tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post7126365344386395534..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Two by JQEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23030624896415796242014-07-16T05:00:42.769-04:002014-07-16T05:00:42.769-04:00I favor warning labels that state legibly and expl...I favor warning labels that state legibly and explicitly:<br /><br /><br />PERSONS ACCOSTING SMOKERS <br /> ARE LIABLE TO ARREST<br /> AS COMMON SCOLDSTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27745694317866862962014-07-09T17:09:43.035-04:002014-07-09T17:09:43.035-04:00http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/long...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/tobacco/stories/memos.htmHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36935048756006581802014-07-09T17:05:22.219-04:002014-07-09T17:05:22.219-04:00http://proquestk12.com/bulletins/10SEP/images/Toba...http://proquestk12.com/bulletins/10SEP/images/Tobacco_Companies.jpg<br /><br />http://www.proquestk12.com/bulletins/10SEP/HH_HNP.shtmlHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44401085661104530232014-07-09T16:54:20.867-04:002014-07-09T16:54:20.867-04:00Russell, the tobacco companies knew long ago they ...Russell, the tobacco companies knew long ago they could pre-prime a child for addiction, if young enough. <br /><br />Advertising has targeted youngsters forever:<br />http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&num=100&ie=UTF-8&q=e-cigarette+advertising<br /><br />Now China, where the government holds a monopoly on tobacco, is pushing the vaporizer inhalers. <br /><br />http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2014&q=+measurable+body+burden+of+nicotine+metabolites<br /><br />Conclusions. —Perception of advertising is higher among young smokers; market-share patterns across age and sex groups follow the perceived advertising patterns; and changes in market share resulting from advertising occur mainly in younger smokers. Cigarette advertising encourages youth to smoke and should be banned.(JAMA. 1991;266:3154-3158) http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=393820Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-78591717773296631442014-07-09T10:20:07.825-04:002014-07-09T10:20:07.825-04:00The only thing willard has convinced me of is that...The only thing willard has convinced me of is that he is an innumerate quote mining concern troll who has no interest in solving real time problems with real time discourse and real time solutions. He's living in the past.<br /><br />Other than that, I guess I can add ozone depletion to the long list of civilization busting problems. So much for the Montreal protocol, all it did was kick the can down the road. Now who didn't predict this outcome?Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55062774566913758072014-07-09T05:52:41.291-04:002014-07-09T05:52:41.291-04:00Obligatory:
https://what-if.xkcd.com/4/
Obligatory:<br /><br />https://what-if.xkcd.com/4/<br /><br />Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02729454651003425550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51306534169588238772014-07-09T00:15:48.334-04:002014-07-09T00:15:48.334-04:00Willard , you have long since persuaded me that wh...Willard , you have long since persuaded me that whatever Climate audit says is at least six times ten to the minus twenty-three parts trueTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66154555815819938072014-07-08T20:16:42.449-04:002014-07-08T20:16:42.449-04:00"because youngsters in those environments had... "because youngsters in those environments had a measurable body burden of nicotine metabolites. Pre-primed to be customers, ya think?"<br /><br />Hank, in the age of single molecule detection, making any "measurable body burden" a policy criterion invites an outpouring of concern for nations downwind of nations that incinerate confiscated opium.<br /><br />Their are an awful lot of molecules in a mole.<br /><br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44246238784505621192014-07-08T20:09:35.153-04:002014-07-08T20:09:35.153-04:00Meanwhile, back in Las Vegas, the show goes on !Meanwhile, back in Las Vegas, <a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2014/07/live-from-las-vegas.html" rel="nofollow"> <b>the show goes on !</b></a>THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32606343051757184502014-07-08T18:10:49.026-04:002014-07-08T18:10:49.026-04:00> Nicotine exposure during
> adolescence al...> Nicotine exposure during <br />> adolescence also appears to<br />> cause long-term structural and <br />> functional changes in the brain <br />> (Dwyer et al. 2009)."<br /><br />I've long suspected this is why so much effort was put into protecting "second hand smoke" exposure -- because youngsters in those environments had a measurable body burden of nicotine metabolites. Pre-primed to be customers, ya think?<br /><br />I wonder how many more documents are out there not yet discovered.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44161491488507925252014-07-08T18:04:06.841-04:002014-07-08T18:04:06.841-04:00Here's another tidbit about modern cigarettes:...Here's another tidbit about modern cigarettes:<br /><br />How did Marlboro jump from a minor brand to a best-seller?<br />(Not just Marlboro Man marketing, but a specific technique for nicotine that took other companies a while to figure out.)<br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65022751332875864462014-07-08T16:04:53.891-04:002014-07-08T16:04:53.891-04:00Not only has nicotine been used as a pesticide, it...Not only has nicotine been used as a pesticide, it has been used as a murder weapon in a famous 19th century crime. Google "Gustave Fougnies" for details.Barton Paul Levensonhttp://bartonpaullevenson.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87213940816695232014-07-08T06:00:14.397-04:002014-07-08T06:00:14.397-04:00@ whimcycle
Thanks!@ whimcycle<br /><br />Thanks!J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48521431130367401352014-07-08T05:58:36.492-04:002014-07-08T05:58:36.492-04:00Tar's the killer, not nicotine. Cigarette look...Tar's the killer, not nicotine. Cigarette lookalikes and their throwaways favoured by Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are not the same as the customisable vaping units that look about as much like a fag as a pipe does. Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are trying to get the latter banned or elbowed out of the market. Ask yourselves why. As for the batteries, the stories you hear about fire are usually when a user has replaced a proper battery with cheap knockoff internal cells to try and save a bit of cash. It's a bit like replacing your legitimate purpose built laptop battery cells with cheap knockoffs. Don't be at all surprised if they go bang.<br /><br />Saying "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is spending $270 million on these and 45 other research projects to determine the risks of e-cigarettes before millions more Americans become hooked on the devices." is also a bit of a red herring. They're already hooked on nicotine, but switching to vaping cuts out the harmful tar.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47058815168374355992014-07-08T02:01:11.371-04:002014-07-08T02:01:11.371-04:00One thing you can say for sure.
They're not in...<i> One thing you can say for sure.<br />They're not in business for your health. They're there to hook kids during the teenage years when they're vulnerable.</i><br /><br /><br />Right , Hank- why oh why would a medically literate adult smoker-- a doctor say, ever want to reduce the ratio of combustion tar to nicotine they ingest?<br /><br />We all realize that the catalytic converters on cars are just there to hook vulerable teenage drivers on vaping steam and CO2THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86860720894809093762014-07-08T01:33:46.899-04:002014-07-08T01:33:46.899-04:00China: more than 50% of males smoke, as do about 5...China: more than 50% of males smoke, as do about 50% of the doctors.<br />Seocndhand smoke + smog, awesome combination,John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45994119301437752802014-07-08T00:16:16.424-04:002014-07-08T00:16:16.424-04:00Betroffenheitstroll!<a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/02/betroffenheitstroll.html" rel="nofollow">Betroffenheitstroll!</a>whimcyclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233875987724163338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-41667736344354052662014-07-08T00:00:17.071-04:002014-07-08T00:00:17.071-04:00More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/07/he...More:<br />http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/07/health-cigarettes-idUSL2N0PE2GP20140707Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51879435353636926092014-07-07T23:47:06.260-04:002014-07-07T23:47:06.260-04:00> the same folks do climate
> and cigarette...> the same folks do climate <br />> and cigarettes, <br />> now working on e-cigs<br /><br />Worse; tobacco in China is a government monopoly. <br /><br />Producing the nicotine extract for vaporizers? And the bubblegum and chocolate and gummi-bear flavoring? I dunno. <br /><br />Producing the cheap and dangerous lithium-ion cells and rechargers used for the vaporizers? Dunno. <br />https://www.google.com/search?q=e-cigarette+fire<br /><br />One thing you can say for sure.<br />They're not in business for your health. They're there to hook kids during the teenage years when they're vulnerable.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45910849698349716282014-07-07T18:49:24.221-04:002014-07-07T18:49:24.221-04:00In the absence of good data over communication tec...In the absence of good data over communication techniques, I'll guess that:<br /><br />1. Mockery is a good technique to use on the committed/scientifically literate enough to know better. While it might not change their minds, it could tone down what they say, and more importantly it conveys an accurate impression to fence-sitters.<br /><br />2. Mockery is not helpful when responding to something wrong from an otherwise-fence sitter. Eli had another post on this, something about those who wander by and sip from the well of denialism as opposed to those who are mainlining the well into their veins.<br /><br />There's more than enough Category 1 to deal with.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65693386071594918182014-07-07T12:10:06.010-04:002014-07-07T12:10:06.010-04:00Fernando: "I think the point escapes people t...Fernando: "I think the point escapes people that a serious debate can be held without getting into insults."<br /><br />Actually, when all the evidence lines up on one side, you cannot have a debate without it degenerating into insults. The side lacking evidence can only explain said lack by accusing its opponents of fraud, incompetence, etc. That is insulting, and those with evidence will respond in kind. We've seen this very thing wherever science denial confronts science--evolution vs. creationism, biology vs. antivaxers and climate science vs. climate denial. <br /><br />Do me a favor. Go peruse the program for the upcoming Heritage wankfest and find just one talk that isn't rooted in denial of science.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33299934153982626302014-07-07T11:30:00.098-04:002014-07-07T11:30:00.098-04:00Fernando,
Russell's comment is spot-on. The i...Fernando,<br /><br />Russell's comment is spot-on. The issue at hand is formulating ("debating", if you must) national and international policy in response to IPCC recommendations and current scientific observations. My post simply stated a fact: The Republican party and mouthpieces refuse to acknowledge (some, though likely not Eli, would say "deny") the reality and threats of AGW. Attempting to re-frame that mindset as a response to name-calling is disingenuous and tired.whimcyclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233875987724163338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14312758215812511512014-07-07T04:51:15.302-04:002014-07-07T04:51:15.302-04:00whimcycle, I don´t watch US networks, and I don´t ...whimcycle, I don´t watch US networks, and I don´t vote for the Republican party in the USA at this time (I reserve the right to do so in the future). <br /><br />I think the point escapes people that a serious debate can be held without getting into insults. This includes not labeling everybody who disagrees with one´s point as an evildoer and super bad guy. The approach some use just doesn´t work. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34320904143972399142014-07-07T03:50:55.810-04:002014-07-07T03:50:55.810-04:00Tom C above..
It's also worth considering th...Tom C above..<br /><br />It's also worth considering that countries like the UK have some adaptations and plans for cold weather since winter is the main source of weather related deaths, but in the event of a serious, 3-standard-deviation heatwave we have little contingency. Could see significant mortality in that case.<br /><br />However, if it happens, the big mortality is more likely to come with synchronized harvest failure, with consequent regional war and the breakdown of global trade. World food security would be an issue to watch if population was flat and AGW a myth.<br />Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02729454651003425550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36179634813209641252014-07-06T20:36:59.370-04:002014-07-06T20:36:59.370-04:00Warning labels for warming polemics are an non sta...Warning labels for warming polemics are an non starter-- too many grim-visaged reframing reformers passed the tipping point of self parody ages ago.<br /><br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.com