tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post4295098226262461486..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Tu Quoque or John Quiggin Does the DozensEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61386507483785846152014-04-24T15:29:09.020-04:002014-04-24T15:29:09.020-04:00you all have the defence of ignorance
or the fenc...you all have the defence of ignorance<br /><br />or the fence of?<br /><br />to fence with.....Semisovereign People at Largehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15059967568785109184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23671808013829181902014-04-23T23:57:55.113-04:002014-04-23T23:57:55.113-04:00http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_interne...http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_internet_resistance_is_futile.pngHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70305111774937624772014-04-23T14:52:21.847-04:002014-04-23T14:52:21.847-04:00Can the fucking free association verse bunnies.Can the fucking free association verse bunnies.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20612722463005764832014-04-23T14:47:18.367-04:002014-04-23T14:47:18.367-04:00My reading of Quiggin's remarks is that if you...My reading of Quiggin's remarks is that if you make tu quoque arguments then you've not only made an invalid argument you've also given the game away. You are essentially saying (in this instance) that yes, we disregard science but you do too. Now, even before you get to the point of proving the "you do too" by providing instance, verification, and relevance you've conceded the point. Tu Quoque, in this instance, is a political argument that boils down to: "So what? What are you going to do about it?"<br /><br />What is to be done, indeed.Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18732200008742302062014-04-23T14:41:28.834-04:002014-04-23T14:41:28.834-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Quoque est veritas quod simplex in vinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90880829101679355112014-04-23T14:29:42.562-04:002014-04-23T14:29:42.562-04:00are a common feature in all the scientific fields ...are a common feature in all the scientific fields since the greek's and babilonians made scientific remarks <br /><br />remark's or repound's or swiss francsold farths with silly ideasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79164348943962418972014-04-23T14:26:39.556-04:002014-04-23T14:26:39.556-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Para a Posteridade e mais Alémhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303074095059302919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9784106818537962272014-04-23T12:01:41.691-04:002014-04-23T12:01:41.691-04:00Well, the difference between the sexes when it com...Well, the difference between the sexes when it comes to GMO pizza is easily pseudo-explained by appealing to our evolutionary heritage and the usual division of labor. <br /><br />When you're running around the forest hunting wooly cave deer and dire sloths, you can't really afford to be picky about the provenance of those pizza slices you find along the way. Hunters need pepperoni for crucial calories, and they need it NOW! <br /><br />Your gatherers, on the other hand, they spend all day in the pizzaria patches foraging. They can take their sweet time and exercise a little discrimination. In fact, to ensure that only the best gathering is done, they really need to get choosy about taking the best slices and leaving the rest to mature on the vine for a little longer. When you aren't chasing around those wily and voluminously-girthed sabre-toothed mastodons, quality over quantity is the metric to go for. Your clan is depending on those gathered pizzas for the bulk of their nutrients, so it pays dividends when you dare to compare. <br /><br />(tongue firmly in cheek, next to a bite of warmed over frozen pizza)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76746192452914565412014-04-23T10:09:39.510-04:002014-04-23T10:09:39.510-04:00PS, an example from a while back of an old friend,...PS, an example from a while back of an old friend, a crop scientist, making a valiant effort to educate the "environmentalists" -- <br />http://littlebloginthebigwoods.blogspot.com/2007/10/fuelish-fantasies.html<br />Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-28290615680668477372014-04-23T09:22:53.505-04:002014-04-23T09:22:53.505-04:00Dan has misunderstood the excerpt from Quiggin pos...Dan has misunderstood the excerpt from Quiggin posted above, thinking the "implied claim" Quiggin describes in order to criticize is what Quiggin said. <br /><br />The "implied claim" that Quiggin is criticizing -- that one must join some political group -- is the mistake, as Russell has pointed out.<br /><br />Quiggin's right: the people to (provisionally) trust are those -- of any political persuasion -- who are "seeking to dissuade their own side from tribalist and anti-science rhetoric" -- and do that first.<br /><br />It's damned rare behavior, and rarely rewarding personally. So it goes.<br /><br />This is why I have respect for a diverse and often mutually incompatible group of people I'd like to consider friends -- people who struggle with themselves, and with their compatriots, before going out to improve everyone else's thinking.<br /><br />And ya know what? Feedback from those folks -- whose politics are all over the map -- is worth serious attention, because they make the effort so when they come to correct me, I can (provisionally) think they've probably thought the point through before bringing it up.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23064397392123408752014-04-23T09:11:58.175-04:002014-04-23T09:11:58.175-04:00Allow Eli to restate his position on GMOs, he eats...<i>Allow Eli to restate his position on GMOs, he eats the shit, as does about everyone on God's green Earth. </i> Really? Not in Europe.Turboblockenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80215542240266451732014-04-22T22:30:04.847-04:002014-04-22T22:30:04.847-04:00" there is no point in complaining about this...<i>" there is no point in complaining about this; the only thing to do is to pick a side and stick to it."</i><br /><br />Really? One can always pick up a stick and defend the proposition that the political neutrality of scientific institutuions must first exist in order to be respected.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77234604556591354132014-04-22T18:27:44.976-04:002014-04-22T18:27:44.976-04:00This is only for Greece and the authors note that,...<a href="http://www.eng.auth.gr/mattas/10_2_7.pdf" rel="nofollow">This is only for Greece</a> and the authors note that, but I thought their focus on political attitudes to globalisation was a good idea. They find a correlation between political view and GM attitude. Which I don't find surprising, having hung around anti-globalisation types a lot. Opposition to GM is a proxy for opposition to capitalism in these groups - though they don't see it that way. (This demographic also tends to be young and university educated).<br /><br />So that's within a pretty small subset of the population, but so's the group who `oppose' climate change. Which is where I find the comparison useful and interesting. Not so much for what these two groups oppose but what they accept without necessarily thinking through.<br /><br />For politics more broadly, I see Quiggin's point, but I don't think he's right to claim that believing "politics and ideology influence how we filter science" is synonymous with "politics is inherently a matter of tribalism and emotion, and that there is no point in complaining about this; the only thing to do is to pick a side and stick to it."Danhttp://www.coveredinbees.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27891126428464570002014-04-22T17:39:29.312-04:002014-04-22T17:39:29.312-04:00Interested in this blogs position on GMO mossies -...Interested in this blogs position on GMO mossies - two sides:<br /><br />http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/140115/panama-use-transgenic-mosquitoes-anti-dengue-bid<br /><br />http://farmwars.info/?p=9457<br /><br />Choose your poison...<br /><br />AnonySpilopsyllaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-50392519342192881412014-04-22T15:36:16.681-04:002014-04-22T15:36:16.681-04:00> go forward but be observant
Yup. That would...> go forward but be observant<br /><br />Yup. That would be a welcome attitude if industry could maintain it too.<br /><br />“Biologically rational decisions may not be politically possible once investment has occurred.”<br /><br />Science 5 January 2007: Vol. 315 no. 5808 p. 45, DOI: 10.1126/science.1135767 Policy Forum SUSTAINABILITY<br />Anchovy Fishery Threat to Patagonian Ecosystem<br />https://www.cabrillo.edu/~ncrane/sci1-07anchovy%20fishery.pdf<br /><br />Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.com