tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post3906661285223822138..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Climate Club Adopts Eli Rabett's Simple PlanEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5239557685320757072015-05-29T02:09:07.502-04:002015-05-29T02:09:07.502-04:00Don't be such an optimist, Bernard J. Somethin...Don't be such an optimist, Bernard J. Something might go wrong.<br /><br />https://thelukewarmersway.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/ipcc-wg2-tells-us-what-26-key-risks-of-climate-change-are-and-how-to-fight-them/Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12747117922597525042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57576704039052852112015-05-21T12:05:07.939-04:002015-05-21T12:05:07.939-04:00I'm desperately concerned that Paris will be a...I'm desperately concerned that Paris will be a monumental squib, at a time when it is almost certainly the last feasible chance of initiating effective mitigation action on climate change. I fervently hope that penalties for persistent inaction are discussed and agreed on: there is simply no excuse for any further delay.<br /><br /><br />Additionally, I believe that countries who have actively moved to hinder progress on effective pre-emptive action should receive additional and automatic penalties, no matter their subsequent participation. Australia stands out as the notable case-in-point: it eschewed a leadership role in climate change mitigation and confused the politics, economics and science of the problem with its conservative government's rabid hatred for and repealing of an effective carbon tax. In any fair consideration of due diligence this was an unconscionable act, and should not be left unpunished.<br /><br />The world needs to get its collective head around a simple calculus:<br /><br />At 2° C over preindustrial mean global temperature (and in consert with other, non-climate challenges), international governance and the cohesion of many and probably most nation-states will eventually fail. The biosphere will be severely damaged and significant portions of the human population will suffer and even die from climate disruption.<br /><br />At 4° C over preindustrial mean global temperature, global and national <i>civilisation</i> structures will effectively fail, as will many and indeed probably most local-civilisation apparatus. Present-day Cuba will be as (or better than...) a First World country is now should this amount of warming occur. There will be so much extinction of flora and fauna species that humans' ability to garner a sustainable living from biodiversity will fail, with <b>catastrophic</b> consequences for large swathes of the population.<br /><br />At 6° C over preindustrial mean global temperature, humans will have no long-term particiption in the ongoing evolution of (any?) intelligent life on the planet. None whatsoever. Even high-tech enclaves will not offer refuge from premature extinction, because too many complex societal systems will have failed and too much pre-industrial skill will have been lost for tech to remain coherent and to push aginst the thermodynamic cost of FUBARing our ecology. A majority of the eukaryotic taxonomy will be committed to extinction as well, many taxa before humans, and many afterward, even millenia after.<br /><br />Any uncertainty in the estimations will be biased to the scientifically (not politically) conservative side, especially in the context of eventual equilibrium of the global system.<br /><br /><br />That's the calculus.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18639248300817865992015-05-20T03:57:15.817-04:002015-05-20T03:57:15.817-04:00ELi's plan will of course require a management...ELi's plan will of course require <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/05/tom-harris-free-speech-and.html?showComment=1432105226505#c7439868369760471561" rel="nofollow">a management strategy</a>.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62958448630305196122015-05-19T14:47:31.369-04:002015-05-19T14:47:31.369-04:00Congratulations FL, you have an impressive noise t...Congratulations FL, you have an impressive noise to signal ratio.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76635110145380296462015-05-19T06:41:55.606-04:002015-05-19T06:41:55.606-04:00Barton, the aluminum foil hat originated with a jo...Barton, the aluminum foil hat originated with a joke I played on greenpeace followers 20 years ago. I penetrated their organization and got them to wear those to avoid falling victim to Koch brother conspiracies. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44159297117346505042015-05-18T21:20:15.102-04:002015-05-18T21:20:15.102-04:00I think ... that we should ... AC the entire plane...I think ... that we should ... AC the entire planet ... specifically SE Asia, the Middle East, all of Africa, and most of South America using only 100% renewables.<br /><br />Though we might have to slightly tighten up the corrugated metal shanty towns and thatched huts.<br /><br />We gotta install microwave ovens custom kitchen deliveries<br />We gotta move these refrigerators we gotta move these color T.V.'s.<br /><br />They want their MTV.Everett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42104110756676792872015-05-18T21:03:06.628-04:002015-05-18T21:03:06.628-04:00CIP
plus anybody who lives in a cold or hot place ...CIP<br /><b>plus anybody who lives in a cold or hot place and needs heat or AC.</b><br /><br />I don't understand this. Would not the hot and cold people save on the other tax changes and essentially come out even? jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16029287906681854102015-05-18T19:04:19.783-04:002015-05-18T19:04:19.783-04:00FL: And then there's the repressive psychos ...FL: And then there's the repressive psychos like norgard who want to medicate me and alter my brain with cheap prescription drugs.<br /><br />BPL: They may be trying to control your mind with radio signals, too. But there is a defense, and it's inexpensive and effective. Just fashion a helmet out of aluminum foil. Be sure to cover the entire cranium.Barton Paul Levensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630802738456749652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6496088291173531262015-05-18T18:46:22.060-04:002015-05-18T18:46:22.060-04:00Your friend nordhause doesn't know much about...Your friend nordhause doesn't know much about geoengineering. Therefore he can't muster much of an argument against it. <br /><br />Regarding your plan, that sounds fine. It's almost identical to mine, but I support adjustments using pielke's proposal to change it according to the actual temperature change (for example the last decades average). But none of this sells. We got too many solar bunnies and wind groupies who live in lava lamps and repeat endless slogans. And then there's the repressive psychos like norgard who want to medicate me and alter my brain with cheap prescription drugs. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91055879103685676432015-05-18T15:18:20.414-04:002015-05-18T15:18:20.414-04:00Mispasted text in the quote:
We can look at s...Mispasted text in the quote:<br /><br /> We can look at successful treaties [misplaced text appears here]<br />such as the European Union, the World Trade Organization, or military alliances as models for a more promising climate treaty.<br /><br />This is the misplaced text:<br />[ If large enough chunks of the world economy, for example, the EU and Japan adopt this, manufacturers world wide have to follow across the board no matter where they are. There are not going to be separate lines to produce whatever for North America and Europe in China. And yes, as in all things there would be some gaming of the system. It’s the price you pay for lawyers and economists.]Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22817082874329820042015-05-18T13:07:09.453-04:002015-05-18T13:07:09.453-04:00 I wondered what that guy was doing at Breakthroug... I wondered what that guy was doing at Breakthrough.afemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08364320934289732272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-64990177439439584962015-05-18T11:27:33.962-04:002015-05-18T11:27:33.962-04:00It is a very good plan - probably the only workabl...It is a very good plan - probably the only workable plan, but unfortunately it will be a very hard sell. Of course big energy will hate it, but so will all those guys and girls in pickup trucks, plus anybody who lives in a cold or hot place and needs heat or AC.CapitalistImperialistPighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17523405806602731435noreply@blogger.com