data, it is a long term drift somewhere.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67445870537621247622016-01-14T16:00:20.362-05:002016-01-14T16:00:20.362-05:00See Tamino's post for a direct comparison of R...See Tamino's post for a direct comparison of RSS vs. balloon-borne (RATPAC) observations at similar altitudes, which provides fairly solid evidence that there are instrumentation issues here -- not saying for sure who's right, though I have my suspicions.<br /><br />https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/exogenous-redux/KAPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11189506171267750391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6737067856943854312016-01-14T11:05:34.968-05:002016-01-14T11:05:34.968-05:00I suggest considering that the atmosphere is chang...I suggest considering that the atmosphere is changing -- specifically the aerosol burden. Have you looked at India in the DSCOVR imagery? I am just guessing that the dark gray atmosphere <br />http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/epic-archive/png/epic_1b_20160112054633_00.png<br />(big image)<br />that moves around, sometimes up to the edge of the Himalayas, sometimes further south over the ocean, is burdened with coal smoke -- and that this is changing fast enough to kerfloozle someone's satellite results. There would be the same issue for the atmosphere coming from northeast China, tho' that will be imaged better in six months.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74373768918509603512016-01-14T07:16:42.003-05:002016-01-14T07:16:42.003-05:00I dont think its drift. It's either the lapse ...I dont think its drift. It's either the lapse rate feedback or the surface data is being tweaked by gnomes inside NOAA. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28511124698719528572016-01-14T00:39:18.157-05:002016-01-14T00:39:18.157-05:00CIP is spot on, in the sense that many of the of t...CIP is spot on, in the sense that many of the of the same denial talking points applied to the SAT can also be thrown at the TLT.<br /><br />So, for example, it's hard to argue that the TLT time series are not 'homogenized' in many ways similar to the SAT time series (e. g. TOBS and the satellite diurnal correction).<br /><br />Though, the real denier kicker is "I want the TLT source code" from UAH.<br /><br />I am the TLT Auditor.<br /><br />I'm desperately trying NOT to fall into those same types of arguments, but the 'slippery slope' of TLT trend denial is haunting me, seriously.<br /><br />On another note though, I am looking at all the global indices systematically, doing some (well actually a lot of) lagged correlations between TLT and SAT (raw time series), some (well actually a lot of) FIR and IIR filtering, to visualize the temporal structural similarities and differences of TLT relative to SAT (or vice versa). Some FFT's also.<br /><br />For me, at least, this all will take a while. :(Everett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69730595241473636442016-01-13T23:52:02.434-05:002016-01-13T23:52:02.434-05:00Any denialist worth his non-vaccination could tell...Any denialist worth his non-vaccination could tell you what is the matter with your logic. Changing "corrections" have been applied to the data. {and that is actually true for both surface and satellite date}. <br /><br />It's at least possible that there is a real divergence between surface temperatures and the average over the troposphere and parts of the stratosphere measured by the satellites.CapitalistImperialistPighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17523405806602731435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35304056659838860532016-01-13T22:54:52.166-05:002016-01-13T22:54:52.166-05:00"The surface record analysis is simpler and a..."<i>The surface record analysis is simpler and a drift would require correlation between drifts at many stations using different instruments that are calibrated on site."</i><br /><br />But Watts et al 2015 *have* found the surface station drift!<br /><br />How soon we forget. Scratch that. How soon *you* forget. Since Watts et al's AGU poster *I* no longer subscribe to the common misperception of the surface temp data. C'mon, get with program .... it's heat sinks and microsites all the way down.Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.com