tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post115146983364879556..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Flacking for death and destruction ....EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1151552830556823332006-06-28T23:47:00.000-04:002006-06-28T23:47:00.000-04:00Oh yes, Philip Morris was involved with Salomon ve...Oh yes, Philip Morris was involved with Salomon very early on also http://tinyurl.com/lerayEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1151552385140840072006-06-28T23:39:00.000-04:002006-06-28T23:39:00.000-04:00More on this later, but Michael Salomon and S. Fre...More on this later, but Michael Salomon and S. Fred Singer were closely associated way back. Salomon has served on the SEPP board http://www.sepp.org/boarddir.html and Singer was on the original International Center for Scientific Ecology Board (in 1993 at least) .<BR/><BR/>This was a year earlier than Singer started writing his report denying harm from environmental tobacco smoke http://tinyurl.com/rjgos but it was the same time that Salomon took part in the SEPP conference on Science and the Environment http://tinyurl.com/ewmpc where all the theme I mentioned came together. See also http://www.sepp.org/conferences/sippp.html. <BR/><BR/>IMHO a lot of folk who signed the Heidelberg appeal thought they were aiming at the barn but hit the cow.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1151540015452149752006-06-28T20:13:00.000-04:002006-06-28T20:13:00.000-04:00The second link relating to the Heidelberg Appeal ...The second link relating to the Heidelberg Appeal gets the history wrong. It claims that the Heidelberg Appeal was a response to the UCS's "World Scientists Warning to Humanity". It's the other way around - the Appeal came first, in April 1992, and the "Warning" came out in November.<BR/><BR/> There is actually a substantial overlap between the signers of the two petitions - IIRC more than half of the Nobel Laureates who signed the "Appeal" also signed the "Warning". The "Appeal" is very vague - it warns against regulations based upon "false or irrelevant data" but doesn't specify what these might be. My presumption is that many of the signers of the Appear were thinking of such things as Greenpeace's quixotic attempt to ban all industrial uses of chlorine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1151523802475356152006-06-28T15:43:00.000-04:002006-06-28T15:43:00.000-04:00"Eli would settle for watching them spend the rest..."Eli would settle for watching them spend the rest of their days in court."<BR/><BR/>You are not a lawyer are you?<BR/>I'm just trying to weigh the argument. <BR/>(i) War is good for some businesses, like the arms industry, and the generals who get medals. Is that sufficient justification for war?<BR/>(ii) Tobacco industry is a profitable business, is that sufficient justification to promote smoking? instead of promoting quitting.<BR/>(iii) The Oil industry is a profitable business, is that sufficient justification not to encourage or promote alternatives<BR/>(iv) The fat industry is a profitable industry is that sufficient justification to promote liposuction.<BR/>(v) Plastic surgery is a profitable industry is that sufficient justification to encourage people to go under the knife.<BR/><BR/>The paradox is people are still falling over themselves to hand over the cash at the petrol pump. For some the only refuge or pleasure in life is tobacco, it is not a choice from among several choices, they can't afford much else.<BR/><BR/>Liposuction & plastic surgery is something that appeals to the vane, those who can pay, leaving those who cannot wishing they could afford it. If onlt they knew what you really get for your money.<BR/><BR/>And war, well a general cannot get any stars if there is no action, the arms industry gets no government contracts if you are already overstocked with missiles. Oh I know lets dump it all on Iraq.<BR/><BR/>Yes, someone actually claimed they dumped more on Iraq in 3 days than on Europe during the whole of WWII. Now I don't know if that was a 99.97% accurate claim or just a boast. But it does show the mentallity of the US Administration.<BR/><BR/>There is no difference in thinkinf between the US Senate & Rome 2000 years ago. Rome thought it would rule for ever and a day. Granted there are no Gauls, no Bretons, bo Vandals, no Attila the hun are gonna come and threaten Washington. But ultimately decadence brought Rome down, not any military enemy or 'ghost'. Quixotic windmills is what the US Administration is fighting against.<BR/><BR/>Even Aunt Sally's if you like, bad guys you build up to knock down. It works for them, they get richer everyday. That is 'reality' -QUASAR9https://www.blogger.com/profile/00593390598251093182noreply@blogger.com