tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6933754361110910930..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Guilt, Culpability and ResponsibilityEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34952018045641069672020-05-23T23:42:29.991-04:002020-05-23T23:42:29.991-04:00Paul Baer had shared with me often his great respe...Paul Baer had shared with me often his great respect and affection for you. Here's a link to his "Who Should Pay for Climate Change? Not Me" mentioned in this piece. -- Lisa C (Paul's longtime friend and fiancé)<br /><br />https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cjil/vol13/iss2/11/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17581645209671570309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25238858485755066842012-05-11T19:21:08.992-04:002012-05-11T19:21:08.992-04:00Those of us who occupy the Land Down Under (Austra...Those of us who occupy the Land Down Under (Australia, for those who lack an atlas) are witnessing a small but important disaster. Our slightly-left-of-centre government has enacted legislation introducing an emissions trading scheme (ETS) (essentially cap and trade), which is due to commence on the 1st of July. Whoopee - a step in the right direction!<br /><br />Trouble is, the very same government, which rules with a legislative majority of a single vote, is facing the prospect of one, or possibly two, of its members being slapped with law suits that would make them ineligible to sit in our parliament. The possibility that the government could fall is very real and the conservative opposition have vowed to repeal the ETS laws as soon as they get into the driver's seat. The opposition is led by a zealot who has stated "climate change is crap" and who drums up fear about the damage to our economy from the ETS, but refuses to see the future damage to the global economy from continuing with business as usual. He believes in infinite growth on a finite planet, but he is an economist, so perhaps we should cut him some slack: after all, conservative economists tend to believe in Infinite Growth, Santa Claus and the Magic Pudding.<br /><br />If the government's problem children are dragged before the courts, this could conceivably happen before 1st July, meaning the emissions trading scheme could be in jeopardy and that would be a small disaster: disaster because losing the ETS would set the world back by removing some important leadership; small because Australia's carbon reduction would have very little effect on global emissions.<br /><br />What does this have to do with the OP? Well, the Australian ETS legislation implicitly acknowledges its responsibility for future emissions. Given that there is currently no practical way of scrubbing CO2 from the air once it is released, it is relatively fruitless for countries to try to take responsibility for past emissions, but at least we could make a difference by now accepting responsibility for future emissions, just as Australia has done. Of course, we can regret past emissions, but there is nothing we can do about them now. It is better to start now and do <i>something</i>, than to argue about the past and end up doing nothing.<br /><br />Every tonne of CO2 emitted is doing harm, regardless of whether it is coming from a supersonic jet fighter in America or a cow-dung cooking fire in Somalia. AGW is affecting everybody on the planet, some worse than others. AGW does not care about who is to blame.<br /><br />All humanity should do what it currently <i>can</i> do to reduce future damage and not stall over arguments over who is responsible for damages to date. Talkfests that only rake over old ground are doing nothing to address the problem.owlbrudderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14659475201048613993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82727729720317586542012-05-10T09:40:50.175-04:002012-05-10T09:40:50.175-04:00"When will we hear from those appalled by car..."<i>When will we hear from those appalled by carbon rationing's inhumanity ?</i>"<br /><br />Russell, the trouble is that it is not a matter of 'if' but 'when'; not of 'could' but 'must'.<br /><br />Carbon rationing is inevitable, courtesy of Peak Fossil Carbon. The longer humans suck on the oily, coaly, gassy tit, the harder will be the landing when they're ripped from it.<br /><br />There is every reason to do it sooner rther than later. The only folk who might disagree are those who think that they'll slip through and live out their lives before weaning time arrives.<br /><br />It's exactly because of <i>involuntary</i> carbon rationing's appalling inhumanity, as well as global warming's even more appalling inhumanity, that I am emphatically in favour of kicking the habit now.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J. Hyphen-Anonymous XVII, Esq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82664600623439879832012-05-09T15:59:17.145-04:002012-05-09T15:59:17.145-04:00Problem is, of course, that the moles have a quoru...Problem is, of course, that the moles have a quorum at UC, so the bunnies gotta whack em. If what you say is true, every talk should start with the ritual Posner and Weisbach are ignorant sluts so we will ignore them slideEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77020961984942735142012-05-09T12:46:21.346-04:002012-05-09T12:46:21.346-04:00Eli. any effort at postulating the moral calculus ...Eli. any effort at postulating the moral calculus in question ought to take the per capita stats into account.<br /><br />Forget getting to 350: cutting CO2 enough to limit its rate of growth to 1 ppm per annum would cut each persons carbon ration to about a kilogram a day for lighting, heating cooking transport and trade combined. <br /><br />What kind of world was that ? That kind of energy and CO2 output level was last seen globally in the 1870's, and can still be found in several dozen nations with supergreen carbon footprints , from Afghanistan to Zambia.<br /><br /><br />The only trouble is the strong negative correlation between life expectancy and CO2 emission per capita among the wood-hewing and water-hauling classes. Instant enforcement of Sinn's SuperKyoto regime would likely hasten a billion people into early graves, because the nations with the lowest CO2 emissions have the shortest life expectancies on the planet.<br /><br />Some of us have long opposed Sinn's global rationing plans as an affront to human liberty. <br /><br />When will we hear from those appalled by carbon rationing's inhumanity ?THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73007669590729143742012-05-09T12:27:57.126-04:002012-05-09T12:27:57.126-04:00> PW are easy prey, their idea is so laughable ...> PW are easy prey, their idea is so laughable [...]. <br /><br />Resisting to this urge would decimate blog lands.<br /><br />> There's lots in the papers posted that just ignores PW and gets serious about the problem.<br /><br />Citations needed.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7508256037605347752012-05-09T10:45:51.606-04:002012-05-09T10:45:51.606-04:00Possibly of relevance and, even though many are di...Possibly of relevance and, even though many are dismissing it as a stunt, enough for National Association of Manufacturers to get their own lawyers into action to oppose.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/05/an-inconvenient-lawsuit-teenagers-take-global-warming-to-the-courts/256903/" rel="nofollow">An Inconvenient Lawsuit: Teenagers Take Global Warming to the Courts</a><br /><br />Their pro bono lawyer used to be a Republican in Congress, too, which makes it all the more curiouser.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-24854827309450592812012-05-09T08:26:42.089-04:002012-05-09T08:26:42.089-04:00Hi RayP Eli suggests you use the image at the top ...Hi RayP Eli suggests you use the image at the top of the post as your last slide, it got it allEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61195975020912966982012-05-09T00:52:30.172-04:002012-05-09T00:52:30.172-04:00Hey guys, this meeting is not all about Posner and...Hey guys, this meeting is not all about Posner and Weisbach. PW are easy prey, their idea is so laughable, but the occasion provides an excuse for some serious thinking about how to apply principles of justice to the climate change problem. There's lots in the papers posted that just ignores PW and gets serious about the problem. I was fascinated to find that the guy from Merton College came to essentially the same conclusions as I did regarding the carbon commons, despite approaching it from the standpoint of philosophy rather than physical science. I had graphs, he didn't, but we arrived at the same place.<br /><br />--raypierreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29008121225664391022012-05-08T21:07:36.172-04:002012-05-08T21:07:36.172-04:00Jaybird: "I don't know..."
Could of...Jaybird: "I don't know..."<br /><br />Could of stopped right there, Jaybird, regardless of the subject. Your are a proudly ignorant moron whose picture appears prominently next to the word FAIL (n) in the dictionary.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66460026307844349662012-05-08T14:31:26.323-04:002012-05-08T14:31:26.323-04:00Dear Eli,
You can take consolation that the sayin...Dear Eli,<br /><br />You can take consolation that the saying dates back to Plato.<br /><br />And the whole saying mentions those who can't teach. Those are worse than you, because they need to teach how to teach.<br /><br />These are the worse.<br /><br />You can also take consolation in the fact that Plato's saying respects your favorite's blogger Rule of Three:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_%28writing%29<br /><br />I vaguely recall some platonist mathematician saying that teachers were the most lukewarm workers, but my memory is not infaillible.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64222783889533378662012-05-08T14:25:25.018-04:002012-05-08T14:25:25.018-04:00This is an actual proposal to change the game that...This is an actual proposal to change the game that's been bouncing around the UN climate talks for some time - doesn't get much attention (besides the other idea to leave the US out of the game until ready to play)<br /><br />http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=105953Stephen Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13384320336564949714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59915009289016107792012-05-08T14:19:57.242-04:002012-05-08T14:19:57.242-04:00Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
I don't know a ray, it ...Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.<br /><br />I don't know a ray, it doesn't seem like anybody is jumping on board to give their money to the government either. <br /><br />Maybe next year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6055180676920382192012-05-08T14:16:35.783-04:002012-05-08T14:16:35.783-04:00But Jay, Everything you start sucks. Everything y...But Jay, Everything you start sucks. Everything you touch fails. Failure oozes from your very pores.<br /><br />If you ever lose your virginity, rest assured it will be a pityf***.a_ray_in_dilbert_spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72492722508079442742012-05-08T13:52:20.637-04:002012-05-08T13:52:20.637-04:00Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
so I'm trying to start ...Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.<br /><br />so I'm trying to start a new cause/movement, anybody want to help me start the argument that the video game industry is too big to fail? Honestly, they are one of a few things that don't suck right now, innovation is happening and people that play video games are happier than non gamers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-63191556579754105532012-05-08T13:27:30.513-04:002012-05-08T13:27:30.513-04:00Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
yes I see you smoking your ...Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.<br /><br />yes I see you smoking your pipe there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22914798325807286482012-05-08T12:48:20.339-04:002012-05-08T12:48:20.339-04:00Dr. J. please note the small image on the left sid...Dr. J. please note the small image on the left side near the top of the blog right above the list of contributors.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62733369120294415682012-05-08T12:29:32.383-04:002012-05-08T12:29:32.383-04:00I tend to agree that insisting on retribution for ...I tend to agree that insisting on retribution for past emissions would probably delay any treaty indefinitely.<br /><br />So how about we forget about the past, and just worry about trying to make the future viable? Though obviously designed with the U.S. in mind, Hansen's proposed 'fee and dividend' could be made to work on a world-wide scale:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/opinion/07hansen.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Hansen's original 'fee and dividend' pitch</a><br /><br />Or, am I being incredibly naïve? Perhaps the amount of tax per ton of carbon taken at the port of entry could be pro-rated according to that country's GDP per capita, or such.Steve Metzlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69609356069613858512012-05-08T11:28:33.286-04:002012-05-08T11:28:33.286-04:00I wouldn't worry about past emissions, on the ...I wouldn't worry about past emissions, on the grounds that what we've done so far is only the start. Current emissions, if stopped now, wouldn't be very exciting.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64621037674392446902012-05-08T11:05:37.444-04:002012-05-08T11:05:37.444-04:00Concerning teaching, Jay makes an appeal to the wi...Concerning teaching, Jay makes an appeal to the wisdom of Sarah Palin.<br /><br />No Jay, I am not Canadian.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48292803641622870502012-05-08T10:34:17.715-04:002012-05-08T10:34:17.715-04:00Pretending responsibility only arises from deliber...Pretending responsibility only arises from deliberate, knowing malfeasance strikes me as self-serving, deliberate malfeasance in its own right. Further, awareness of a risk goes back much further than 1992. Finally, practicality cuts in several directions here. It may be difficult to get wealthy nations to accept responsibility and take action-- but it's just as unlikely that poor nations will do much on their own without substantial leadership from the 'first world'. China and India need to follow quickly, but I don't see why they should go where we won't lead. In the end, all countries will suffer if pure, short-term 'self-interest' and the right to 'self-determination' dominates the negotiations. Do Posner and Weisbach really want to tell their grandchildren, "...well, we wanted to do something, but no one would agree to treat everyone else in a way they each would agree was perfectly 'fair', so we did nothing..."?<br /><br />Bryson BrownBrysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937984497196547802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79699361755010109622012-05-08T10:29:51.143-04:002012-05-08T10:29:51.143-04:00Remember the saying, those who can do. Those who c...<i>Remember the saying, those who can do. Those who can't...teach. </i><br /><br />Ah! An idiotic idomatic expression found on one of the chocolate fruit & nut's wrappers no doubt!<br /><br />Self-educated obviously! And boy/girl does it show.<br /><br />"It is the supreme art of the teacher to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge."<br /><i>Albert Einstein</i><br /><br /><i>Cymraeg llygoden</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90336768202913196952012-05-08T10:28:39.610-04:002012-05-08T10:28:39.610-04:00Now that, the red mist which rose before my eyes w...Now that, the red mist which rose before my eyes while reading the excerpt from Posner and Weisbachhas has subsided, I would like to make a couple of points. <br /><br />First it seems to be accepted that "The US is relatively less vulnerable to climate change than other countries." [P&W] Margalioth writes "... , because developing countries are more vulnerable to climate change, ..." What is the evidence for that? Hurricane Katrina, the drought in Texas, and wild fires in California all are harbingers of the future and occurred in the US. Moreover, Florida and New York are as vulnerable to sea level rise as Bangladesh.<br /><br />Second, this claim that US citizens are not responsible for the emissions in the past is irrelevant, and IMHO is just a diversionary tactic. The US is emitting 25% of global emissions now, so it must make the biggest cuts. How much pain this is going to cause relative to poorer countries is another imponderable, but the thing is to get started with the cuts, and give up these interminable arguments about justice, which are all relative and depend on your viewpoint.<br /><br />What is required is that the US start making cuts without waiting for a universal agreement, just as Europe and most of the rest of the world did under Kyoto. What is morally repugnant is for the US to continue <b>increasing</b> its emissions while arguing about what is not right and not fair! <br /><br />Cheers, AlastairAlastairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15152292130415788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-134202503822103882012-05-08T10:15:49.656-04:002012-05-08T10:15:49.656-04:00Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
you know we are sailing int...Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.<br /><br />you know we are sailing into a moral storm but I would suggest everyone's moral storm is their own and not some fake collectivist goal. <br /><br />I know a lot of you here consider Eli to be a demi God but trust me, there's a reason he is a teacher and probably makes 50k or less. Remember the saying, those who can do. Those who can't...teach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91780629369328577832012-05-08T09:03:38.527-04:002012-05-08T09:03:38.527-04:00Tbe USA turns away from wealth and power, Islam ig...Tbe USA turns away from wealth and power, Islam ignores the past, Russia ditches its criminals, and the Chinese abandon dreams of empire.<br /><br />Other than that, the treaty is a piece of cake.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.com