tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post6092208205216944385..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64454798520805244072009-12-11T17:36:59.419-05:002009-12-11T17:36:59.419-05:00Off topic of denialists specifically, but apropos ...Off topic of denialists specifically, but apropos of Copenhagen...<br /><br />Email just arrived from Avaaz with this quote:<br />"I was born in 1992. You have been negotiating all my life. You cannot tell us you need more time."<br /> --Christina, 17, Solomon Islander<br /><br />That struck me as right on the mark.Jim Prallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033053570742850619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14553304870513990832009-12-11T17:34:07.710-05:002009-12-11T17:34:07.710-05:00The European Starling is one of three alien introd...The European Starling is one of three alien introduce pest species in North America, along with Rock Dove (common pigeon) and House Sparrow. All three are human commensal (staple diet: pizza crusts) and very, very tolerant of proximity of people, traffic, cats & dogs.<br />Feral Rock Doves are descendents of domestic stocks; House Sparrows just seem to have found us, and followed everywhere we've built houses. The European Starling is unique as the sole deliberate alien introduction. It seems some nostalgic Brit was pinin' for the Green & Pleasants, and set himself the goal of introducing into the Americas every species of bird named in all of Shakespeare. He release a few pairs of E.Starlings in Central Park in the 1800s, and now they've spread from Alaska to Newfoundland to Mexico. He seems to have stopped at one species, AFA anyone can tell.<br />E.Starlings are a threat to native Bluebirds, as they out-compete them for nest sites. Tree-hugging nativist bluebird lovers build nest boxes with an entrance fractionally too small for the Starling, which Bluebirds can still use.<br />E.O.Wilson has a taxonomy of what human activities contribute to species loss and ecosystem rundown, listed as "HIPPO" - the I is for alien introductions / invasives.<br />OTOH, E.Starlings are the most melodious of the three junk birds; they're resident over winter here in Toronto, and being adept mimics, they've fooled me at times with the songs of other species that I know should not be here at that time of year. Another classic sound is the "stuka dive bomb whistle"<br />I've seen starlings swarming in Rome toward dusk, in flocks numbering in the 5 to 6 figures, and the swirling action can be something to see. <br />Now, I'm not sure there's a metaphor for denialism here - I can't particularly claim it's any kind of European transplant to N.Amer.Jim Prallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033053570742850619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18119018716335514762009-12-09T05:31:12.690-05:002009-12-09T05:31:12.690-05:00I don't think the starlings were impressed ;) ...I don't think the starlings were impressed ;) :<br /><br />http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/12/starlings_finger.jpg<br /><br />(H/T Bad Astronomy)<br /><br />Also, without wishing to argue against your starling analogy, if you go to the marches at twilight, you get a beautiful display from them.skankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584908320777937193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21254895149979330382009-12-08T14:11:26.901-05:002009-12-08T14:11:26.901-05:00Objectivity means trying to give all sides a heari...Objectivity means trying to give all sides a hearing. It does not, in my view, mean treating all sides as equal.<br />- Christiane Amanpour, CNN CorrespondantAnglisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15316097692892419221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37746639323002018682009-12-08T06:08:14.100-05:002009-12-08T06:08:14.100-05:00I'd have a lot more sympathy* with the "s...I'd have a lot more sympathy* with the "scientists shouldn't do politics" argument, if the political people spouting it didn't keep trying (and failing) to do the sciencey bit.<br /><br /><br /><br />* sympathy, not necessarily agreementskankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584908320777937193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66942627583576702142009-12-07T20:34:21.155-05:002009-12-07T20:34:21.155-05:00FWIW, I know someone who knows Mann, and says that...FWIW, I know someone who knows Mann, and says that he's a nice guy. YMMV.<br /><br />I'm not sure there's much point in going into an internet vote over Mann's nicety.<br /><br />For that matter, I know skeptic David Evans somewhat, and denialist Bill Gray a bit, and they're both nice enough when you talk to them directly, especially Evans. Doesn't keep them from being hideously wrong.<br /><br />If the real world wants to draw any final conclusions about the Jones/Mann, we might as well wait until the investigations are finished. We can't wait to deal with the PR issues, but that's a separate matter.Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51028648013883688632009-12-07T09:56:01.842-05:002009-12-07T09:56:01.842-05:00Two comments:
Starlings- I like the comparison.
...Two comments:<br /><br />Starlings- I like the comparison.<br /><br />Why do we always refer to Exxon when referencing fossil fuel industries? Why doesn't e.g. Peabody get the love?BCCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45816758110550934462009-12-06T22:43:40.021-05:002009-12-06T22:43:40.021-05:00"The Honest Joker"<a href="http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/2009/11/parodying-warmist-blog.html?showComment=1260026786489#c734872476571242571" rel="nofollow">"The Honest Joker"</a>Jim Bouldinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19000354500795946872009-12-06T11:56:20.016-05:002009-12-06T11:56:20.016-05:00TCO:
You wish to fall into the trap of "th...TCO: <br /><br />You wish to fall into the trap of "the guy's an a-hole, therefore his scientific conclusions are wrong"<br /><br />I call bullsh-- on that. F that nitwittery. Get a grip, son.<br /><br />And I'm not sure Revkin either gets it or has adopted it. <br /><br />There are far, far, far more people trying to tear down things than trying to build them up. I mean that of the ~12% of hard-core denialists, about half maybe are actively tearing down and the ~50% of the total population who are disconnected from everyday stuff outside their boxes tear down indirectly by inaction.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191155460701692880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61723242631280335712009-12-06T08:14:29.143-05:002009-12-06T08:14:29.143-05:00I said a long time ago that Mike Mann smelled of a...I said a long time ago that Mike Mann smelled of an ego scientist. Now we know how much riding a movement meant to him and that it distorted his fairness. I don't want that guy on any review panels or the such. He can still put out individual papers, but they will need to be checked.<br /><br />I'm not alone in my general opinion of Mike, not just from denialists too, and even before this fiasco.<br /><br />Goes double for Jones. I just never noticed him before.TCOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-1608533994397480472009-12-06T05:35:33.574-05:002009-12-06T05:35:33.574-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12034205099203355020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59582562676767291692009-12-05T00:52:35.236-05:002009-12-05T00:52:35.236-05:00"although to a degree Andy Revkin is beginnin..."although to a degree Andy Revkin is beginning to get it"<br /><br />Actually, to a large degree, Revkin has been showing signs of *adopting it*. Not the consequence of "gettting it" one would hope for ...dhogazanoreply@blogger.com