tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8934935826357331745..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Ethical HypocritesEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56831886855998799972010-08-20T00:08:46.982-04:002010-08-20T00:08:46.982-04:00It's not possible to adapt very well to the so...It's not possible to adapt very well to the sort of huge precipitation event that's just happened in Pakistan, other than in a Darwinian sense. <br /><br />I suppose RP Jr. would suggest that they should make themselves rich enough that they can commute to their fields from secure (from flooding, although perhaps not earthquakes, but it's just not reasonable to ask us to put on our adaptation pants more than one leg at a time, eh?) higher-elevation locations and don't care that their crops and agricultural infrastructure are destroyed year after year. No problemo, as they say in Ciudad Juarez (where even as we speak they are comfortably adapting to the consequences of U.S. drug policy).Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74971164743524127782010-08-19T19:38:04.632-04:002010-08-19T19:38:04.632-04:00Berbalang --- Well, that's one way to dispose ...Berbalang --- Well, that's one way to dispose of all those otherwise useless useless bombs.<br /><br />But I suggest reprocessing into IFR fuel makes more sense.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-31223957234142855092010-08-19T10:15:53.286-04:002010-08-19T10:15:53.286-04:00I wonder how soon it will be before somebody sugge...I wonder how soon it will be before somebody suggests dropping nuclear bombs in volcanoes in order to trigger volcanic eruptions to cool the planet.<br /><br />BTW, ever see the last episode of Dinosaurs?<br /><br />BerbalangAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74824922577660340572010-08-18T19:04:35.303-04:002010-08-18T19:04:35.303-04:00The life boat already has too many holes.
It is l...The life boat already has too many holes.<br /><br />It is likely that the consequences of geoengineering will end up very nasty. The more we cut CO2 emissions now, the less nasty those consequences need be.<br /><br />Despite the nasty consequences, we may have no choice. <br /><br />People need to know just how nasty geoengineering could get, then mitigation might not seem so bad.<br /><br />Switching analogies. With John Holdrens car with the dodgy brakes, we may have no choice but to tree the car, the slower we are going the less of an impact. Damaging the engine by using a too lower gear will not seem such a problem if you hit the tree at speed.<br /><br />Little MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50665898498590730882010-08-18T18:38:08.084-04:002010-08-18T18:38:08.084-04:00Adaptation:
http://hist311.wmwikis.net/file/view...Adaptation: <br />http://hist311.wmwikis.net/file/view/400px-Fallout_Protection_For_Homes_With_Basements-Illustration_29.jpg/48875245/400px-Fallout_Protection_For_Homes_With_Basements-Illustration_29.jpg<br /><br />Mitigation:<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/09/world/europe/09prexy.html<br /><br />You win. They take the credit:<br /><br />"... As a cause is mainstreamed, the power to tell its story passes to very different people--not outsiders who thunder about right and wrong, but those closer to power who think in terms of the horizon of the practical. In other words, those who once dismissed an idea must become its advocates, as those who pioneered the idea lose ownership of it....<br />...<br />... the case for nuclear abolition in Countdown to Zero is made largely by people who would not have touched the cause with a 10-foot pole in the 1990s...."<br />http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/hugh-gusterson/now-showing-countdown-to-zeroHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40807765208663406052010-08-18T17:18:03.658-04:002010-08-18T17:18:03.658-04:00The way I understand the argument is simply the ol...The way I understand the argument is simply the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right". These technological "fixes" are being promoted as allowing us to continue our activities that add to climate disruption. However as discussed there are likely to be other side effects that might not be so pleasant for some people at least.<br /><br />To take your boat metaphor LM, it's like saying "it's fine to keep on punching holes in the boat, because we can always install a bigger pump to get the water out again". This course of action doesn't make sense - it seems far better to start by finding a way to change the activities that are causing the holes to be punched in the side of the boat. You might still need some pumps, but not a perpetually increasing amount of them.William Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285679538054366979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14699521613106121372010-08-18T16:27:48.532-04:002010-08-18T16:27:48.532-04:00What Hale and Dilling imply, but don't necessa...What Hale and Dilling imply, but don't necessarily say directly, is needed are substitution of non-fossil fuel energy sources, and efficiency increases.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91825960518766605542010-08-18T16:18:13.052-04:002010-08-18T16:18:13.052-04:00Nobody is arguing against adaptation.
Most adapt...Nobody is arguing against adaptation. <br /><br />Most adaptation is after the fact. For instance, Moscow and the neighborhood of Moscow could build air conditioned and filtered refuges form heat and smoke, now that we know that heat and smoke are possible in Moscow. But we did not know that two months ago. So such an adaptation would have made no sense. <br /><br />Arguing for resilience (or what Roger calls robustness) is another matter. Resilience just means overbuilding and overplanning. Don't build the levee for a cat 3 storm, build it for a cat 5+. Don't build reservoirs and water pipelines for anticipated water use, double it. Build substantially above historical flood levels. Work really hard on the institutional structures of emergency response. Have a formal, international emergency assessment and response mechanism. All very expensive. I think for the most part people will not put up with much resilience these days, given the fact that it has been in obvious decline for decades, at least in this part of the world. I'm in favor of it myself, but Keynesians are not in favor these days. <br /><br />This was also much like the civil defense mentality of yore. Fortunately, all the atomic weapons and rockets have been disarmed and destroyed, right?Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-89817583388435091382010-08-18T15:49:37.453-04:002010-08-18T15:49:37.453-04:00So once we work out that we are screwed, we are no...So once we work out that we are screwed, we are not allowed to do anything about it. Punching more holes in the lifeboat is a bad idea, but does that mean we do not bail out the water?<br /><br />It would seem useing geoengineering is admiting that adding too much CO2 is bad. So as long as we don't admit it, all is OK.<br /><br />Sorry, I do not accept the logic.<br /><br />Little Mouse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com