tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post7324460130416747707..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Sources of RappingEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43285969522717074992010-10-12T09:49:17.215-04:002010-10-12T09:49:17.215-04:00Ah, here's a better reference to the George Ha...Ah, here's a <a href="http://cip.law.ucla.edu/cases/case_brightharrisongs.html" rel="nofollow">better reference</a> to the George Harrison case.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72342444836797511742010-10-12T09:21:01.137-04:002010-10-12T09:21:01.137-04:00So, any plagiarism on Dr Rapp's part would be ...So, any plagiarism on Dr Rapp's part would be unwitting then, is the inference. <br /><br />"My Sweet Lord".<br /><br />Perhaps Dr Rapp should read <a href="http://www.ehow.com/about_5052781_basics-songwriting.html" rel="nofollow">this on unwitting plagiarism</a>, which I'm sure Elsevier's and the Praxis/Springer's counsel will be aware of.<br /><br />"He's So Fine"... well, probably not.<br /><br />At Bath Spa University, unwitting plagiarism gets you marked down and a warning letter:<br /><br />"In cases of unwitting plagiarism only, that is when it is agreed that the student cannot reasonably be expected to have realised that plagiarism had occurred:<br /><br />1. A maximum mark of 40% shall be applied for the assessment item, and a warning letter will be issued."<br /><br />I daresay it's little different elsewhere.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82074025281091111492010-10-12T06:40:38.655-04:002010-10-12T06:40:38.655-04:00Eli, you seem to have got up Rapp's nose somew...Eli, you seem to have <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/08/on-wegman-who-will-guard-the-guards-themselves/#comment-505015" rel="nofollow">got up Rapp's nose somewhat</a>. It really seems to have rattled him, especially given the vehement, vituperative vitriol of his Godw[h]ining spray at one point in his diatribe:<br /><br />" Thus, Bradley, Mashey and various nuts on the deepclimate.org website often hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, who defend turf not truth, are out to personally attack those who point out that the hockey stick is a pile of junk."<br /><br />And it's to ricketty wagons such as this that Curry has hitched her star? Meteor, more like...<br /><br /><br />Bernard J. Anonymous XVIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52055233348791461052010-10-11T20:11:21.717-04:002010-10-11T20:11:21.717-04:00I've just reread CapitalClimate's first po...I've just reread CapitalClimate's first post and now followed the link. I misread it originally as being from JC for some reason. JC will obviously know about GIT's institutional misconduct policy, so what I wrote at 9.22 AM above is not really apposite (unless she opines to the contrary in the future of course -- but she has more sense than that, I'm sure). It would be interesting to see what she might write in answer to that Peter Wilson comment though.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72046004934294043702010-10-11T18:51:49.761-04:002010-10-11T18:51:49.761-04:00Even on a blog I would expect cut and paste to be ...Even on a blog I would expect cut and paste to be referenced, maybe no more than "cop a look at what fred says". It is so easy to provide a link. Presenting someone else's work as your own is dishonest wherever it happens.<br /><br />Have a couple of careers now been Rapped up<br /><br />Little MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88901112099491604432010-10-11T18:24:35.718-04:002010-10-11T18:24:35.718-04:00As someone who spends a lot of time teaching at a ...As someone who spends a lot of time teaching at a university and writing, reviewing and editing scientific papers, I am amazed that so many people think that it's ok to cut and paste. For undergraduates, graduate students annd practising scientists, this is not ok. I am afraid that Wegman has been a poor example and his Ph.D students will pay for it. I'm not sure about copyright suits, but nearly everyone in academics should see about the problems with cut and paste. We are supposed to understand concepts well enough to put them in our own words.<br /><br />This also ought to be clear to journalists, although perhaps it's not surprising that nonacademics and nonjournalists--would not understand.BillDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48016705975983154182010-10-11T16:01:57.093-04:002010-10-11T16:01:57.093-04:00HeyNonnyNonnyMouse
I was going to mention Raj Pe...HeyNonnyNonnyMouse <br /><br />I was going to mention Raj Persaud in connection with this topic elsewhere. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Persaud" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia entry</a> for him contains quite a lot of info about him and references, including to the Bentall case in the <i>Guardian</i>.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40538465742406117152010-10-11T15:13:54.715-04:002010-10-11T15:13:54.715-04:00I'm pretty amazed at how accepting of poor sch...I'm pretty amazed at how accepting of poor scholarship some people are showing themselves to be. Here's how the GMC handled Raj Persaud's plagiarism of Richard Bentall's (and others) work:<br /><br />"Media doctor hit with suspension<br /><br />Celebrity psychiatrist Dr Raj Persaud's has been suspended from practising for three months over plagiarism."<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7465539.stm<br /><br />HeyNonnyNonnyMouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90060490920852705562010-10-11T12:22:43.968-04:002010-10-11T12:22:43.968-04:00Perhaps JC should be told of GIT's institution...Perhaps JC should be told of <a href="http://www.compliance.gatech.edu/policy-for-responding-to-allegations-of-scientific-or-other-scholarly-misconduct/" rel="nofollow">GIT's institutional misconduct policy</a> then: <br /><br /><i>N. Scientific or other scholarly misconduct or misconduct in science means fabrication, falsification, plagiarism, or other practices that seriously deviate from those that are commonly accepted within the scientific community for proposing, conducting, or reporting research. It does not include honest error or honest differences in interpretations or judgments of data.</i><br /><br />and that they adhere to the <a href="http://www.researchethics.gatech.edu/misconduct.php" rel="nofollow">Federal Policy on Research Misconduct's</a> definition of plagiarism.<br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7546376443636154462010-10-11T12:06:23.976-04:002010-10-11T12:06:23.976-04:00Here's another gem. Shorter version: No probl...Here's another gem. Shorter version: No problem. It was done for the government, so it should be expected to be crap:<br /><br />Hank Hancock | October 9, 2010 at 9:36 pm | Reply<br /><br />The Wegman committee report was not written to any APA, MLA, or CMS format standards as far as I can tell. It seems evident to me that the report borrows from and compares many sources of work with a mixing of comments thrown in using the committee’s own ad-hoc report format. Most citations (where attempts are made) exist mainly as in-text side comments or narrative references. If I saw any attempt to structure the report to professional scientific publication standards then I would be unmerciful in criticizing it. Otherwise, I accept it is a report written to be read by an audience of politicians, not that politicians read anything important to the public’s interests these days.<br /><br />If we are going to use the rather bad structure of the report to discredit the science the report purports to represent then we need to be fair in making it cut both ways.<br /><br />Anyway, good enough for government work, I suppose.<br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2010/10/07/open-thread-week-in-review/#comment-3604CapitalClimatehttp://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27597867686435071682010-10-11T11:52:02.185-04:002010-10-11T11:52:02.185-04:00Link for the previous citation:
http://judithcurr...Link for the previous citation:<br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2010/10/07/open-thread-week-in-review#comment-3731CapitalClimatehttp://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88944547423256445692010-10-11T11:48:58.770-04:002010-10-11T11:48:58.770-04:00JC's own loosey-goosey standards are just the ...JC's own loosey-goosey standards are just the tip of the iceberg of plagiaristic ignorance. Here's the best example I've seen so far, by one Peter Wilson: <br /><br />I frequently write reports and analyses for various parties, and have no compunction in copying and pasting others work, and have no issue with others using my work in this way. Of course, by doing so I assume full responsibility for its accuracy, and that is all that is expected – accuracy and responsibility. Concepts like plagiarism are totally foreign to such report writing . . . <br /><br />One might wonder, not Eli and the present company, of course, what those "various parties" would be willing to pay for such work were they to know of its provenance.CapitalClimatehttp://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com