tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8757124193315929881..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Who paid for that?EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58884703280536410392013-02-18T17:27:04.555-05:002013-02-18T17:27:04.555-05:00I look forward to the correction.I look forward to the correction.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86805951341465275972011-06-03T07:23:18.736-04:002011-06-03T07:23:18.736-04:00Are the Hollywood writers funded by Philip Morris?...Are the Hollywood writers funded by Philip Morris?<br /><br />Everybody's free to follow breadcrumbs:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Consumer_Freedom" rel="nofollow">Center for Consumer Freedom</a>willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22971198328358691982010-05-18T02:31:41.534-04:002010-05-18T02:31:41.534-04:00yea, i agree with Not that there isn`t any other s...yea, i agree with Not that there isn`t any other sanctimony out there, but only one group is actively employed by those who profit by damaging our shared environment.hardiansyahhttp://lepma.gunadarma.ac.idnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10117775685207023202009-05-29T14:34:41.787-04:002009-05-29T14:34:41.787-04:00What one stumbles upon when searching for other in...What one stumbles upon when searching for other information: <br /> <br />According to a fallout shelter seller* OISM is funded by FEMA.<br /><br />I can't vouch for the correctness of this claim. Anyone know how to check?<br /><br />I posted an excerpt at:<br /><br />http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/05/a_taxonomy_of_delusion.php#comment-1665627<br />___________________<br />*http://www.lyricstime.com/bob-dylan-playboys-and-playgirls-lyrics.htmlHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22741119812171474262008-09-30T17:40:00.000-04:002008-09-30T17:40:00.000-04:00I have been a polar bear guide for ten years and h...I have been a polar bear guide for ten years and have deep concerns about the present state of the 'polar bear/climate change debate'. While I do not agree with everything they say it is patently unfair to smear one's reputation simply because you don't agree with what they say. If you apply the same standards to mainstream scientists, such as Amstrup, Stirling, etc., you could argue that they receive some degree of funding from oil companies as well, specifically British Petroleum. Does this discredit their research or is this different because we like what they are saying.<BR/>Kelsey Eliasson, ChurchillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38958334503461023402008-07-29T14:32:00.000-04:002008-07-29T14:32:00.000-04:00The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are...The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... Om... Om... Om...bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49663079356464384352008-07-28T21:34:00.000-04:002008-07-28T21:34:00.000-04:00Eli it's certainly important to point out these ob...Eli it's certainly important to point out these obvious conflicts of interest. Yet you don't seem to think there is *any reason whatsoever* to suspect that the grant funding process that supports studies in line with your own views has any analogous challenges. It does, and as science and advocacy continue to mix so perversely it'll leave a lot of damage for clear thinking people to repair in the future.Joseph Hunkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12901043695395702119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39549255051008883642008-07-27T00:51:00.000-04:002008-07-27T00:51:00.000-04:00Lepus, they are sanctimonious vandalizers of the A...Lepus, they are sanctimonious vandalizers of the Ark and minions of fossil fuel greed.<BR/><BR/>Not that there isn`t any other sanctimony out there, but only one group is actively employed by those who profit by damaging our shared environment.TokyoTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09588387872596983852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57511701085492653982008-07-26T20:08:00.000-04:002008-07-26T20:08:00.000-04:00Lepus, there are many debunkers, tehre is desmogbl...Lepus, there are many debunkers, tehre is desmogblog which does exactly what you're talking about, there is sourcewatch, which tries to list ALL the fronts out there - if, say, GreenPeace starts an organization that doesn't have Greenpeace in its title, it will point that out as well as who pays it and runs it - but it mostly concentrates on astroturf, mostly by corporations. There is deltoid, etc. etc. A lot of Eli's raisin debt is doing that. <BR/><BR/>So you're like someone on the Appian Way saying "let's invent the wheel."<BR/> The point now is to make the wheel better and get the wheels to turn in a more orderly and unified way.<BR/><BR/>A good hint is that the denialists are in a group that says much of what it says for emotional reasons - it's a way of blurting out what they're up to or saying what they're most afraid of.<BR/><BR/>Beyond doubt we need more clearinghouses - but sharing information (unless you're in a state that for political, religious, military or business interest reasons censors science) is what "our side" is already good at.Marion Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493068399042656060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74942314267647892882008-07-24T14:28:00.000-04:002008-07-24T14:28:00.000-04:00Cheapos.:wqCheapos.<BR/><BR/>:wqAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65065379984921340822008-07-22T16:25:00.000-04:002008-07-22T16:25:00.000-04:00But there is some fuzziness in the data, which sug...<I>But there is some fuzziness in the data, which suggests it could go either way. The answer isn’t known at this time.”</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, "give me a few more hundred thou and maybe that -- and 20 more years -- can provide the answer".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21203492298447835612008-07-19T10:54:00.000-04:002008-07-19T10:54:00.000-04:00Me thinks there is a pressing need for two things....Me thinks there is a pressing need for two things.<BR/><BR/>One, a well organized website that identifies all the Soons, Sallies and other fungi, all their nefarious financials, and provides the definitive debunkings of each of the "papers". It takes the novices (me) many hops from site to site to find the clearest dissections. <BR/><BR/>Second, a term which captures the essence of how low these people have sunk.<BR/><BR/>Suggestions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20648042298206820152008-07-18T21:47:00.000-04:002008-07-18T21:47:00.000-04:00Thank you for the offer of a straight line, but El...Thank you for the offer of a straight line, but Eli declinesEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51988454809482058862008-07-18T14:57:00.000-04:002008-07-18T14:57:00.000-04:00If anyone's still interested, that corporate think...If anyone's still interested, that corporate think tank paper from a few months back is now available gratis <A HREF="http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a793291693~db=all~order=page" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55243895688053514382008-07-18T01:34:00.000-04:002008-07-18T01:34:00.000-04:00Oh, a *paranoid* mousie. How nice.FYI, Eli, I did...Oh, a *paranoid* mousie. How nice.<BR/><BR/>FYI, Eli, I did provide a link to the paper (the pale blue doesn't have the best contrast) and I didn't even have to resort to using Willie's site (well, OK, I used Siegfried's, but the principle is important).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67608026880198807252008-07-18T00:49:00.000-04:002008-07-18T00:49:00.000-04:00Bloom, the Sierra Club useful idiot:"I say that as...Bloom, the Sierra Club useful idiot:<BR/><BR/>"I say that as a 20-year Club activist who gets the membership figures each month." <BR/><BR/>http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/6/20/55822/4204Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62245936557592167602008-07-17T23:59:00.000-04:002008-07-17T23:59:00.000-04:00The interested can find the Dyke et al. polar bea...The interested can find the <A HREF="http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~wsoon/myownPapers-d/DyckSoonetal07-PBpaper.pdf" REL="nofollow"> Dyke et al. polar bear paper here</A>EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54822654030678984892008-07-17T23:46:00.000-04:002008-07-17T23:46:00.000-04:00Good research, Eli, although I should warn you tha...Good research, Eli, although I should warn you that too much mention of Sallie in Dano's presence has been known to lead to a response inappropriate for a family blog. :)<BR/><BR/>Of course Sallie hasn't grown a new set of ethics (or anything else -- down, Dano!). Although it wasn't done under Harvard-Smithsonian auspices, the recent polar bear effort <A HREF="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/polar_bear_sppi_word.pdf" REL="nofollow">here</A> is a pretty good indication of that. Baliunas, Soon, Legates and Ball as polar bear experts. Heh. Actually the lead author (Dyck) does know something about polar bears, but happens to be in the employ of a native government that sees hunting as a major source of revenue and doesn't want future restrictions on that. The paper notes that Soon received funding from the usual suspects (Koch, API and Exxon-Mobil), but says nothing about anyone else. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, the paper was directed at influencing the ESA listing of the bears by the USFWS. The latter devoted precisely one short <A HREF="http://alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/polarbear/pdf/finalresponsefromDC.pdf" REL="nofollow">paragraph</A> (pp. 20-21) to saying what a complete piece of shit it was:<BR/><BR/>"The rebuttal of Dyck et al. (2007) by Derocher et al. (in press)addresses and refutes the primary contentions of the Dyck et al. paper. Specifically Derocher et al. (in press) provide evidence that changes in air temperature and sea ice United States Fish and Wildlife Service responses to comments on USGS reports prepared in support of the Polar Bear Listing Decision February 25, 2008 have corresponded with changes to polar bear condition, survival, and population size in Western Hudson Bay. Additionally, Stirling et al. (in review) indicate that there is evidence to contradict the contention that human-caused effects from research and live capture programs or tourism have been responsible for changes in demographic parameters of polar bears in this area. Mechanisms of adaptation suggested by Dyck et al. (2007) are evaluated and discounted based on well understood physiological and nutritional constraints for polar bears."<BR/><BR/>AFAIK Sallie's astrophysics work taken as a whole is not unrespectable, so perhaps whoever put that forum together invited her as an effort toward rehabilitation. If so, good luck to them with that.<BR/> <BR/>BTW, Eli, I suspect Gavin would have some way-back dirt on Sallie due to the Jastrow connection (but perhaps nothing "publishable").Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7146332883302553012008-07-17T23:28:00.000-04:002008-07-17T23:28:00.000-04:00Another wonderful instance of projection by Malark...Another wonderful instance of projection by Malarkey "I Question Everything Except That There Is A Great War Against The Soviet Empire Right Now" Mouse.<BR/><BR/>But hey, The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... Om... Om... Om...bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59035291083339551282008-07-17T21:48:00.000-04:002008-07-17T21:48:00.000-04:00Oh! Only climate alarmists care about children? I'...Oh! Only climate alarmists care about children? I'm so glad you brought that up. Everything is clear now. I suppose next you're going to claim that anyone who doesn't agree with you eats babies! /sarcasmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33307693352825639272008-07-17T18:25:00.000-04:002008-07-17T18:25:00.000-04:00goddammit; don't any of these denialists and fello...goddammit; don't any of these denialists and fellow travelers have any grandchildren.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21385717560657661452008-07-17T17:24:00.000-04:002008-07-17T17:24:00.000-04:00Answer to an inquiry at the Smithsonian.Answer to an inquiry at the Smithsonian.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26487290186387578952008-07-17T16:36:00.000-04:002008-07-17T16:36:00.000-04:00Eli, where do those quotes come from?Eli, where do those quotes come from?cobyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042136876169040477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43702525558348362402008-07-17T15:34:00.000-04:002008-07-17T15:34:00.000-04:00Malarkey "Question Everything" Mouse continues to ...Malarkey "Question Everything" Mouse continues to question nothing.<BR/><BR/>When faced with a claim <EM>from Baliunas herself</EM> that Baliunas had received research funding from Exxon, Malarkey Mouse decides to unquestioningly grab some random wacko web site. Question everything, guys, question everything.<BR/><BR/>But of course, as I said in my initial reply, it's IOKIYAR again! The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... The Alarmists Are Just As Bad... Om... Om... Om...bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25733866973789887742008-07-17T15:31:00.000-04:002008-07-17T15:31:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.com