tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6828338439259355696..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: They Got Nothin'EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7837347552644807472010-03-05T07:32:10.525-05:002010-03-05T07:32:10.525-05:00The immediate rationale for the Texas petition app...The immediate rationale for the Texas petition appears to be to thwart/delay impending expansion of ground level ozone regulation in counties around the largest Texas cities, and to boost Perry's anti-regulation standing ahead of the primary election (which he won). Perry is saying suburban counties can live with the existing excessive air pollution and the corresponding health issues. Besides auto emissions, it involves cement kiln emissions for Dallas, and chemical plant emissions for Houston, two large lobby/campaign contribution forces. The Texas petition for reconsideration is an expensive PR stunt, no more, no less. It probably is the worst example of an administrative petition that this mouse has seen. <br /><br />A remarkable thing about the Texas petition is that it presents Tea Party Perry as demanding an enormous expansion of the EPA, its budget, and its authority. That conclusion results from the petition's attack on using non-EPA data as support for the Endangerment Rule. The effect is to demand that EPA preclude reliance on research from NASA, the Energy Department, universities, and everything else that is non-EPA. Growing the EPA large enough to launch its own satellites and perform all the research others do would be huge expansion. If nothing else, it adds to the internal contradictions that make Perry so special. s/Minnie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55380409635572553472010-02-26T15:08:13.536-05:002010-02-26T15:08:13.536-05:00Wadard said...
'"Guys, Rev. Phil Jon...Wadard said...<br /><br /> '"Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 Feb 2010 by saying there was no significant warning since 1995. Which part of his statement you don't get?"<br /><br />The bit where that is a relevant statement to climate change. What bit of that don't you get?'<br /><br />We get it just fine, but the quote-mining is tedious. It seems you omitted the context and that isn't nice, and it annoys the the mice. <br /><br />Here's Dr. Phil Jones' interview in full, on the BBC website. <br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stmamoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-89294067599504132822010-02-26T07:25:13.816-05:002010-02-26T07:25:13.816-05:00"Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 F..."Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 Feb 2010 by saying there was no significant warning since 1995. Which part of his statement you don't get?"<br /><br />The bit where that is a relevant statement to climate change. What bit of that don't you get?Wadardhttp://globalwarmingwatch.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53857116779609013742010-02-24T12:38:44.926-05:002010-02-24T12:38:44.926-05:00'....Our National Food Administration recommen...'....Our National Food Administration recommends that we eat food providing 2,500 kilocalories (kcal) per day. Kcal is a unit for measurement of energy. <br /><br />To obtain and prepare this amount of food takes around five times as many kcal as in the food itself. <br /><br />This is provided by, principally, oil and natural gas. Agriculture, transport, preparation, trade and food preparation – all these require oil and gas. If these numbers apply globally then as much as 40% of all oil and natural gas use goes to provision of food....<br /><br />....The research group, Global Energy Systems at Uppsala University has studied in detail the energy content of 129 of the world’s agricultural products and their byproducts – i.e. agriculture’s total bioenergy production (read the relevant Master thesis at www.fysast.uu.se/ges). Globally, this is about 20,000 TWh per day. This is nearly as much energy as is consumed daily by transport worldwide. Of the total harvest, nearly 90% is edible but some must be conserved as seed stock for the following year’s harvest, some is lost during storage and some is used for animal feed and so on. In our calculations we have also kept in mind that 3% of our food comes from the oceans. We have concluded that the energy content of the world’s food that is currently available for human consumption is 7,225 TWh per day. The food we actually consume contains nearly as much energy. In other words, the global food reserves available to provide for a rapidly growing population are very small – approximately 2% more than current consumption.<br /><br />How to rescue our climate for future generations is considered by many to be the most important question. The figure of 350 ppm is given as a permissible upper threshold for atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration. But the future’s greatest challenge is that too many people must share too little energy. It is time that we began discussing the figure of 2500 kcal and how, in future, the world’s population will be provided with its daily bread without having it soaked in oil.'<br /><br />Can agriculture provide us with both food and fuel? - A survey of present agricultural production - Johansson & Liljequist, 2009 <br /><br />http://www.tsl.uu.se/uhdsg/publications/agriculture.pdf<br /><br />Kjell Aleklett is Professor of Physics at Global Energy Systems, Uppsala University. He also blogs on energy issues at aleklett.wordpress.com.<br /><br />If this correct, we are all in for a very nasty shock if we can't phase-out fossil-fuels, before peak fossil-energy occurs.amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50843350841939132552010-02-22T19:30:59.269-05:002010-02-22T19:30:59.269-05:00I think it's most reasonable to separate out t...I think it's most reasonable to separate out the fossil fuel usage of agriculture from breathing.<br /><br />The carbon that's in the plant itself came from the air. Fertiliser, even if made from methane, doesn't provide carbon that ends up inside the plant.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65734650447710353972010-02-22T18:48:44.402-05:002010-02-22T18:48:44.402-05:00It takes about 30 calories of fossil fuel energy t...It takes about 30 calories of fossil fuel energy to put one calorie of food energy (as California lettuce) on a plate in a NYC restaurant. Most of that fossil energy goes to irrigation, cultivation, production of fertilizer, and pesticides. Transport is way down the list.<br /><br />Low cost fossil fuel subsidizes our commercially produced agricultural products of all types – even local products. <br /><br />Our problems with fossil fuel run deep.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150805906414546377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49465923861274737222010-02-22T14:18:24.171-05:002010-02-22T14:18:24.171-05:00> Do you eat coal?
Don't assume otherwise....> Do you eat coal?<br /><br />Don't assume otherwise.<br /><br />http://www.pnas.org/content/105/46/17855.full<br /><br />"... U.S. corn agriculture has been criticized as environmentally unsustainable (19) and conspicuously subsidized (20). Of 160 food products we purchased at Wendy's throughout the United States, not 1 item could be traced back to a noncorn source. Our work also identified corn feed as the overwhelming source of food for tissue growth, hence for beef and chicken meat, at fast food restaurants...."<br /><br />And that's not even counting the fossil carbon in the corn sweetener in the soft drinks, nor that in the pesticide residues.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13141114603718353632010-02-22T08:09:21.147-05:002010-02-22T08:09:21.147-05:00They don't give a damn if it's true or not...They don't give a damn if it's true or not. All they want is more "reconsideration", more investigation, more delay.Truth about petitionsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42911652363394293392010-02-22T07:15:19.331-05:002010-02-22T07:15:19.331-05:00bluegrue:
Jones did say all that. He said 15 ye...bluegrue:<br /><br />Jones did say all that. He said 15 years is too short, and that the trend over the last 30 years (or was it 35?) was significant.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-81553834476423322692010-02-22T07:04:25.082-05:002010-02-22T07:04:25.082-05:00On the vanishingly slim off-chance, that this is n...On the vanishingly slim off-chance, that this is not a troll.<br /><br /><i>Which part of his statement you dont get?</i><br />I can only tell you what I get. The trend from 1995 is about 0.1°C / decade. Jones told the paper, there is a 1 in 19 chance, that this trend is just noise. There is the convention of only calling trends with a 1 in 20 chance or better "statistically significant"; hence the trend is not "significant", i.e. in the "statistically significant" sense, but barely so. Keep in mind, that Jones was specifically asked about the 15-year trend, it was not his own choosing. It was a trick question to begin with, as 15-year is usually too short a period to have statistically significant temperature trends. Jones should better have told them so and give a reply for 30 year trends, alas he did not. <br /><br /><i>it's OK to be alive and breath out CO2.</i><br />Not all CO2 is created equal. The CO2 you breath out was taken out of the atmosphere mere years or even only months ago, depending on whether you are eating meat or plants. The CO2 from fossil fuel was taken out millions of years ago. If you look at both of emissions over the course of a few years the first is an almost zero sum game, whereas the latter adds to the atmosphere.bluegruenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76981432080854928432010-02-22T06:51:24.238-05:002010-02-22T06:51:24.238-05:00I suppose it depends, anonymouse.
I am human, and...I suppose it depends, anonymouse.<br /><br />I am human, and eat plants and animals. Mainly carrots, though.<br /><br />Do you eat coal?carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85073774727463761342010-02-22T00:17:39.780-05:002010-02-22T00:17:39.780-05:00Oh God, not more anonymous, mendacious D-K trolls!...Oh God, not more anonymous, mendacious D-K trolls!<br /><br />MapleLeafAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26221931668968684242010-02-22T00:02:17.083-05:002010-02-22T00:02:17.083-05:00"Are you under the impression that breathing ..."Are you under the impression that breathing raises the atmospheric concentration of CO2?"<br /><br />Hmm, does not it? Does not my body temperature warm the planet either?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38888890432235269782010-02-21T23:50:24.863-05:002010-02-21T23:50:24.863-05:00"Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 F..."Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 Feb 2010 by saying there was no significant warning since 1995. Which part of his statement you dont get?"<br /><br />We get it just fine. Seems like you're the one who's confused.<br /><br />"it's OK to be alive and breath out CO2."<br /><br />Are you under the impression that breathing raises the atmospheric concentration of CO2?carrot eaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88882501538316579702010-02-21T23:46:39.737-05:002010-02-21T23:46:39.737-05:00data manipulation, loss or destruction of informat...<i><br />data manipulation, loss or destruction of information, reliance on questionable source materials, abuse of the peer review process, suppression of dissent, conflicts of interest, and failure to comply with freedom of information laws</i><br /><br /><br />Huh? Does not this pretty much sum up everything in a single sentence? <br /><br />Not for Jesus followers, it would seem, no. They never give up! <br /><br />Guys, Rev. Phil Jones reneged on you on 14 Feb 2010 by saying there was no significant warning since 1995. Which part of his statement you dont get?<br /><br />Hello, it's time to come back home. The war's over! Get off that virtual guilt ride, it's OK to be alive and breath out CO2.<br /><br />PeaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57312005575277625692010-02-21T23:21:33.934-05:002010-02-21T23:21:33.934-05:00Eli, there are procedural issues here, as N-G poin...Eli, there are procedural issues here, as N-G pointed out. <br /><br />The petition to reconsider has to rely on new information that wasn't available at the time when the EPA made the endangerment finding. <br /><br />So with that time span, they're a bit limited in what they can use. So they try to milk the emails to death, and then scoured the sceptic blogs for whatever scraps they could find. <br /><br />Unless I'm mistaken. In which case, ignore all of the above.carrot eaternoreply@blogger.com