tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post3636290121113796996..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Libya learning and persuasionEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-382076870173660792011-08-23T19:27:57.140-04:002011-08-23T19:27:57.140-04:00Brian Schmidt --- Which Swedish model was that? T...<b>Brian Schmidt</b> --- Which Swedish model was that? They are all quite spectacular...David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29148027665773590982011-08-23T12:24:34.420-04:002011-08-23T12:24:34.420-04:00Cyn is probably a LaRouchie, doesn't like the ...Cyn is probably a LaRouchie, doesn't like the Queen of England much either.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88229385407618376182011-08-23T11:44:05.212-04:002011-08-23T11:44:05.212-04:00> debt slaves to the Rothschilds et al.
And th...> debt slaves to the Rothschilds et al.<br /><br />And there I was thinking anti-semitism was dead. Silly meMartin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16735888050537652012011-08-23T11:36:35.338-04:002011-08-23T11:36:35.338-04:00Actually Cynthia dear, it's a dog whistle, and...Actually Cynthia dear, it's a dog whistle, and you might spend some time looking it up.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-85324916959718106612011-08-23T11:31:19.990-04:002011-08-23T11:31:19.990-04:00Hear me bleat a link, then:
New Libya, Welcomed i...Hear me bleat a link, then:<br /><br />New Libya, Welcomed in Mideast, Rejects NATO Bases<br /><br />http://www.juancole.com/2011/08/13169.html<br /><br />(And it's offtopic, but I do think Obama should've used the Swedish model of nationalizing/reselling failing banks.)Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73414242250129045842011-08-23T10:32:56.855-04:002011-08-23T10:32:56.855-04:00Brian,
Apparently you are one of those leftist sh...Brian,<br /><br />Apparently you are one of those leftist sheep who's incapable of thinking beyond the stifling confines of political correctness; otherwise, you'd know that "the Rothschilds et al" is just a more colorful way of saying the global banking cartels. And if you are so clueless as to not know that the global banking cartels are playing a central role in the West's hegemonic activities around the world, especially in resource-rich regions of the world, then you are more gullible and thus more fleeceable sheep than I thought. Remember this when the global banks drive us into a depression and then into more wars.cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57648730854209714322011-08-23T01:04:57.860-04:002011-08-23T01:04:57.860-04:00Rothschilds? Oh come on.Rothschilds? Oh come on.Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66401570737088637092011-08-22T19:59:52.216-04:002011-08-22T19:59:52.216-04:00Brian,
Even if the Libyans ever did manage to set...Brian,<br /><br />Even if the Libyans ever did manage to set up a government that respects the rule of law and embraces freedom and democracy, US and NATO forces will be there to destroy it and impose a western-owned media with a puppet head of state dependent on western money for their survival and loyal to Western powers. This will give them carte blanche to rob the Libyan people of their (black) oil as well as (blue) water wealth.<br /><br />Winning the war against Ghaddafi will be the 'easy' part. But keeping the Central Banking jackals at bay will prove to be much harder, especially since they are bankrolling the rebels and I believe have already set up the framework for a Libyan Central Bank. This will cause Libyans to become debt slaves to the Rothschilds et al.<br /><br />American imperialism under the guise of humanitarianism is not to be trusted and all the liberal sheep that have supported this NATO aggression have been taken for a ride by the warmongering neocons led by Hillary Clinton who was such an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-11871414517580796462011-08-22T19:05:27.401-04:002011-08-22T19:05:27.401-04:00And since our esteemed friends on the left will sp...And since our esteemed friends on the left will spend equal time showing the picture of Obama shaking hands with Gaddafi, as they did for that Rumsfeld-Saddam picture.<br /><br /><br />Although consistent positions is not the strong point of the left.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-17695259490510383012011-08-22T19:00:03.613-04:002011-08-22T19:00:03.613-04:00Cynthia said...
"I wish the best for the peo...Cynthia said...<br /><br />"I wish the best for the people of Libya, however I still don't believe Obama had the authority to take us to war without a declaration of war by Obama. Just because he got away with it doesn't make it right. We don't need dictators from the right or left running our country."<br /><br /><br />Obama said (2007)...<br /><br />"The president does not have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize and military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," he told The Boston Globe in 2007 in his presidential campaign. "History has shown us time and again ... that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the legislative branch."<br /><br /><br />So Cynthia Obama agreed with you, before he didn't.<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14184910886954789832011-08-22T18:19:09.121-04:002011-08-22T18:19:09.121-04:00Brian Schmidt --- It was already clear it was you,...<b>Brian Schmidt</b> --- It was already clear it was you, via the lack of snark even if somebody failed to note who posted it.<br /><br />And I never bet $$.David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66922957728196775992011-08-22T16:53:37.545-04:002011-08-22T16:53:37.545-04:00Arrgh, maybe I should be clearer - a non-bettor mi...Arrgh, maybe I should be clearer - a non-bettor might not know what I meant by making it interesting. Now you do.Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86995259807886183042011-08-22T16:52:07.225-04:002011-08-22T16:52:07.225-04:00"Unfortunately, the way events are unfolding ..."Unfortunately, the way events are unfolding in Libya are almost guaranteed to see a U.S. military base get built, regardless of what the Libyan people might think."<br /><br />Care to make that prediction interesting?Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5046107064319313762011-08-22T16:46:14.721-04:002011-08-22T16:46:14.721-04:00We are the borgWe are the borgEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-61519602965857542622011-08-22T16:45:49.140-04:002011-08-22T16:45:49.140-04:00Seeing as my OP is somewhat controversial, I'l...Seeing as my OP is somewhat controversial, I'll just point it's me, not Eli, making these statements. <br /><br />Normally I don't bother with the clarification....Brian Schmidthttp://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29331045581387564492011-08-22T16:30:25.822-04:002011-08-22T16:30:25.822-04:00The Institute for Public Accuracy (www.accuracy.or...The Institute for Public Accuracy (www.accuracy.org) publicizes dissenting viewpoints that are excluded by the mainstream media. They ask whether Libya faces <a href="http://www.accuracy.org/release/libya-liberation-or-re-colonization/" rel="nofollow"> liberation or re-colonization.</a><br /><br />As Pepe Escobar emphasizes (See IPA above), the main force within the Arab League pushing for NATO to attack Libya was Saudi Arabia. Anyone who thinks that the Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a force for democracy in the Arab world has a very droll sense of humor. <br /><br />Physicist Jean Bricmont and journalist Diana Johnstone ask, Now that NATO has saved Libya from Quadhafi, <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/bricmont08162011.html" rel="nofollow">who will save Libya from its Western saviours?</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575837647825433144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56405011359057966362011-08-22T15:50:37.641-04:002011-08-22T15:50:37.641-04:00"The Big Gaddafi" is a must-read by Pepe..."The Big Gaddafi" is a must-read by Pepe Escobar, the Brazilian-born war correspondent who coined the term "Pipelineistan":<br /><br />http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH20Ak01.html<br /><br />"...He had always known why they came to pee on his carpet. Because he didn't hand the Brits, the Frogs or the Yanks the oil concessions they wanted. So now those unspeakable Saudi bastards started propping up these fanatic al-Qaeda-related types - just like they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s.<br /><br />Western 'banksters' invented an 'alternative' Central Bank - with HSBC's help to rob Libya's money. They also invented a new, to be fully privatized, national oil company, managed by Qatar, to rob Libya's oil...<br /><br />Well, if this is the kind of paradise NATO plus those "democrat" Saudis and Qataris wanted, the Arab Dude would abide - and make their lives hell. A free market free-for-all, an Africom base in the Mediterranean, a flimsy puppet government, a Libyan Karzai - and a vicious guerrilla force fighting them till Kingdom Come. Afghanistan remixed.<br /><br />Blowback will come - and it will be a bitch."cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-82806546678387138342011-08-22T15:24:17.235-04:002011-08-22T15:24:17.235-04:00Also keep in mind that the rebel group has 3 compo...Also keep in mind that the rebel group has 3 components - genuine disaffected Libyans, opportunistic ex-Gadhaffi henchmen and al-Qaeda supporters. The rebels are being trained and supplied with weapons by UK ex-SAS mercenaries. Gadhaffi's military stores are being and have been looted of their weapons including ground-to-air missiles. What could possibly go wrong?<br /><br />Several things are certain. The US will finally have a base on the African Continent for Africom. Libyans assets will be sold off or even given away (somebody has got to pay for the war) to large corporations. The ordinary Libyans will be shafted by dramatic increases in costs of services. Welcome to the Free World via the Shock Doctrine!cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33762886565923425392011-08-22T15:08:51.679-04:002011-08-22T15:08:51.679-04:00Eli,
I would like to remind you that Kabul fell t...Eli,<br /><br />I would like to remind you that Kabul fell to US air power and the Northern Alliance in less time than this. Bagdad fell to US troops in less time than this. The truth is that nobody knows what will happen next. However, I doubt it will be all roses and sunshine.<br /><br />I wish the best for the people of Libya, however I still don't believe Obama had the authority to take us to war without a declaration of war by Obama. Just because he got away with it doesn't make it right. We don't need dictators from the right or left running our country.cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66509464174971430442011-08-22T15:04:12.728-04:002011-08-22T15:04:12.728-04:00After two steps back in Tunisia and Egypt for Wash...After two steps back in Tunisia and Egypt for Washington, Washington and its imperialist allies take a step forward in Libya, in the quest to put the genie back in the bottle. Unfortunately, the way events are unfolding in Libya are almost guaranteed to see a U.S. military base get built, regardless of what the Libyan people might think. Whatever independence the uprising against Ghadaffi might have had back in February disappeared the minute the imperialist bombs starting raining down on the country and the foundations for a Quisling regime in Libya started being laid. This is a major setback for the Arab Spring.cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01031186235906175633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75972189715892863602011-08-22T14:12:07.661-04:002011-08-22T14:12:07.661-04:00John Puma --- The war machine currently consumes a...<b>John Puma</b> --- The war machine currently consumes about<br /> $1,200 billion dollars per annum.<br /><br />The Real US National Security Budget: 1.2 Trillion<br />http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/real-us-national-security-budget-1-trillion<br /><br />[Half of that would be plenty to stop global warming and beginning to put the excess carbon back underground.]David B. Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917182411282836875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-36960571472803453302011-08-22T13:55:00.967-04:002011-08-22T13:55:00.967-04:00"He has finessed the Constitution, undoubtedl..."He has finessed the Constitution, undoubtedly, and that is a bad precedent. But Presidents have been doing that since Thomas Jefferson had his own little war against Tripoli pirates."<br /><br />Which, of course, tags Jefferson, not Obama, as setting the precedent ...<br /><br />On the other hand, destroying pirate bases in order to protect one's merchant shipping had a long precedent in the international law regarding trade on the sea, and didn't then and doesn't now fit the legal definition of law. Any more than our capturing and trying Somali pirates who attack American (or other) merchant shipping (and tourists) is legally a war.dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29810361855939885432011-08-22T13:52:18.935-04:002011-08-22T13:52:18.935-04:00"The big lesson of Iraq, one that I didn'..."The big lesson of Iraq, one that I didn't realize in advance, is that chaos can be even worse than the Leviathon of tyranny (somebody should write that concept up)."<br /><br />Huh. That was exactly the argument the military made against toppling Saddam at the end of the first gulf war. And a fair number of higher-ups in the previous elder Bush administration spoke and wrote about their opposition to the toppling of Saddam by W, and the complexity of the situation in Iraq (essentially a creation of European powers after WW I of three distinct ethnic groups who have a history of hatred for each other, not a recipe for peace).<br /><br />The elder Bushies were clear on the point that you've learned from the W adventure, i.e. the first gulf war emasculated Saddam in terms of being able to do regional mischief (ignoring the reality that in the past much of that mischief had been sponsored by us) while leaving Iraq ruled by "the Leviathon of tyranny".<br /><br />Iraq may stabilize in a reasonable way yet. Nothing's going to change the fact that the pretenses under which we invaded were as false as those manufactured by Germany in order to "justify" its "defensive" invasion of Poland in 1939 ...dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43569024272754233702011-08-22T12:45:55.822-04:002011-08-22T12:45:55.822-04:00cRR said:"The right opposed it because Khadaf...cRR said:"The right opposed it because Khadaffi had become their friend. "<br /><br />I am afraid the only reason the right opposed it was because Obama was for it.<br /><br />Smoking chicken bunnyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83159650288586738302011-08-22T10:02:40.668-04:002011-08-22T10:02:40.668-04:00I thought it was Leviathan, a specie that might ap...I thought it was Leviathan, a specie that might appreciate coyotes.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.com