tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post1163632182998475327..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Came up empty and got dissedEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66274194042767364622010-01-25T23:41:46.921-05:002010-01-25T23:41:46.921-05:00"It can search "text" in a pdf file..."It can search "text" in a pdf file, it cannot search text that has been scanned and inserted as an "image" in a pdf file, as in this case."<br /><br />Well, then, maybe it wouldn't hurt for people to be specific, would it?<br /><br />Same would be true whatever document format it was embedded into.dhogazahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589109126483161671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76541271397950369712010-01-25T22:10:27.476-05:002010-01-25T22:10:27.476-05:00dhogaza said
"Huh, my copy of Acrobat can se...dhogaza said<br /><br />"Huh, my copy of Acrobat can search PDF files just fine."<br /><br />It can search "text" in a pdf file, it cannot search text that has been scanned and inserted as an "image" in a pdf file, as in this case.<br /><br />A diet of rabbit stew is obviously not good for you;)Carmen Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38335852729439580142010-01-23T11:51:34.288-05:002010-01-23T11:51:34.288-05:00MarkeyMouse says. Back in the real world:
Jere Kr...MarkeyMouse says. Back in the real world:<br /><br />Jere Krischel<br />Posted Jan 23, 2010 at 2:12 AM | Permalink | ReplyWow. Steve, you’re a god damn saint for all the crap you’ve put up with from these yahoos. Thank you from the bottom of my heart on behalf of every human on the planet for calmly, rationally, and rightfully holding their feet to the harsh fire of truth.<br /><br />Some say that one man can’t make a difference – you keep proving them wrong again and again and again.<br /><br />Mahalo nui loa!<br /><br /> Craig Loehle<br />Posted Jan 23, 2010 at 9:49 AM | Permalink | ReplyI second that. I get about 1% of the crap that Steve gets, being only a minor jester to these guys, and it turns my stomach sometimes. http://climateaudit.org/2010/01/23/nasa-hide-this-after-jim-checks-it/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5147095340570450232010-01-23T11:30:04.903-05:002010-01-23T11:30:04.903-05:00Regarding FOI. Not sure of Canadian law, but under...Regarding FOI. Not sure of Canadian law, but under U.S. law, just having a university mail address does not allow your emails to be FOIA'd. You would have to be an employee of the university. For example, students often have univ. email addresses, but you could not FOIA them, unless they were actually doing some type of official univ. business. The purpose of FOIA is to make transparent the activities of public employees doing the public's business. Docs. can only be requested that clearly pertain to public business and the request has to make clear that distinction to eliminate fishing expeditions into someone's personal affairs.Douglas Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686351092076044875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54046431117532188062010-01-23T11:24:06.676-05:002010-01-23T11:24:06.676-05:00""But one of the nice things about havin...""But one of the nice things about having a blog that gets a million and half hits a month is that I then was able to publicize this block in real-time and they very quickly withdrew their position and allowed me to have access."<br />--<br /><br />Well, no. Exactly the opposite. They politely asked him to do this at times of non-peak traffic since he was messing up the server by doing it during the day. The moral I draw here is that Goddard was bending over backwards to accommodate McIntyre even though his initial actions and remonstrations were suff. to warrant a less obliging response.Douglas Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686351092076044875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80283552574261006212010-01-19T13:53:10.890-05:002010-01-19T13:53:10.890-05:00The funny thing about this discussion is that we a...The funny thing about this discussion is that we are expected to accept McIntyre's interpretation of his words in the interview and emails, and his explanation of the spin he put on events, especially in the interview, which was geared for a public audience, of course, not just a communication between a couple of people as emails usually are.<br /><br />These same people not only do not accept the explanation by the scientists of words taken out of context from stolen emails, they vilify and attack people based on the distortions they make of their words, and apparently even write books purporting to find all sorts of fraud and conspiracy.<br /><br />Bizarre and hypocritical.Johnmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04302268070772034038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38944190926960159532010-01-19T12:59:31.302-05:002010-01-19T12:59:31.302-05:00@Mark:
"But one of the nice things about havi...@Mark:<br />"But one of the nice things about having a blog that gets a million and half hits a month is that I then was able to publicize this block in real-time and they very quickly withdrew their position and allowed me to have access."<br /><br />There we go, his claim to fame as his explanation NASA took action.Marcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262670367947223521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77922001220658338292010-01-19T10:03:56.418-05:002010-01-19T10:03:56.418-05:00Mark says:
And would it really matter? I think not...Mark says:<br /><i>And would it really matter? I think not.</i><br /><br />A quote that McIntyre might consider having tatooed on the inside of his eyelids, I might add.Jim Bouldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062200124702011010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90080316987824330682010-01-19T09:39:19.841-05:002010-01-19T09:39:19.841-05:00Marco: Uor link to townhall.com doesn't seem t...Marco: Uor link to townhall.com doesn't seem to contain anything to support your assertion that, "It still does not alter McIntyre's unproven assertion (townhall-interview) that being McIntyre helped to get NASA to take action." And would it really matter? I think not.Webmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05531100027334288058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68673651352420615842010-01-19T08:13:40.561-05:002010-01-19T08:13:40.561-05:00Mark, I told you to try to not be an idiot in publ...Mark, I told you to try to not be an idiot in public. Or was that the other Mark? I mean, at least give it a try man, you might like it!<br /><br />1. Global warming is concerned with...ready?...<i>global</i> temperatures, not N. American, or any other restricted geographic area for that matter. And, NO analysis shows the 1930s to be the warmist decade.<br /><br />2. The Urban Heat Island effect does <i>not</i> affect the global temperature increase over the 20th C, as has been clearly demonstrated both by leaving out questionable stations, and by the magnitude of the correction at such stations if they are left in.<br /><br />3. When you use the word "fraud" you are making an accusation about the intent of a scientist. Are you aware of this fact? An accusation which you know nothing whatsoever about, because you neither know Mike Mann, nor understand why he used the analysis methods he did. Oh, and by the way, the Wegman Report is a joke. Try the National Research Council's instead. But then that doesn't give you the result you want to hear, does it?<br /><br />4. I'm not wading into another of McIntyre's trails that disappears in the weeds (done that too much already), but he clearly doesn't understand the whole concept of "robust" analysis. This is why he goes off on things like the method of principal components used by Mike Mann, and the exact tree cores used by Keith Briffa in an isolated area of Siberia, even though the original analyses were targeted at the hemispheric to global scales.Jim Bouldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062200124702011010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55880906011821406952010-01-19T07:32:06.800-05:002010-01-19T07:32:06.800-05:00@Steven:
First of all, the code for GISTEMP can be...@Steven:<br />First of all, the code for GISTEMP can be downloaded, and it shows exactly what data is being used. No need for McIntyre to demand NASA give their copies, since they are the same. Of course, the problems with the source linking only affected 2000 and beyond, and within a few hours, suddenly ALL of the data of GISTEMP was declared suspect (make that "wrong").<br /><br />It still does not alter McIntyre's unproven assertion (townhall-interview) that being McIntyre helped to get NASA to take action.Marcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262670367947223521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23923768668880394392010-01-19T06:09:07.387-05:002010-01-19T06:09:07.387-05:00Jim Bouldin.
North American temps were as warm i...Jim Bouldin. <br /><br />North American temps were as warm in the 30' http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.lrg.gif<br /><br />About UHI http://climateaudit.org/2009/01/20/realclimate-and-disinformation-on-uhi/<br /><br />Mann fraud described in Wegman report to US Congress http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/WegmanReport.pdf<br /><br />Lack of robustness http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/23/cant-see-the-signal-for-the-trees/Webmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05531100027334288058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9019711091855935622010-01-19T03:37:49.029-05:002010-01-19T03:37:49.029-05:00Hi marco.
The FINAL TWIST.
GISS claimed to get d...Hi marco.<br /><br />The FINAL TWIST.<br /><br />GISS claimed to get data from GHCN<br />To audit this and the adjustments they claimed to<br />make he requested the raw data they used ( which should match GHCN) and the code.<br /><br />They finally gave access to the data BUT not the code.<br /><br />This is MAY.<br /><br />Then later the Y2K problem happens.<br /><br />Now remember one of the reasons for getting the raw data from GISS is to check on how they ingest the data. To do this right you want the code.<br />But we didnt have access to the code<br /><br />Steve Writes<br /><br />The first three panels of the figure compare the GISS raw version to three USHCN versions: “raw”, time-of-observation adjusted (TOBS) and adjusted (filnet). In 1951, the Detroit Lakes station moved from the back yards of DL 2.1 NNE to KDLM radio station. For the period 1951-1999, the GISS raw version is virtually identical to the USHCN adjusted version (which in turn is virtually equal to the TOBS version.)<br />But look at what happens in 2000. The input version at GISS switches from the USHCN adjusted/TOBS version to the USHCN raw version (without time-of-observation adjustment). This imparts an upward discontinuity of a deg C in wintertime and 0.8 deg C annually. I checked the monthly data and determined that the discontinuity occurred on January 2000 – and, to that extent, appears to be a Y2K problem. I presume that this is a programming error.<br /><br />Then of course it turns out that he was right.<br /><br /><br />You see? basic quality control check.stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920897530071011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82499682685055035302010-01-19T03:28:30.785-05:002010-01-19T03:28:30.785-05:00Marco
read more closely. I say the same things t...Marco<br /><br />read more closely. I say the same things to McIntyre readers who misrepresent what he writes. twnhall:<br /><br />“this led to a bit of a fight with NASA in May. As I started downloading the data in sequence they cut off my access to the data.”<br /><br />“They blocked my IP address,” <br /><br />true<br /><br /><br />“After I was blocked and I explained myself they still didn’t want to let me have access to the data,” McIntyre lamented.<br /><br /> true:<br /><br />NASA:<br />If you are indeed the person who has been running that particular web robot, and if you do need access to some large amount of the GISTEMP station ..., then you should contact the GISTEMP research group to explain your needs. E-mail addresses for the GISTEMP research group are located at the bottom of the page at...<br /><br />STEVE:<br />Dear Dr Ruedy, I have been unable to locate an organized file of station data as used by GISS (such as is available from GHCN). In the absence of such a file, I attempted to download data on all the stations using a script in R. <br /><br />STEVE:<br />I am blocked from access to the page where the email addresses are located.<br />How can I download the data then?<br /><br />NASA:<br />Good point. That was foolish of me to suggest checking a page on which access had been turned off.<br /> <br />NASA:<br /><br /><br />Please contact the GISTEMP group and inquire if they are willing to provide you with the dataset(s) from which the website applications extract information.<br />If they are not (I do not know what their current policy on this), then you can go a step closer to the source and obtain station data from the same location that the GISTEMP group obtains the original “raw” datasets that they work from. That is the Global Historical Climatology Network....<br /><br />NASA:<br /><br />... If you are interested in individual stations, you are much better off working directly with the GHCN data.<br />Our station data are really intermediate steps to obtain a global anomaly map, and are not to be viewed as an end result. <br />...<br />If you still think that downloading our “scratch pads” is important to your investigations, please let me know exactly what stage after the raw GHCN data you need and maybe an indication why you need it, and I’ll try to provide you with the necessary data.<br /><br />NOW lets return to the rest of twnhall:<br /><br /> “They just said go look at the original data. And I said no, I want to see the data you used. I know what the original data looks like. I want to see the data that you used. .."<br /><br /><br />Since you appear to not understand all the issues involved Let me see if I can explain simply.<br /><br />GHCN has a variety of data in a variety of stages<br />Raw, adusted a little, adjusted more, adjusted for urban effects.<br /><br />GISS CLAIMS that it ingests this data after certain adjustment stages. So, the FIRST check that you want to do is to check the following:<br /><br />GISS claim to ingest version X from GHCN<br />step 1: get version X from GHCN (easy)<br />Step 2: get what NASA thinks it retrived.<br />step 3: Compare.<br /><br />So steve was retriving, station by station what NASA had on its site. ( what it claims it gets from GHCN) That was slow. So he wrote a script in R to automate the process. you follow? get it?<br /><br />They shut down that IP<br />He contacted them<br />They said contact the researchers and look at the mail contacts for further info.<br />He did that, BUT he was still blocked from that site.<br />The webmaster apologized.<br />Steve then got responses from people saying<br />"go to GHCN" that is where WE got it.<br /><br />1. steve already knew this.<br />2. That doesnt give him what he requested<br /><br />What he requested was the data that NASA used..<br />NOT a pointer to the source they CLAIM to have got it from, but rather their copy of it.<br /><br />BASIC QUALITY CHECK<br /><br />So, if you actually read the may 17th posting and all the mails you would understand the townhall piece.<br /><br />next.stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920897530071011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35748470882431563262010-01-19T01:32:10.508-05:002010-01-19T01:32:10.508-05:00Steven, I already linked to an interview with Stev...Steven, I already linked to an interview with Steve McIntyre http://townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=b987fd16-4369-4a1f-b31a-6e24b06c7049&t=c<br />In which he directly claims that he was unblocked because he was Steve McIntyre. At the same time his claim to have not done anything wrong is suggesting he was blocked because he was Steve McIntyre. McIntyre is pretty good at making hidden claims and then let his cheering crowd run away with the interpretation. I've never seen him correct that, apart from the initial fraud claims about Briffa. Which he, of course, has now repeated in nicely worded language by claiming Briffa yielded to Mann's pressure (which Deepclimate has shown to be a lie).<br /><br />McIntyre clearly reads the comments, but hardly ever goes in and stops one of his cheering crowd making unsubstantiated claims (which notably includes his dear partner Ross McKittrick).Marcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262670367947223521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21131697585843845222010-01-19T00:23:00.498-05:002010-01-19T00:23:00.498-05:00There were a few issues on the table that steve di...<i>There were a few issues on the table that steve didnt have a full grasp of</i> (longish list follows)<br /><br />Imagine that! Other than (1)<br />the robustness of various statistical analyses of past temperature proxies, (2) the role of statistical procedures in the broader scientific inference process, and (3) the motives and practices of individual scientists in conducting their research, and (4)that there is no evidence of any "Team" conspiracy, regardless of how many times he slanders them with the term....other than that, I cannot imagine Stevie not having a full grasp of the issues he discusses. In fact it absolutely boggles the mind that anyone would ever imagine such a scenario.Jim Bouldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062200124702011010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77827392463781850802010-01-19T00:14:08.397-05:002010-01-19T00:14:08.397-05:00Somebody up the list said:
As to the rest, McIntyr...Somebody up the list said:<br /><i>As to the rest, McIntyre has pointed out correctly that the recent temps are no warmer than the 30's, that the raw data is corrupted by UHI effect, that the Hockey Stick was a fraud.</i><br /><br />Try not to be an idiot dude. At least not in public. Not an idiot in the sense of the wrongness of the three claims you make, but an idiot in the sense that you don't know that the people who read this blog aren't snowed with such "facts", like they are at McIntyre's site, amongst others.Jim Bouldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062200124702011010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85146189804969071492010-01-18T22:37:46.415-05:002010-01-18T22:37:46.415-05:00There's misremembering what Steve McI said, an...There's misremembering what Steve McI said, and there's also picking up the general noise of the blogosphere and mistaking it for what Steve McI himself said.<br /><br />In any event, I'm not going to take the time to go looking for McI quotes, so unless somebody else finds some accusations from McI, I consider the robot/IP block thing to be a non-issue, where everything got worked out more or less how it should have.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3271458654391121322010-01-18T17:28:05.976-05:002010-01-18T17:28:05.976-05:00MarkR
I think Eli is probably mis remembering th...MarkR<br /><br /> I think Eli is probably mis remembering the discussion. There were a few issues on the table that steve didnt have a full grasp of, like what a robot was, where robot policies are documented, what scraping was. once GISS understood it was him and they promised access there was some delay ( apparently) in providing the access but in the end the access was granted.stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920897530071011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10783794893076834572010-01-18T17:17:48.206-05:002010-01-18T17:17:48.206-05:00The only cases that come close to raising the issu...The only cases that come close to raising the issue of GISS denying the data based on the fact that it was McIntyre requesting it come up in the dialog that ensued following the initial block. That is, an IP was blocked. Mc Inquired and identified himself as the requestor. there was a promise to lift the ban and apparently some delay in lifting it. Mc didnt complain that they blocked it because it was HIM or were slow to lift the block because it was him. Rabbett owes an apology. In the absence of any documentary proof showing that McIntyre said otherwise, Rabbet should at the very least say 'he doesnt know that McIntyre said what he claimed Mc said." If rabbett cannot understand written discourse with any better skill than he demonstrates here, I don't trust him with numbers.<br />And If he cant admit a MINOR error, then he is a denialist of the worst order. Anyways, Another pull quote for you all. Note the words rabbet. One cant prove the case either way. So, move along nothing here to see. Or maybe there is? If you can find and produce a quote supporting your contention I would gladly retract my statement that you lied. That was a bit harsh, lets just say you worked from a faulty memory. In any case, you produce the quote. If you can I will say:<br /><br />A. I was wrong about you.<br />B. I was wrong about McIntyre and he did<br /> jump to a conclusion about GISS that was<br /> unwarrented.<br />And C...<br />its a difference that makes no difference.<br /><br />So, McIntyre, pull quote for those too lazy<br />to check there facts<br /> <br /><br />I don’t think that I “whined” or was “indignant”. I’ve reviewed my postings, which, for the most part, merely recorded the progress of the correspondence. At the end of it, I expressed mild satisfaction that I had been successful in getting service restored and believe that blog power had something to do with it. I draw this conclusion in part because of the curtness of Ruedy’s closing remark. However, I cannot prove that this was not their intention all along not can you show the opposite. Nor am I worried about it very much. As noted above, I’m satisfied that, in this one case, I’ve been able to get access to data relatively promptly, however it came about. Lee, maybe you can help getting Lonnie Thompson’s data.stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920897530071011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-30627417821211681062010-01-18T15:33:10.024-05:002010-01-18T15:33:10.024-05:00Hi Steve. Good luck with the book.
Eli. Well said...Hi Steve. Good luck with the book.<br /><br />Eli. Well said. The longest journey begins with the first step.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664584634125758822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70161016353138462182010-01-18T15:10:43.545-05:002010-01-18T15:10:43.545-05:00The Truth is what some dullards believe.
Best,
D...The Truth is what some dullards believe.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10228531136781272062010-01-18T15:00:41.705-05:002010-01-18T15:00:41.705-05:00Hmm.
IF
http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/17/gis...Hmm.<br /><br />IF <br /><br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/17/giss-blocks-data-access/<br /><br />is the only thing that Steve McI has ever said about the matter, I don't see anything all that objectionable there. <br /><br />If that's the case, I'll retract whatever I've about how he handled the matter.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-31935163131910065452010-01-18T14:31:58.120-05:002010-01-18T14:31:58.120-05:00MarkR
Well rabbet is lying. In the course of wr...MarkR<br /><br /> Well rabbet is lying. In the course of writing the book on climategate I spent a bunch of time reading everything that steve wrote. I think I covered most of it. I dont recall him ever saying they blocked him because he was McIntryre. <br /><br />http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/17/giss-blocks-data-access/<br /><br />Is a good place to start: Of course, rabbet will avoid the facts and he and other will go off on some tangential escapade. <br /><br />Pull quotes<br /><br /> It was hard to figure out why it stopped working. When I went back and tried to do things line by line, I found that it wasn’t reading. Now there had been a few missing records which caused my read program to file and to require restarting at the next record (this could be fixed but it seemed just as easy to restart if it didn’t happen too often). After a while, I checked some records that I’d already downloaded and these failed. I wrote to the GISS webmaster wondering about the 403 diagnostic.<br /><br />I have no particular objection to the webmaster blocking access until he was assured that the inquiry was legitimate or even that the webmaster referred the matter to his bosses. I also have no objection to how long GISS took to remove the block. If all climate data access issues were resolved this quickly, it would be great. Reasonable people can differ about whether they would have been so responsive in the absence of blog publicity. I happen to think that the publicity to the issue facilitated resolution of the matter, but I can’t prove that they wouldn’t have resolved it anyway. On the other hand, I don’t think that any of my actions were unreasonable.stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920897530071011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85960764382569484842010-01-18T13:52:20.447-05:002010-01-18T13:52:20.447-05:00Come on Bunnies. I am waiting for news of your suc...Come on Bunnies. I am waiting for news of your successful reward claims. You are so certain of your rightness. Collect the prizes. It's easy money.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664584634125758822noreply@blogger.com