tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post5300886000589792653..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: GOGI**EliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42052687414209778832008-04-04T17:45:00.000-04:002008-04-04T17:45:00.000-04:00True, but it is a reasonably strong hint that some...True, but it is a reasonably strong hint that something is rotten and you should sniff before swallowing<BR/><BR/>Besides which Eli is campaigning to get this into the WikipediaEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20071608249068395712008-04-04T16:38:00.000-04:002008-04-04T16:38:00.000-04:00The difference is:GIGO: if you put garbage in, you...The difference is:<BR/><BR/>GIGO: if you put garbage in, you certainly will get garbage out, whether the method is good or not.<BR/><BR/>GOGI: you observe that the result is garbage, now you have to figure out whether the method was wrong, the input was wrong, or both.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45801736064644590172008-03-28T01:33:00.000-04:002008-03-28T01:33:00.000-04:00Yeah guthrie, but Eli always was a backwards rabet...Yeah guthrie, but Eli always was a backwards rabett, and besides GOGI captures the point so well. If you get garbage out, you probably put garbage in, either as the data or the method.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33054105873695872742008-03-27T12:44:00.000-04:002008-03-27T12:44:00.000-04:00I always thought it was GiGo, as in Garbage in, Ga...I always thought it was GiGo, as in Garbage in, Garbage out. I first came across it in a Frank Herbert novel when I was at uni. <BR/><BR/>I am always astounded by the denialists ability to spot patterns using only their naked eyes, or to make shit up based upon their own predilections. <BR/><BR/>Anyone done a survey of these amateur auditors? I wonder if a higher percentage of them would be engineers than in the normal run of the mill blog commentators.guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992984293423290387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12159070635780182192008-03-26T16:36:00.000-04:002008-03-26T16:36:00.000-04:00... what I meant to say :)Someone who deals in cer...... what I meant to say :)<BR/>Someone who deals in certainty is shown an IPCC report dealing with uncertainty, and s/he may conclude they know nothing. Show them one paper demonstrating a sun-climate correlation and they may assume it's proven.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"‘Wanting something?’ inquired Jeff, lugging it up from far down.<BR/><BR/>‘Not exactly.’ Harrison eyed the succulent food display and decided that anything unsold by nightfall was not thrown out to the cats. ‘I’m looking for a certain person.’<BR/><BR/>‘Are you now? Usually I avoid that sort—but every man to his taste.’ He plucked a fat lip while he mused a moment, then suggested. ‘Try Sid Wilcock over on Dane Avenue. He’s the most certain man I know.’" -- <A HREF="http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.htm" REL="nofollow">And Then There Were None</A>, Eric Frank RussellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23858488332385219332008-03-26T01:10:00.000-04:002008-03-26T01:10:00.000-04:00I think I sort of disagree, as might Sir Francis B...I think I sort of disagree, as might Sir Francis Bacon:<BR/><BR/>"If a man will begin in certainties, he shall end in doubts, but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties."<BR/><BR/>Put another way, if you *always* think in terms of uncertainties, and the bounding thereof, you are not seduced by the idea of exactness in places where it isn't. There is often perfectly adequate understanding, as long as the uncertainty is small enough.<BR/><BR/>Psychologically, some people are comfortable with this, and with probabilistic arguments, either by inclination of training.<BR/><BR/>But many aren't, and are very uncomfortable with it.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25832446070648112592008-03-25T20:42:00.000-04:002008-03-25T20:42:00.000-04:00I find it a very common thing, when debating non-s...<I>I find it a very common thing, when debating non-scientists, that they think that if we don't know anything, we know nothing.</I><BR/><BR/>The corollary to 'if there is uncertainty, there is no understanding'; 'if there is understanding, there is certainty'. Like the plot of pi estimates on Deltoid, I thought <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bpl1960/ClimateSens01.bmp" REL="nofollow">this plot</A> neatly communicates a) convergence (confidence), b) outliers (skepticism). Seems knowledge from all the areas of climate science are trending toward one conclusion.<BR/>Thanks, Barton!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-78951713182492866792008-03-25T12:42:00.000-04:002008-03-25T12:42:00.000-04:00Still I think this Beck thing is potentially the l...Still I think this Beck thing is potentially the lackmus test for the entire sceptics scene: and its coloured dark red. Besides of two/three exceptions they all more or less agree with the brave bio teacher's revolt against the establishment. That gives you an idea how far they wanna go.<BR/>Cheers GeorgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47625923713459735482008-03-24T12:51:00.000-04:002008-03-24T12:51:00.000-04:00I find it a very common thing, when debating non-s...I find it a very common thing, when debating non-scientists, that they think that if we don't know anything, we know nothing. Or to refine it, if we don't know something for certain, we don't know anything at all. They ignore the fact that narrowing down the possibilities is very important, not to mention that precision is tricky.guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992984293423290387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-72759560075047494292008-03-23T13:09:00.000-04:002008-03-23T13:09:00.000-04:00Medieval Warm Pie!<A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/03/a_forum_for_laundering_pseudos.php#more" REL="nofollow">Medieval Warm Pie!</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73640929790773587342008-03-23T12:53:00.000-04:002008-03-23T12:53:00.000-04:00Um... then maybe make that "if I don't know anythi...Um... then maybe make that "if <I>I</I> don't know anything, then <I>we</I> know nothing"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50134866035944331352008-03-23T11:56:00.000-04:002008-03-23T11:56:00.000-04:00Hi bi,Nope, in Beck's case I mean exactly what I s...Hi bi,<BR/><BR/>Nope, in Beck's case I mean exactly what I said. He don't know anything, he just thinks he does.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19259095529639810212008-03-22T23:42:00.000-04:002008-03-22T23:42:00.000-04:00"if we don't know anything, we know nothing"By "an..."if we don't know anything, we know nothing"<BR/><BR/>By "anything" I think you mean "everything"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56689135791054330022008-03-22T23:33:00.000-04:002008-03-22T23:33:00.000-04:00"Is it really the intent of E&E to provide a forum..."Is it really the intent of E&E to provide a forum for laundering pseudo-science?"<BR/><BR/>Er, yes, very much so.<BR/>And I agree that scotch is very overrated, as are all strong liquors. For me nothing beats a good Bourgogne, although I have a weakness for the EKU from across the Rhine. <BR/>Saturnian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26442611002419252882008-03-22T22:51:00.000-04:002008-03-22T22:51:00.000-04:001) "The Winelands of Britain" expects that Loch Ne...1) "The Winelands of Britain" expects that Loch Ness will have a fine winery sometimes post-2100AD ... Maybe after a while, wine will take over from scotch.<BR/><BR/>2) Speaking of Sonja B-C, it appears that she changed her mind about rejecting the Schulte paper from last Fall.<BR/>http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mscp/ene/2008/00000019/00000002<BR/><BR/>So, it will take its place in E&E with Beck, etc.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-37794273813499222872008-03-22T15:50:00.000-04:002008-03-22T15:50:00.000-04:00How does this guy continue to get "air time"? He b...How does this guy continue to get "air time"? He brings to mind Bobby Vee and that bouncing rubber ball. <BR/><BR/>BTW, you're both wrong. The only way to take scotch is with ginger ale!<BR/><BR/>Take a scotch glass, fill it to the brim with your chosen brand of dry ginger ale. Consume. Aah!<BR/><BR/>I've tried it three or four times (scotch that is), and each time it reminds me of the taste one gets in one's mouth following behind the tarmacadam layer.<BR/><BR/>Disgusting and overrated drink, is my considered opinion. But each to their own. And mine's a ... anything but scotch.<BR/><BR/><I>Cymraeg llygoden</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82040346487593775972008-03-22T14:48:00.000-04:002008-03-22T14:48:00.000-04:00Very nice post. I'll also agree with the rabett, ...Very nice post. I'll also agree with the rabett, that when it comes to scotch there should be no ice in the good stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com