tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8564747150658255470..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Dear Judge Alsup: Putting on the PressureEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37918289431568771112018-05-02T00:40:08.808-04:002018-05-02T00:40:08.808-04:00@Blair Macdonald,
Excuse me, but your comment sou...@Blair Macdonald,<br /><br /><i>Excuse me</i>, but your comment sounds <i>very</i> trollish. You really, <i>seriously</i> expect <i>us</i> to invest effort and time refuting why <i>you</i>, out of the blue, have found a fundamental error in apparatus or measurement which peer reviewers and competitors of the primary investigators failed to fine when results were first reviewed and published? <br /><br />Sorry, Old Boy, that kind of ploy has been played many times before, and it is getting very tiring. While, once upon a time I would have attempted a refutation if only for the readership which might believe you were something other than a shill, now I'm saving my energy, focus, and breath for far more important things. <br /><br />Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75916140472735454482018-05-01T07:58:28.575-04:002018-05-01T07:58:28.575-04:00Good timing for me. I have just posted/published m...Good timing for me. I have just posted/published my theory of the atmosphere to my research platforms; I think it will interest you all and put a whole new perspect on this. If we are going to talk about the Non- GHGs we need to talk about the instruments used to measure them, and how they work, from first principles, and that is what I have done, and I have concluded they has been a mistake. And we need to understand and us Raman Laser Spectroscopy - 'IRs' complement instrument. On its own Raman spectrometer can do all 'IR' sectrometers can do and better - as I show in my paper; they are equivilant. The Tyndall 'GHGs' are really only the thermo-electric gases (my words),as they are detected by thermoelectric transducers (thermopiles and the like, as used by Tyndall and in kin of those used in all 'IR' spectroscopy) and the non-greenhouse gases N2 and O2 are only special because they are not thermoelectric. N2 and O2 quantum mechanics predicted IR spectra (1556 and 2338 cm-1 respectively) as discussed in this blog, are detected, and their temperatures can be measured by modern Raman Laser instruments. I can prove by the laws of radiation/heat physics they too are 'greenhouse gases'. H2O mode at 3562 is both Raman and IR thermoelectic and it temperature can be measured by both. There are only GH gases, no special ones; but it looks like N2, by theory and operations of CO2 Laser, where metastable N2 2338cm mode is radiated and it heats the CO2 2349cm to operation 'Lasing' temperatures. The same should, and does apply in the atmosphere - natural CO2 lasers using the suns energy has been produced. N2 dominates by transferring its energy directly to CO2. Quantum and thermodynamic theory show all gases are equivalent with respect to radiation, and it is the instruments that are special. Raman Laser is well used and is the instrument of choice for space probe detectors. <br />https://www.academia.edu/36496299/Augmenting_19_th_Century_Thermoelectric_Greenhouse_Theory_with_20_th_Century_Quantum_Mechanics_Raman_Spectroscopy_Towards_a_Coherent_Radiation_Theory_of_the_AtmosphereBlair Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795107163513936768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58713226466535374912018-04-20T16:27:50.793-04:002018-04-20T16:27:50.793-04:00Eli even (thanks to Izen) has a video explaining h...Eli even (thanks to Izen) has a video explaining how you left something out of your statement of the second law. <br /><br />https://youtu.be/DFC3DOEyoz0<br /><br />What you left out is the sun which is an external source of energy and space which is a very cold heat sink. Both tend to be noticeable. <br /><br />The interchange of energy between the surface and the atmosphere is a steady state situation not a true equilibrium (Hey you left that out too!) <br /><br />While the net flow of thermal energy is from the surface to the atmosphere, the presence of the absorbing and emitting atmosphere retards the cooling of the surface and to maintain the steady state, with an equal rejection of the income solar energy to space the surface heats up.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33884390837232344112018-04-20T13:18:08.418-04:002018-04-20T13:18:08.418-04:00@mr. Oale-blanket
you said:
"Dr.Prof.Jan. M...@mr. Oale-blanket<br /><br />you said:<br /><br />"Dr.Prof.Jan. Mr.Rabbett has a habit of housing some idiocy in the comments' section. Usually it's easy to spot and at the first sight the best is just to note the current nick of the blog's resident science denier and talk past him. He regularly shows he doesn't understand science so there's no harm talking science. By now I've probably used all the space allotted to this explanation so I'll stop."<br /><br />You write about denial. Let´s take a look at the second law:<br /><br />"Heat cannot spontaneously flow from cold regions to hot regions without external work being performed on the system"<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics<br /><br />It specifically says, that transfer of heat(energy) from cold to hot, can only be work done on the system.<br /><br />You are a greenhouse-blanket-man, trying to defend the greenhouse-theory. Your theory says that energy is transferred to the surface from cold air, but not as work. That is a violation of the second law.<br /><br />Per definition you are denying a physical law. That makes you a denier of physics.<br /><br />Was your post about yourself, a denier of physics being housed in this comment-section?<br /><br />Then, you must talk past yourself?<br /><br />How does that work?<br /><br />Do you use blankets for that?lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-60414752384914204852018-04-20T12:58:36.142-04:002018-04-20T12:58:36.142-04:00@mr Snarkblanket:
I wrote:
"Quote where I w...@mr Snarkblanket:<br /><br />I wrote:<br /><br />"Quote where I wrote that quantum physics is important. Or, be honest, and quote me on what I really wrote."<br /><br />What I meant was:<br /><br />"Quote where I wrote that quantum physics is UN-important. Or, be honest, and quote me on what I really wrote."lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32176171616073796092018-04-20T12:54:25.498-04:002018-04-20T12:54:25.498-04:00Blogger Jan Galkowski said...
@lifeisthermal,
&qu...Blogger Jan Galkowski said...<br />@lifeisthermal,<br /><br />"This is a serious discussion, and you are acting like a troll. This is not my blog, but a comment like<br />``... and the gh-theory is a religion which is used to grab your money and to make you feel guilty for being a human being.''<br />would get you banned from mine, permanently."<br /><br />Yeah, I know. You blanket people like the chinese style of internet. It´s called censorship. I also have a blog, and I publish every comment, even if I don´t agree or like it. Only assholes censor information and discussion.<br /><br />I actually respect the hell out of Eli for letting me play with you here, once in a while.<br /><br />Don´t worry, I won´t visit your blog. If I did, I would start every comment with:<br /><br />"Dear mr. Blanket Man" <br /><br />And little girls like you can´t handle that.lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-31264995551757122892018-04-20T12:46:23.449-04:002018-04-20T12:46:23.449-04:00snarkrates:
"Mr. thermal would have us belie...snarkrates:<br /><br />"Mr. thermal would have us believe that quantum mechanics is unimportant in molecular energetics. Mssrs. Planck, Einstein, and every other physicist or chemist since 1920 would disagree."<br /><br />Is that really what I said? Could you please quote me on that?<br /><br />What I said was: quantum physics doesn´t apply to macroscopic bulk properties. Temperature is a bulk property, it isn´t defined by quantum physics. Now you have the chance to learn. Pay attention.<br /><br />Thermodynamics deal with the nature of heat flow, temperature and forces. It is a science entirely built on observation. Basically, people stared at hot things for a long time in labs, taking notes, and building theories on those notes. The result is the laws of thermodynamics, which no sane person questions. Thermodynamics gave birth to the theory of blackbody radiation, which led to the quantum theory. You see, quantum theory is a branch of thermodynamics. It is the microscopic details of temperature and heat. Without thermodynamics, there would be no quantum theory.<br /><br />Quote where I wrote that quantum physics is important. Or, be honest, and quote me on what I really wrote.<br /><br />Are you trying to say that quantum physics isn´t ruled by the laws of thermodynamics?<br /><br />Come on, attack me with blankets.lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49601935103179643862018-04-20T11:48:56.050-04:002018-04-20T11:48:56.050-04:00lifeisthermal says, "Forget the quantum detai...lifeisthermal says, "Forget the quantum details of photons and their interaction with molecules if you are trying to understand temperatures and heat flow through a system. It doesn't apply to bulk properties."<br /><br />And that, right there is why we know we are utterly justified in ignoring anything this ignoramus spews. It is not just wrong, it goes beyond "not even wrong," surpassing even reagent grade purity bullshit. <br /><br />Mr. thermal would have us believe that quantum mechanics is unimportant in molecular energetics. Mssrs. Planck, Einstein, and every other physicist or chemist since 1920 would disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7317739441223173442018-04-20T10:21:37.615-04:002018-04-20T10:21:37.615-04:00@Oale,
Thanks. Your advice is wise.
And, BTW, it...@Oale,<br /><br />Thanks. Your advice is wise.<br /><br />And, BTW, it's neither "Dr" nor "Prof" for me. Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28653789750256917822018-04-20T03:12:03.941-04:002018-04-20T03:12:03.941-04:00Dr.Prof.Jan. Mr.Rabbett has a habit of housing som...Dr.Prof.Jan. Mr.Rabbett has a habit of housing some idiocy in the comments' section. Usually it's easy to spot and at the first sight the best is just to note the current nick of the blog's resident science denier and talk past him. He regularly shows he doesn't understand science so there's no harm talking science. By now I've probably used all the space allotted to this explanation so I'll stop. <br /><br />Oalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14032383453035968859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79879151226374796112018-04-19T12:24:38.800-04:002018-04-19T12:24:38.800-04:00@lifeisthermal,
This is a serious discussion, and...@lifeisthermal,<br /><br />This is a serious discussion, and you are acting like a troll. This is not my blog, but a comment like <br /><br />``<i>... and the gh-theory is a religion which is used to grab your money and to make you feel guilty for being a human being.</i>''<br /><br />would get you banned <a href="http://667-per-cm.net" rel="nofollow">from mine</a>, <i>permanently</i>.Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53101779731051012762018-04-19T12:01:02.459-04:002018-04-19T12:01:02.459-04:00Forget the quantum details of photons and their in...Forget the quantum details of photons and their interaction with molecules if you are trying to understand temperatures and heat flow through a system. It doesn't apply to bulk properties.<br /><br />In the context of temperature the electric field energy of photons is transferred and absorbed according to potentials determined by differences in temperatures. Heat flows only from high to low, heat is defined as the energy in transfer from high to low T. Any transfer of energy in opposite direction must be work, says the second law.<br /><br />On the quantum level, whatever happens, it will obey the heat flow or the work done.<br /><br />So, unless gh-gases do work that transfer energy to the surface, there is no gh-effect. Because gh-gases have a much lower temperature than the surface.<br /><br />Now we will probably see claims about how cold air is a blanket, a pump, a sweater, a car in the sun or maybe a magic unicorn.<br /><br />Keep in mind that cold air is not those things, and the gh-theory is a religion which is used to grab your money and to make you feel guilty for being a human being. Always remember that what cold air does to your body, it also does to the earth surface.lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47476734566801809742018-04-19T11:35:17.216-04:002018-04-19T11:35:17.216-04:00So, to sum it up, we have a good amount of data an...So, to sum it up, we have a good amount of data and theories that explains the data, which all shows clearly that atmospheric gases at low temperatures causes the planet to emit less heat for various reasons. Increasing the ratio of some gases, reduces heat emission even more.<br /><br />Now, heat emission is independently related to the temperature, or the energy density, of the emitting body. So reduced heat emission is a definite sign of reduced temperature of the body. Unless there is a reflective or conductive barrier which reduces heat transfer leading to reduced heat absorption in the surroundings. <br /><br />Reduced heat emission from a cold layer of gas which is heated by a solid concentric heat source, is a definite sign of dropping temperature of the gas. Dropping temperature of the gas, is a definite sign of increased rate of heat transfer from the heat source. Increased rate of heat transfer from the heat source is inevitably coupled to increased rate of heat absorption in the cold gas. Increased rate of heat absorption in the surroundings of a heat source is what you want to avoid if the aim is to retain heat in the heat source.<br />So, reduction of heat emission by cold gases in the atmosphere, where there are no reflective or conductive barriers, is a definite sign of increased cooling of the heat source by these gases.<br /><br />This is what thermodynamics says about heat sources which heats cold gases. It is pretty clear that you say the opposite, that less emission of heat, and increased absorption of heat, in surroundings which decreases in temperature, causes increasing power of the heat source.<br /><br />Could you please give us a reference showing the experimental data which confirms that dropping temperature of a cold gas causes increasing heat emission from a heat source.<br /><br />Explain how the gh-effect can work in opposite way to the laws of thermodynamics, where only work can transfer energy from low temperature to high temperature.<br /><br />Please avoid blankets, pumps, hot cars, greenhouses, thermal insulation (which works by reflective and conductive barriers) etc. <br /><br />We have working physical laws and theories for cold gas and heat sources, use them. They don't include quantum details of molecules, because quantum physics is not used for bulk properties like temperature.<br /><br />It should not be hard, if the gh-effect is true, to find support in experimental data for a claim that less heat emission of a gas causes more heat emission from the heat source.<br /><br />Can a cold gas make it's heat source increase in power by dropping in temperature, even though proven physics say the opposite?lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58360011253267285852018-03-23T22:56:00.707-04:002018-03-23T22:56:00.707-04:00Aha! Thank you very much, Eli. Aha! Thank you very much, Eli. David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914145623997712113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56039981080657430172018-03-23T11:29:16.710-04:002018-03-23T11:29:16.710-04:00Are you going to condense/simplify all these resul...Are you going to condense/simplify all these results down so that a judge who has little scientific background can understand them?Gingerbakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211637630936981883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67892665262563995782018-03-23T10:23:28.039-04:002018-03-23T10:23:28.039-04:00David, Mostly CO2 and elemental sulfur bound to t...David, Mostly CO2 and elemental sulfur bound to the graphite. There is a literature on this you can find using Google Scholar as it has been proposed for scrubbing SO2 from emissions of coal plants. <br /><br />Eli suspects that if you had some water vapor in the mix some of it would go to sulfurous acid and eventually sulfuric. EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41899791096055645962018-03-23T02:59:08.408-04:002018-03-23T02:59:08.408-04:00Eli, off topic but this chemistry question came up...Eli, off topic but this chemistry question came up elsewhere.<br /><br />What happens to a very hot, say 650 °C, mixture of graphite, finely ground, and sulfur dioxide? There is no air to speak of but enough breeze to produce a uniform mixture.<br /><br />In particular, does the oxygen prefer the carbon so that carbon dioxide forms?David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914145623997712113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48513382934426047632018-03-21T20:35:32.767-04:002018-03-21T20:35:32.767-04:00Guess who has alredy called on Judge Alsup to vol...Guess who has alredy called on Judge Alsup <a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2018/03/in-zero-dimensions-not-many-pinheads.html" rel="nofollow"> to volunteer his tutorial services ?</a><br /><br />http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2018/03/in-zero-dimensions-not-many-pinheads.htmlTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45569983018649655962018-03-21T16:34:40.927-04:002018-03-21T16:34:40.927-04:00Thanks JanThanks JanEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38095085622632107992018-03-21T16:33:26.753-04:002018-03-21T16:33:26.753-04:00Well Hank, given enough lasers you can excite the ...Well Hank, given enough lasers you can excite the ones that are aligned with the photons, <br /><br />https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.481612<br /><br />and here is an interesting review of ways to grab onto them little buggers.<br /><br />https://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.0912.pdf<br /><br />The only point Eli would comment on is that because the vibrational and rotational states are quantized, the excitation occurs in a jump in a single collision and the orientation of the collision partners tends to be controlling (as well as the available energy from the collision). For example, collisions along the cylindrical axis of a diatomic are more effective for vibrational excitation, while collisions perpendicular to the axis are more effective for rotational excitation as you would expect<br /><br /> EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14627525238024375272018-03-21T14:57:08.586-04:002018-03-21T14:57:08.586-04:00So let me see if my 5th grader brain is getting th...So let me see if my 5th grader brain is getting this.<br /><br />Absorbtion of the electric field energy of a photon depends on how well the absorbing molecule's electrical dipole happens to be lined up. Because we know a horizontal sending antenna produces a horizontal field, and a vertical antenna produces a vertical field, and the receiving antenna works best when aligned the same way. <br /><br />So since the molecules are randomly oriented, some of them are always available to absorb energy from the photons -- and there are so many molecules that any given photon is going to interact with a compatibly oriented molecule over a short distance ("mean free path")<br /><br />And the reason that photons get emitted by greenhouse gases is the GHGs get 'wound up' by collecting energy from collisions until their bond has accumulated one photon's worth of energy which then goes "sproing" and emits that photon -- and does so in a random direction <br /><br />Now I get handwavey here: is the photon emitted in a direction that depends on which way the GHG molecule happens to be oriented?<br /><br />Or is there some magic happening that when the GHG molecule's bond sproings, that energy goes out in a photon emitted in a random direction unrelated to the orientation of the originating molecule at the time? Because quantum, or something?<br /><br />I was smarter when I was five.<br /><br />But I'd still have asked my old question -- isn't there some way to align all the GHG molecules to aim those outgoing photons?<br />HAARP antenna to line them up in the stratosphere? Like the Martians do to keep their planet cool?<br />https://www.google.com/search?q=mars+atmosphere+laserHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51678684773487213462018-03-21T12:29:15.173-04:002018-03-21T12:29:15.173-04:00I think such answers being read into the record of...I think such answers being read into the record of a case is a tremendous idea. They then can be referenced in litigation later.Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49773101419443584492018-03-21T12:24:08.822-04:002018-03-21T12:24:08.822-04:00If understanding this is necessary for the proper ...If understanding this is necessary for the proper settlement of this case and issue, we're doomed. If the judge is sincere, the complexity can create doubt. If he's bent, it will create cover.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-8217018336275369002018-03-21T11:08:31.347-04:002018-03-21T11:08:31.347-04:00Placed links to this very fine series at my relate...Placed links to this very fine series <a href="https://667-per-cm.net/about/" rel="nofollow">at my related <em>About</em> page</a>.Jan Galkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636706072515906253noreply@blogger.com