tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post8024892949497077326..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Kerry Emanuel Nails Hal LewisEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85355250817578956372010-10-24T11:08:40.177-04:002010-10-24T11:08:40.177-04:00Good Morning, Horatio,
Actually both... what anon...Good Morning, Horatio,<br /><br />Actually both... what anon has described above is the ultimate appeal, to authority -- or perhaps, appeal to the ultimate authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91335455573948744102010-10-24T10:52:19.941-04:002010-10-24T10:52:19.941-04:00Anon laid out what is required to understand relig...Anon laid out what is required to understand religious works (the Bible) but to understand science, one need not (in principle) "mark what is spoken or written, of whom, and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, and to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goes before and what follows."<br /><br />The actual meaning of science is completely independent of the scientists. In principle (if he were smart enough and had enough time and resources), Horatio could do all the scientific experiments that have ever been done <i>from scratch</i> and come to an understanding about how nature works without having <i>any</i> knowledge of those who made the original discoveries (and of their "social network" in particular.) <br /><br />That is precisely why "appeal to authority" holds no weight in science.<br /><br />In contrast, what anon has described above is the ultimate appeal to authority -- or perhaps appeal to the ultimate authority.Horatio Algeranonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988805467080448954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86657743830230245722010-10-23T16:07:11.705-04:002010-10-23T16:07:11.705-04:00A__Ray... If you do not love it; you have not read...A__Ray... If you do not love it; you have not read it. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83072505035887925592010-10-23T15:29:17.954-04:002010-10-23T15:29:17.954-04:00Anonymous,
So I'll take that as a "no,&qu...Anonymous,<br />So I'll take that as a "no," shall I?<br /><br />So what did you take issue with in my post? Were the Israelites not pre-literate shepherds. Was not Noses in the time of the Bronze Age? Has not the Bible been re-edited for political purposes--or did you not study the Council of Nicea?a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21926354824845378392010-10-23T13:45:38.911-04:002010-10-23T13:45:38.911-04:00Mr. Horatio Algeranon, Sir, after re-reading... Yo...Mr. Horatio Algeranon, Sir, after re-reading... You could not have said it better, yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40479380344936793162010-10-23T13:23:07.235-04:002010-10-23T13:23:07.235-04:00A__ray..., You, are on the wrong side of the decim...A__ray..., You, are on the wrong side of the decimal point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91239155768212097742010-10-23T13:09:46.081-04:002010-10-23T13:09:46.081-04:00Anonymous@23/10/10 5:04 AM
So, if we follow Wycl...Anonymous@23/10/10 5:04 AM <br />So, if we follow Wycliffe's advice will we understand why the Bible defines pi=3?<br /><br />Frankly, I always found it helped with the Bible to realize it was the product of pre-literate, but still sometimes wise, bronze-age shepherds, was passed down orally for generations and has been selectively edited multiple times to achieve political goals.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52663093813883339682010-10-23T09:30:13.949-04:002010-10-23T09:30:13.949-04:00It shall greatly help you to understand scripture,...<i>It shall greatly help you to understand scripture, if you mark not only what is spoken or written, but of whom, and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, and to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goes before and what follows."</i><br /><br />Just like trying to understand AGW denialists (and Horatio's poems about them ~@:> )Horatio Algeranonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988805467080448954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14037729165397895582010-10-23T08:04:08.093-04:002010-10-23T08:04:08.093-04:00To Mr. David B. Benson, It is God, that makes his ...To Mr. David B. Benson, It is God, that makes his point. He wrote the book. May I suggest a tried and true way to approach the subject?<br /> <br />John Wycliffe, the first man to translate the Bible into English, gave us a simple rule to Bible reading when he said:<br /><br />It shall greatly help you to understand scripture, if you mark not only what is spoken or written, but of whom, and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, and to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goes before and what follows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39821147820884487122010-10-22T07:55:11.782-04:002010-10-22T07:55:11.782-04:00Donald Oats says History then records a message of...Donald Oats says <i>History then records a message of "See! See! What did I tell you? I was right all along!" and stamps the lucky scientist with the tag of "maverick".</i><br /><br />As you indicate, there are true mavericks in science, but the vast majority of those that the media label "mavericks" (in science, politics and everything else) are not genuine -- have more than a little in common with "psychics", in fact.<br /><br />Those few (out of millions?) who (by pure chance) get it right every once in a while are held up as soothsayers (geniuses in the case of the "mavericks"), while those who get it wrong (the vast majority) are simply ignored.<br /><br />...and the psychic (maverick) myths are thereby perpetuated.<br /><br />Some journalists seem especially enamored with these myths, undoubtedly one reason why they not only survive but actually thrive. In fact, <a href="http://halgeranon.blogspot.com/2010/05/channeled-curve-balls.html" rel="nofollow">they sometimes even feature themselves as the hero of the myth </a>.Horatio Algeranonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988805467080448954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44408540657326522392010-10-21T22:09:15.843-04:002010-10-21T22:09:15.843-04:00In addition to radiative forcing, Hal must must n...In addition to radiative forcing, Hal must must now reckon the increase in the geothermal flux from the heat of friction of William F. Buckley and H.L. Mencken spinning in their unquiet graves :<br /><br />http://www.nationalreview.com/ planet-gore/ 250442/ climate-skepticism-europe-vs-america-sterling-burnettTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9801168039214388502010-10-21T20:51:55.659-04:002010-10-21T20:51:55.659-04:00Donald, a good friend who is a well know atmospher...Donald, a good friend who is a well know atmospheric scientist once explained Lindzen to Eli as someone who made his reputation by going against the conventional wisdom once, and then made a habit of it. At this point it looks like a healthy dose of politics was added.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9519850660674477692010-10-21T20:39:15.090-04:002010-10-21T20:39:15.090-04:00My only grizzle is the overuse of the word "m...My only grizzle is the overuse of the word "maverick" - especially in the media and by the annoited denierati - to describe some idealogues (scientist or not). I would suggest that rather than being a maverick, some scientists with grand ideas put them about before the data exists to prove or refute these conjectures, and sometimes one of them scores a hit once measuring tools and technology have become more refined. History then records a message of "See! See! What did I tell you? I was right all along!" and stamps the lucky scientist with the tag of "maverick".<br /><br />Without a telescope there was only so much that a pre-Galilean fellow could confirm or refute, so Galileo was not in my view a "maverick" regarding science. Galileo refuted or confirmed numerous astronomy theories by application of the recent invention, ie the telescope. Someone, who working in isolation, manages to overturn a longstanding scientific conjecture - considered to be correct by most scientists in the field - through a completely different theoretical approach would perhaps qualify as a maverick (Milankovich perhaps?). As for Galileo, he was a maverick regarding the implications for the Catholic religion but that is of no consequence with respect to the scientific inquiries conducted by Galileo.<br /><br />A more neutral word might be better. Otherwise, it is a decent piece of commentary by Kerry Emanuel. Now: could Kerry submit this in full to "The Australian" newspaper as an article?<br /><br />Regards,<br />Donald OatsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44741658757993962152010-10-21T18:00:23.889-04:002010-10-21T18:00:23.889-04:00P. Jones --- That passage from Job is beautifully ...P. Jones --- That passage from Job is beautifully written. What was your point?David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-46253345785985635472010-10-21T14:58:12.968-04:002010-10-21T14:58:12.968-04:00Sorry if I upset anyone. I just cut & paste, w...Sorry if I upset anyone. I just cut & paste, what he himself had put up. I did not change a word. If you take the time to look, you will see that it is true. I will not do anything like that again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48873072151081811432010-10-21T14:54:56.632-04:002010-10-21T14:54:56.632-04:00W., you don't need to know everything about an...W., you don't need to know everything about anything, but you do need a toolbox with some appropriate wrenches. Someone well trained in a relatively narrow field has more than a little general knowledge about neighboring areas. Someone trained in left field, has not a clue. For example, Eli could evaluate most AMO physics, and physical chemistry proposals, but would be lost in an NIH panel, or even a biochemistry one.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14810604783888480152010-10-21T14:49:02.846-04:002010-10-21T14:49:02.846-04:00So someone posted Phil Jones contact information w...So someone posted Phil Jones contact information with no conceivable reason other than to harass. Eli zapped it. If you want to harass someone, Climate Audit is the place for you.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87889826891521310102010-10-21T14:48:11.979-04:002010-10-21T14:48:11.979-04:00I admit, I did trick his numbers. We do not want t...I admit, I did trick his numbers. We do not want to show, a decline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87458583929276005752010-10-21T14:41:22.455-04:002010-10-21T14:41:22.455-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72846988284029618082010-10-21T14:24:28.346-04:002010-10-21T14:24:28.346-04:00Kerry's description of the overall situation m...Kerry's description of the overall situation might is the best one I've read yet.<br /><br />But, not a good idea at all to let through crap from idiots who want to promote further harassment of Phil Jones.Jim Bouldinhttp://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu/bouldin/index.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43229202639342015162010-10-21T13:27:03.435-04:002010-10-21T13:27:03.435-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13191053431596555632010-10-21T11:34:32.845-04:002010-10-21T11:34:32.845-04:00Kerry Emmanuel is an expert on hurricanes. Origina...Kerry Emmanuel is an expert on hurricanes. Originally he was skeptical about whether humans could be causing global warming, but he became convinced after studying the evidence. He co-authored a 2007 book, "What We Know About Climate Change."<br /><br />-John FarleyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73817739832961797322010-10-21T10:41:35.701-04:002010-10-21T10:41:35.701-04:00Job 37:14-24
Cheers,
P. JonesJob 37:14-24<br /><br />Cheers,<br />P. JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42552247406915022222010-10-21T10:38:01.286-04:002010-10-21T10:38:01.286-04:00"Can they answer elementary questions about r..."Can they answer elementary questions about radiative and convective heat transfer, or about the circulation of the ocean and atmosphere?"<br /><br />Yes. So does that qualify me? And questions about infra red absorption spectroscopy.<br /><br />Nobody is a climate scientist in that nobody has a handle on the whole area of knowledge. Each knows a little and brings a little. Sceptics who stray out of their area get found out. Most do not and their opinions are sound. I would like to meet someone who bills themself a "climate scientist". If someone says they are a chemist to me I ask "what field of chemistry is your speciality?" Same with climate scientist.<br /><br />W FloodW Floodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62275429152046455162010-10-21T10:35:06.985-04:002010-10-21T10:35:06.985-04:00Just for the record, what area of physics did Hal ...Just for the record, what area of physics did Hal Lewis do his work in.<br /><br />I keep having this mental image of him nailing his 95 feces to the doors of the APS.<br /><br />BerbalangAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com