tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post5815766463622107481..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The 97% Need To Strike BackEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12933671357284159332013-10-22T00:19:36.445-04:002013-10-22T00:19:36.445-04:00> not a noteworthy finding,
> unless you&#...> not a noteworthy finding, <br />> unless you're a freshman <br />> taking Ecology 101<br /><br />Or a policy analyst, or ... <br /><br />Do many college students take Ecology, these days? <br /><br />When I was in college few outside biology even knew the word and fewer of those ever took the class. <br /><br />I'd guess ecology is still rarely thought about, let alone accurately.<br /><br />And don't get me started about environmentalists ...<br /><br />Some basics bear repetition, as they're so hard for people to be willing to hear.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23280138245951498062013-10-15T04:25:42.528-04:002013-10-15T04:25:42.528-04:00Jim, why not send it to Mora first for his comment...Jim, why not send it to Mora first for his comments? EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11564504028074903792013-10-14T23:41:56.225-04:002013-10-14T23:41:56.225-04:00Perhaps a bit off topic but not IMO. I feel progre...Perhaps a bit off topic but not IMO. I feel progressives should be taking no the tax inequity that the GOP have milked for years. The GOP do not fund abortion. Fine. A precedent. Why tolerate funding profits from the pollution of the commons that drive the Tea Party, climatic disruption, ocean acidification, GOP hostage taking of the government and toasting the planet for the Kidders?<br /><br />I am trying real hard to get some legs on this inequity and I am baffled why progressives are so passive in the face of supporting profits on pollution and eminent Toastville for the kidders. As I say the GOP do not fund abortion. Is Planetary ecocide any less deserving?Leifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610156568686353981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76539880272341422842013-10-14T18:50:03.707-04:002013-10-14T18:50:03.707-04:00It would be nice if scientists could argue about s...It would be nice if scientists could argue about science, and Morano does not help that.<br /><br />On the other hand, last I looked, Morano was the highest-paid employee of CFACT, which is a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) public charity, i.e., paid for by Richard Mellon Scaife and friends, and sometimes supported the Viscount.<br /><br />SO, the more egregious Morano is, the better, especially since CFACT differs from many other 501(c)(3)s of interest in NOT having any long-time funding from the tobacco companies.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53294749823974481422013-10-14T16:30:50.543-04:002013-10-14T16:30:50.543-04:00That biotic communities are affected differently, ...That biotic communities are affected differently, based on their inherent characteristics and local environmental dynamics, is not a noteworthy finding, unless you're a freshman taking Ecology 101.<br /><br />There are a number of problems with the science here, on the climate end, on the ecology end, on the worthiness of publication in Nature end, and more. Yes, I'm writing up my thoughts, starting here and hoping to continue:<br />http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/the-projected-timing-of-climate-departure-from-recent-variability/Jim Boulinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80044075417568878862013-10-14T15:40:25.751-04:002013-10-14T15:40:25.751-04:00Jim, pointing out that variability is local in how...Jim, pointing out that variability is local in how it affects the biosphere is, Eli would say important. Yes, the details are a off. The way natural variability was defined was probably a great overestimate. <br /><br />OTOH, Morano is not interested in people writing to Mora with intelligent questions/objections, but rather in beating up on them and that has to meet with considerable resistance.<br /><br />You would do well to gather your thoughts together an write Mora directly, he is responding to many. Eli would be happy to publish that correspodence. It is also worth noting that Mora is more of a WGII type than WGI.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3200692125904517472013-10-14T13:50:06.432-04:002013-10-14T13:50:06.432-04:00Let Morano do whatever he does, he's an attent...Let Morano do whatever he does, he's an attention-seeking idiot and what he does is irrelevant.<br /><br />That paper has a number of seriously questionable aspects, and illustrates some more general problems in the field.Jim Bouldinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66836966659250491452013-10-13T20:20:52.140-04:002013-10-13T20:20:52.140-04:00Blugre
Though I visited him to discuss a boat, it...Blugre<br /><br />Though I visited him <a href="http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2008/01/my-friend-the-w.html" rel="nofollow">to discuss a boat</a>, it was hard <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.07/space_pr.html" rel="nofollow">not to notice the ten foot wide pyramid and alien mural on his wall.</a>THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25129473519489164762013-10-13T15:47:26.931-04:002013-10-13T15:47:26.931-04:00@Mashey
No list, but I am surprised just how many...@Mashey<br /><br />No list, but I am surprised just how many examples of Morano "helpfully" providing the e-mail address a simple search turns up already:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.climatedepot.com+edu" rel="nofollow">site:www.climatedepot.com edu</a><br /><br />All the examples I have seen point to mainstream scientists offering inconvenient parts of the truth.bluegruenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-89309873935339865572013-10-13T13:51:45.484-04:002013-10-13T13:51:45.484-04:00http://judithcurry.com/2013/10/13/spinning-the-cli...http://judithcurry.com/2013/10/13/spinning-the-climate-model-observations-comparison-part-iii/#more-13310<br /><br />JC summary: Sure makes the Mora et al ‘we are toast by 2047′ argument, based on climate model projections, look pretty far off the mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14630532435304389412013-10-13T12:55:25.058-04:002013-10-13T12:55:25.058-04:00Does anyone have a good list of those treated this...Does anyone have a good list of those treated this way by Morano?John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45695204857345750152013-10-13T10:06:40.270-04:002013-10-13T10:06:40.270-04:00Russell, did pyramids and aliens come up in your m...Russell, did pyramids and aliens come up in your meeting with Rutan? I ask, as on his website he says otherwise (and claims to have been misrepresented by <i>Wired</i>):<br /><br />http://burtrutan.com/downloads/RutanIntroToJohnAlexanderUFOBook.pdf<br /><br />On topic: I'm sorry that yet another climate scientist gets the Two Minutes Hate treatment by the deniers.bluegruenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57343674041218352942013-10-12T19:07:08.115-04:002013-10-12T19:07:08.115-04:00Winged or nutflanged headgear seems to exert a st...Winged or nutflanged headgear seems to exert a strange attraction on the climatically challenged.<br /><br />The last individual I encountered wearing a wingnut hat was good and great Xtreme aircraft and catamaran designer Burt Rutan , who apart from agreeing with Marc Morano, believes space aliens built the pyramids, only to see them re-aranged by the glaciers of the Nile.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67534609712285406612013-10-12T13:11:31.300-04:002013-10-12T13:11:31.300-04:00http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/11/friday-funny...http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/11/friday-funny-the-warming-monster-at-the-door/#comments<br /><br />"h/t to Bob Fergusson."<br /><br />Watts is buddies with mini-Morano. No surprise there.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20408685247511422322013-10-12T11:23:02.448-04:002013-10-12T11:23:02.448-04:00Yeah, they said that about earthquakes and tsunami...Yeah, they said that about earthquakes and tsunamis too.Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4776980939047091862013-10-12T09:30:22.617-04:002013-10-12T09:30:22.617-04:00http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/11/friday-funny...http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/11/friday-funny-the-warming-monster-at-the-door/#commentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50257812013094000922013-10-12T09:16:59.923-04:002013-10-12T09:16:59.923-04:00 Thomas Lee Elifritz said...
Yes, but Morano ... Thomas Lee Elifritz said...<br /><br /> Yes, but Morano is an incorrigible wingnut with a long history of threats against scientists. These people are immune to attack with either logic or evidence.<br /><br /> Ditto Delingpole. History will not be kind to these people.<br /><br />I wholeheartedly agree, Professor LysenkoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29744967176569555992013-10-11T18:06:06.179-04:002013-10-11T18:06:06.179-04:00There are other strategies open. Not to be discuss...There are other strategies open. Not to be discussed here. Legal :) just in case you thought I was a wingnut.<br /><br />btw; Mora very generously took the time to reply to the support email. Evidence that such efforts do make a difference, people.The Old Man is backhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06299949591915788184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5892140283424491312013-10-11T17:18:25.140-04:002013-10-11T17:18:25.140-04:00Yes, but Morano is an incorrigible wingnut with a ...Yes, but Morano is an incorrigible wingnut with a long history of threats against scientists. These people are immune to attack with either logic or evidence.<br /><br />Ditto Delingpole. History will not be kind to these people. But attacking them just further inflames them. So if you are going to do it, just make occasional sport of it. Consider it as a form of entertainment. You'll feel much better about it that way as well.Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49538744512588124132013-10-11T16:36:27.965-04:002013-10-11T16:36:27.965-04:00TLE:
Eli has it exactly right.
It is not a questio...TLE:<br />Eli has it exactly right.<br />It is not a question of wingnuts self-destructing, it is that the tactic of Morano and co encouraging on onslaught of them against someone, in which case it is important for experienced, sane people to offer support and advice.<br /><br />Some people are/were long used to this.<br />Steve Schneider often told stories, such as the police asking him for copies of emails, but when he tried to send them, their spam filter kept rejecting them for obscenities.<br /><br />Andrew Weaver has a bulletin board outside his office at UVIC called "the wall of hate," basically to innoculate his grad students.<br /><br />You may recall the <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/02/01/416510/price-of-truth-limbaugh-operatives-encourage-abusive-hate-mail-at-female-evangelical-climate-scientist/" rel="nofollow">Similar attack on Katharine Hayhoe,</a> which boomeranged. (She was about the dumbest choice of target possible.)<br /><br />But all 3 of those folks were quite familiar with this junk. Every once in a while, these do lead to physical action, of which the eviscerated rat on Ben Santer's doorstep is the best-known. Still, many high-profile climate scientists I know get regular hate mail and the 2009/2010 attack on Mike Mann was organized this way, generating an inchoate mass of ill-formed academic misconduct complaints.<br /><br />But if this wave hits someone unused to it, at the very least it can waste time and and worst it can be very stressful. I have more than once had discussions with people who were fairly upset by this, including spending an hour or so on a phone with someone to explain how these things work, include a whole lot of threats that don't materialize, and then usually disappear pretty quickly as the flying monkeys go elsewhere.<br /><br />Of course, in a similar fashion, a certain Viscount is famed for <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/skeptics-journal-publishes-plagiarized-paper" rel="nofollow">writing/orchestrating nasty letters to university administrations.</a> In such cases, it makes a big difference to quickly offer informed help, be ready to write letters to administrators in support, etc. I've been involved in 2-3 such.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43634395495953827602013-10-11T16:04:09.651-04:002013-10-11T16:04:09.651-04:00hysterics
And when do you think carbon emissions ...<i>hysterics</i><br /><br />And when do you think carbon emissions will slow down and stop?<br /><br />Get a clue.Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51871500079683696152013-10-11T16:00:29.392-04:002013-10-11T16:00:29.392-04:00Sad but amusing how hysterics will rush to defend ...Sad but amusing how hysterics will rush to defend some one who excretes such gems as:<br /><br />"Extreme weather will soon be beyond anything ever experienced, and old record high temperatures will be the new low temperatures, Mora told IPS."<br /><br />LuciferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53974417042767750822013-10-11T12:57:06.926-04:002013-10-11T12:57:06.926-04:00http://ketchupisavegetable.com/?p=4982http://ketchupisavegetable.com/?p=4982Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-17304945479354684222013-10-11T11:54:02.077-04:002013-10-11T11:54:02.077-04:00In my opinion wing nuts don't need to be attac...In my opinion wing nuts don't need to be attacked. They generally self destruct. Like male moths.Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56884467067336637322013-10-11T07:15:22.843-04:002013-10-11T07:15:22.843-04:00Done. What's the plan for the counter-attack? ...Done. What's the plan for the counter-attack? :)The Old Man is backhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06299949591915788184noreply@blogger.com