tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post753975462477825854..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: America != Europe. How's that for insight?EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43846005288956882132012-10-23T23:14:25.320-04:002012-10-23T23:14:25.320-04:00You've done nothing to convince me that I'...You've done nothing to convince me that I'm wrong and you're right. * "cap-and-trade isn't a platonic ideal but an assessment of what's politically and economically achievable." - cap-n-trade is a disaster in Europe and appears to be a non-starter in the US. Despite your professed pragmatism, you don't seem to be able to take that in. * the US love of regulation appears to be because of the illusion that regulation is free, but taxes cost. Both halves of this are wrong. Proceeding on the basis of being wrong isn't going to go right in the end.Andrewhttp://jennrgreenm.skyrock.com/3116440035-Attain-Your-Dream-Weight-By-Following-These-Simple-Tips.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80985906403830552872012-07-05T11:40:14.925-04:002012-07-05T11:40:14.925-04:00No offense taken, of course.No offense taken, of course.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-63529981309379504892012-07-05T05:50:28.132-04:002012-07-05T05:50:28.132-04:00"Its rather disappointing that no-one else wa..."Its rather disappointing that no-one else wants to chime in."<br /><br />What, you thought that maybe some actual economists read this blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34187764885089400942012-07-04T08:49:07.909-04:002012-07-04T08:49:07.909-04:00[Likewise][Likewise]EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83016476302151679742012-07-04T05:31:37.148-04:002012-07-04T05:31:37.148-04:00Its rather disappointing that no-one else wants to...Its rather disappointing that no-one else wants to chime in.<br /><br />I'm not sure there is much more to say for the moment; RD's comment (http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2012/06/27/the-melting-north/#comment-20904) gives me the chance to diss your "irrationality" strawman above, though.<br /><br />BTW, although I hope I don't really need to say this because you know it, but my take-no-prisoners "robust" blogging and commenting style doesn't imply any personal disrespect.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84767771953716437292012-07-03T14:04:14.009-04:002012-07-03T14:04:14.009-04:00The California law wasn't intended to be reven...The California law wasn't intended to be revenue neutral.<br /><br />Revenue neutrality has political advantages but environmental disadvantages. California had the political willpower, barely, to use some of the auction money for environmental benefit that includes greenhouse gas mitigation.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-2001519953886632832012-07-03T05:56:29.133-04:002012-07-03T05:56:29.133-04:00Nah, Europe has become Goldman Sachs, now let'...Nah, Europe has become Goldman Sachs, now let's go figure.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51618486572932506942012-07-03T04:35:51.322-04:002012-07-03T04:35:51.322-04:00Well, how depressing. I guess the point is with ca...Well, how depressing. I guess the point is with cap-n-trade that there is piles of money to be made in the trade, so you have a nicely pre-built group prepared to lobby for it; and the pols, of course, know there will be lobbying, so there is juice available for them.<br /><br />And it looks like the Californians have got it wrong (http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/05/california-assembly-passes-controversial-cap-and-trade-auction-bill.html): their "tax" (ie auction) isn't revenue-neutral, they're spending the (fairly small? Its hard to tell from a distance) money on env projects; another source of lobbying funds.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34290157802595457322012-07-02T23:36:18.779-04:002012-07-02T23:36:18.779-04:00William - I agree cap-and-trade will go nowhere on...William - I agree cap-and-trade will go nowhere on the US national level for the short term, and also nowhere in the medium term unless filibuster rules are limited and everything else turns out right. However, we do have a brand new cap-and-trade system in California and a utility-sector version in Northeastern US states. Other countries outside of Europe are also working on their own version:<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/around-the-world-cap-and-trade-is-still-alive-and-kicking/2012/06/05/gJQACSKVGV_blog.html<br /><br />All this has a lot more to show for it politically than a carbon tax. And even at the US national level, cap and trade got close to passage.<br /><br />And no one thinks regulations are free, just easier to do in the US.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74777387517899754802012-07-02T21:51:42.334-04:002012-07-02T21:51:42.334-04:00Patrick 027
Re Hardy Cross - fortunately, large B...Patrick 027<br /><br />Re Hardy Cross - fortunately, large Broccoli fragment aerosols have very very short residence times in the atmosphere, are not produced in large amounts, and thus have a negligible effect on climate. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61652516352186524112012-07-02T18:25:29.977-04:002012-07-02T18:25:29.977-04:00This tax supposes that CO2 plays some role in glob...This tax supposes that CO2 plays some role in global warming and that taxing carbon will reduce global warming. This is where the tax argument fails, not at the revenue-neutral stage.<br /><br />Taxing broccoli could be revenue-neutral, as well. So why not tax broccoli?<br /><br />Hardy CrossAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5343660123947972522012-07-02T16:04:22.777-04:002012-07-02T16:04:22.777-04:00You've done nothing to convince me that I'...You've done nothing to convince me that I'm wrong and you're right.<br /><br />* "cap-and-trade isn't a platonic ideal but an assessment of what's politically and economically achievable." - cap-n-trade is a disaster in Europe and appears to be a non-starter in the US. Despite your professed pragmatism, you don't seem to be able to take that in.<br />* the US love of regulation appears to be because of the illusion that regulation is free, but taxes cost. Both halves of this are wrong. Proceeding on the basis of being wrong isn't going to go right in the end.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.com