tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8069311300160603797..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Pros From Dover Once MoreEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-30265261747108511392016-08-19T16:30:08.989-04:002016-08-19T16:30:08.989-04:00Fortunately, the endangered STS movement survived...Fortunately, the endangered STS movement survived the end of the Cold War in various southern hemisphere refugia, where philosphy department consortia have brought forth journals to broaden the STHV gene pool with authors named Clive as well as Bruce , and even some Shielas named Naomi. The editors of those boasting impact factors have been able to sail north to join other flagship journal barnicles, assuring their continuing list to port.<br /><br />John should pass the baseball cap in Silicon Valley to see if there's anyone onery enough to fund the political sociology of the sociology of science.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74151867188782015602016-08-19T10:42:08.277-04:002016-08-19T10:42:08.277-04:00Dano hears it on good authority that a decent chun...Dano hears it on good authority that a decent chunk of research looking at the social side of urban greenery and urban nature is going to be cut to the bone. One presumes that other disciplines will experience similar, so the point may be moot. Or muted.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59160974437122320642016-08-18T19:29:07.221-04:002016-08-18T19:29:07.221-04:00So the question remains, why did 'Nature' ...So the question remains, why did 'Nature' publish this piece of tripe?<br /><br />Gosh, I wish they would publish one of my essays! Should I send in one my 'hard science' solutions as a Letter to the Editor? Probably I should do that every year since they change so fast nowadays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36552346010896796352016-08-18T18:42:29.592-04:002016-08-18T18:42:29.592-04:00Bernard J: but say what you really think :-)
In G...Bernard J: but say what you really think :-)<br /><br />In Grundmann's paper, a sample of sources includes:<br /><br />Douglass, David H, and John R. Christy. 2009. ‘‘A Climatology conspiracy?’’,<br />http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.html<br /><br />Funtowicz, Silvio O, and Jerome R. Ravetz. 1993. ‘‘Science for the Post-Normal Age.’’ Futures 25: 73-92.<br /><br />McKitrick, Ross. 2010. ‘‘Understanding the Climategate Inquiries,’’ accessed 26 June, 2011, http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/rmck_<br />climategate.pdf.<br /><br />Montford, A. W. 2010. The Hockey Stick Illusion: Climategate and the Corruption of Science. London: Stacey International.<br />(SEEMS A MAJOR INFLUENCE, CITED AS THOUGH AUTHORITATIVE).<br /><br />Pielke, Roger Jr. 2007. The Honest Broker. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.<br /><br />Pielke, R. A. J. 2009. The ‘‘Trick’’ in Context. Available at: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/12/trick-in-context.html.<br /><br />Sarewitz, Dan, and Samuel Thernstrom. 2009. ‘‘ Climate Change E-mail Scandal<br />Underscores Myth of Pure Science.’’ Los Angeles Times, January 10, 2012, http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/16/opinion/la-oe-sarewitzthernstrom16-2009dec16<br /><br />And of course we find "Phil Jones spoke of a ‘‘trick’’ to ‘‘hide the decline"<br />etc, etc.<br /><br />What could possibly go wrong?JohnMasheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08174651130367553996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50734286091682562372016-08-18T17:58:09.347-04:002016-08-18T17:58:09.347-04:00In case anyone is in any doubt as to the "cal...In case anyone is in any doubt as to the "calibre of Grundmann's scholarship and journals that publish such", let me offer my own assessment, having close professional contact with many (-> 100s) of physical, ecological, and social scientists who publish in climate science...<br /><br />That assessment is "none", and "not much better", respectively.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57517234699042926072016-08-18T16:37:50.689-04:002016-08-18T16:37:50.689-04:00''Climategate'' and The Scientific...<a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Reiner_Grundmann/publication/256017993_''Climategate''_and_The_Scientific_Ethos/links/0deec52c702bc9d3cd000000.pdf" rel="nofollow">''Climategate'' and The Scientific Ethos</a>, published in Science, Technology & Human Values<br />maybe read to help assess the calibre of Grundmann's scholarship and journals that publish such.JohnMasheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08174651130367553996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50146952964640014162016-08-18T12:09:56.733-04:002016-08-18T12:09:56.733-04:00Apparating late to the party (BJ always has troubl...Apparating late to the party (BJ always has trouble getting out of the inglenook) I note that Eli has already made the point of stopping rules. There are at least two more rules though, at the other end of the response spectrum:<br /><br />1) when the fossil fuel runs out<br />2) when the planet heats up sufficiently that it shakes off the pests that gave it the fever.<br /><br />The two rules are not mutually exclusive.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87110188325635291302016-08-18T12:02:18.496-04:002016-08-18T12:02:18.496-04:00I've always considered 'interpretivist soc...I've always considered 'interpretivist social science' to be an oxymoron.<br /><br />Grundmann nicely adds another data point to that impression.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70113723678855277312016-08-18T11:50:16.112-04:002016-08-18T11:50:16.112-04:00Eli likes people like Bryson who think as he does.... <br />Eli likes people like Bryson who think as he does. As the bunny <a href="http://klimazwiebel.blogspot.com/2016/08/climate-change-as-wicked-social-problem.html?showComment=1471466897754#c7277329525711541576" rel="nofollow">pointed out over at the Onion</a><br /><br />H.vS: (65) Among other things (and there are many), what physical science can contribute are estimates of risk (64) and physical ways of eliminating emissions and evaluations of there efficiency, unless you believe in magic. Oh wait. . .(56)<br /><br />Moreover, as Eli noted over there, this is not a wicked problem as DEFINED by Grundmann, there are stopping rules such as when our greenhouse gas emissions go to zero or atmospheric CO2 concentrations return to 300 ppm (or 350 if you want to be generous. James of Jules and James points this out today on their blog.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74154513381344554572016-08-18T11:43:17.029-04:002016-08-18T11:43:17.029-04:00If we're to take corporatist crap seriously, p...If we're to take corporatist crap seriously, please note that Reiner's a sociologist, or more precisely an STS guy.<br /><br />The historians' default stance toward STS guys is usually less than appreciation - take Reiner's CFC's story.<br /><br />Philosophers (of science)'s appreciation of STS guys is lesser than that. Since they're the academic honey badgers, this stance may be overfitting.<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83306791583761256372016-08-17T23:56:10.591-04:002016-08-17T23:56:10.591-04:00I'd rather we left the philosophers out of it-...I'd rather we left the philosophers out of it-- we're very much a mixed bag, including, as I like to think, some good apples. As to the substance, I'm at a loss, having looked at some of the back-and-forth, to see a constructive point Grundman could possibly have been making. The reason (the philosopher said) why some of us might well think that climate science is the primary guide to dealing with climate change is that, as for many problems, a sound descriptive understanding of the likely consequences of different courses of action is (or should be) enough to get the ball rolling. The evaluation of serious policy alternatives probably also includes questions of economics, social and international equity, etc. But the values at stake are sufficiently widely shared to constrain the range of reasonable responses and give rise to a serious socio-political response. Moreover, I think the political and financial support for climate denialism strongly suggests that even well-informed opponents of serious climate policies agree. Brysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937984497196547802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52481109417985625482016-08-17T15:52:20.823-04:002016-08-17T15:52:20.823-04:00And for many decades, nay, centuries thereafter th...And for many decades, nay, centuries thereafter the men of Science seethed with rage and stewed in bile, for verily it was as the philosophers had foretold, that with sweet and honeyed words they coaxed the oxide of carbon out of the skies and into hiding places unknown deep in the forests, earth and seas. And the philosophers saw it was good, and prospered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-92062104894125090822016-08-17T09:21:01.510-04:002016-08-17T09:21:01.510-04:00Oh Noooz! Neonicotinoid insecticides have killed o...Oh Noooz! Neonicotinoid insecticides have killed off all of our pollinators! What should we do? Ban neonicotinoid insecticides immediately as suggested by our natural and physical scientists?<br /><br />Or should we have a crackpot woo woo social scientist named Reiner Grundmann, a man clearly without a clue how hard science really works call a committee and study the problem.<br /><br />Maybe we should have a committee of incompetent and irrelevant social scientists decide whether we should form a committee or not to study the problems of committee formation. Yeah, that it. Woo Woo all the way down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73995997683935363142016-08-17T08:48:54.151-04:002016-08-17T08:48:54.151-04:00A Dialog on Nature:
https://andthentheresphysics....A Dialog on Nature:<br /><br />https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/dialog-on-nature/<br /><br />Don't miss Roger Jones' comment:<br /><br />http://klimazwiebel.blogspot.com/2016/08/climate-change-as-wicked-social-problem.html?showComment=1471431147561#c5003340594692486995<br /><br />I predict it'll turn into yet another expertise angelology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9922988080294909052016-08-16T19:48:10.238-04:002016-08-16T19:48:10.238-04:00Woooo Woooo! There's yet another Woo Woo train...Woooo Woooo! There's yet another Woo Woo train comin' through!<br /><br />This one loaded with even more sociologists than the last one.<br /><br />Hopefully nobody told the woo woo train engineer the bridge is out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59880768556496286012016-08-16T15:04:52.844-04:002016-08-16T15:04:52.844-04:00As an illustration of how to, shall we say, get to...As an illustration of how to, shall we say, get to the bottom of a problem (albeit somewhat less complex than AGW). I offer up this story of how British Cycling put together a “conference’ of experts of all matters relevant to the nether regions. The list included the following competencies:<br />- Tribologist;<br />- Reconstructive surgeon;<br />- Vulval health consultant;<br />- Saddle designers;<br />- and no doubt others.<br />Apparently, forensic analysis of the facts by relevant experts leads to solutions. Crazy world.<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/aug/15/team-gb-cycling-saddle-sore-medalsRichard Erskinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01489722240823843151noreply@blogger.com