tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post2502720920860481982..comments2024-03-18T03:27:18.777-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: The Green Plate EffectEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger517125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-90979136744844452412020-09-03T10:52:38.305-04:002020-09-03T10:52:38.305-04:00Green Plate effect is fantastic phyisics. Let'...Green Plate effect is fantastic phyisics. Let's have the two plates in close contact, and make the experiment. Obviously, when they are in contact, they reach the same temperature. Then detach them - all of the sudden the blue one will have a nice temperature boost !<br />Great entertainment for future generations to learn their grandfathers were so incredibly dumb.<br />Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04887537361385788605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-71311853376911853702020-03-03T17:58:35.809-05:002020-03-03T17:58:35.809-05:00Not sure if any thinking persons will ever read th...Not sure if any thinking persons will ever read this - why would they visit this website, but:<br />Numbering the pictures from above downwards as 1, 2, 3 etc., madness arises in the comment to picture 4.<br />In picture 4, there is 400 going into the blue plate, and 400 leaving it, and 200 going into the green plate, and 200 leaving it, thus thermal equilibrium. There is 400 going into the two plate system, and also 400 leaving it, 200 from the blue plate, and 200 from the green plate. It follows from the 2nd law of therodynamics that the green plate, warmed by the blue plate, has a lower temperature - and a lower radiation intensity, and cannot heat the blue plate.<br />It is this 2nd law of thermodynamics that "professor" Eli is trying to disprove, and he does so by assuming - as a foundation for his "analysis", that the law doesn't work. <br />And people are buying it? I'm amazed anything in the US works!NotBrainDeadYethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11181214178411704583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43435959107202004912017-11-26T03:48:21.886-05:002017-11-26T03:48:21.886-05:00You indicate that the unit on the left hand side i...You indicate that the unit on the left hand side is Watt. Watt is Nm/s. That's not the same as N/m^2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42506345300512125292017-11-25T19:53:55.292-05:002017-11-25T19:53:55.292-05:00OpenID marcoclimate said...
"If with g you me...OpenID marcoclimate said...<br />"If with g you mean gravity, then the units don't fit. <br /><br />That usually indicates a major problem...<br /><br />28/10/17 11:10 AM"<br /><br />Units are N/m^2. Same as Newtons G.<br /><br />Do you mean that g can only act in a point, and not on a surface?<br /><br />Retarded.lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26680118252849082012017-11-25T19:49:46.632-05:002017-11-25T19:49:46.632-05:00Blogger Christian Anders said...
" explain ...Blogger Christian Anders said...<br /><br /><br />" explain one thing: How does clothing warm the human body in winter? The clothing is always colder than the body."<br /><br />This will hurt a bit.<br /><br />The answer is:<br /><br />BY PREVENTING ABSORPTION OF HEAT IN THE SURROUNDINGS!!!<br /><br />The opposite of the greenhouse effect, which increases absorption in the cold surroundings. Which means, gh-gases cools the planet.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_insulation<br /><br />"Heat flow is an inevitable consequence of contact between objects of different temperature. Thermal insulation provides a region of insulation in which thermal conduction is reduced or thermal radiation is reflected rather than absorbed by the lower-temperature body."lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22366304637379403272017-11-25T19:43:07.580-05:002017-11-25T19:43:07.580-05:00"Now lets add another plate. We'll color ..."Now lets add another plate. We'll color this plate green for greenhouse. It is heated by the first at a rate of 200 W/m2"<br /><br />This means that the added plate has a temperature of 0K.<br /><br />If the rate of heat transfer to the added plate is 200W/m^2 from the emitting plate at a temperature equal to 200W/m^2, the added plate must have a temperature of 0K.<br /><br />Heat is the transfer of energy according to differences in emissive power.<br />Of course, the added plate will not have a temperature at 0K. Which means that the transfer cannot be 200W/m^2. The transfer of heat, depends on the emissive power of the added plate. The transfer depends on the potential in the differences. <br /><br />Both plates at equal temperature=no transfer.<br /><br />Then, why would there be a transfer from low T to high T if the added plate drops in temperature?<br /><br />This would mean that decreasing the energy in one body, causes an increased transfer of energy from that body. Which is a ridiculous statement.<br /><br />Adding a plate at lower temperature, causes an addition of transferred energy, ON TOP of the emission of energy according to the temperature of the hotter emitter.<br /><br />Adding a colder body, only causes increased draining of heat from the source. The hot body, the heat source of the cold body, must now supply them both with energy to sustain constant emission simultaneously. <br />The transfer sustains emission from the cold body. They now share the energy of the heat flow. Of course, this causes the warm body to drop in temperature.<br /><br />Example: heat a rock by hanging it over a fire. Then put it in a bucket of water. Does the temperature increase when adding the water? Or does it drop?<br /><br />Adding a heat absorbing mass to a hot body, always causes a drop in temperature. Only heat and work can increase temperature.lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-35369862259747393142017-11-06T20:31:06.211-05:002017-11-06T20:31:06.211-05:00Kevin, please quote Fourier himself, not some cran...Kevin, please quote Fourier himself, not some crank who fabricates history. What did Fourier say AFTER the layers-of-GLASS experiment?<br /><br />P.S. That's not even what fourier analysis is about, dumbass.Betty Poundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770072864644204965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66079371815033252722017-11-01T09:07:55.808-04:002017-11-01T09:07:55.808-04:00Greetings, fellow Aussie marsupial. I don't th...Greetings, fellow Aussie marsupial. I don't think anyone was under any illusions about the likelihood of Betty seeing reason. It was more about making it painfully obvious why he was wrong, and that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about. And Betty's rantings helped make that case.Quokkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08995424577586966600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-30124916855395689822017-10-28T21:28:48.260-04:002017-10-28T21:28:48.260-04:00I really don’t know whether to congratulate those ...I really don’t know whether to congratulate those commenters who clearly do understand physics for their persistence and ongoing civility or to marvel at their naivety for thinking it is possible to explain anything to the likes of Betty. Surely once she broke out into her initial burst of obscenities it was time to declare victory and ignore her. We have better things to do with our lives. Wombathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741189551648572262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-49072304105139565262017-10-28T18:10:46.504-04:002017-10-28T18:10:46.504-04:00BP: Do you want Fourier's analysis? I don'...BP: Do you want Fourier's analysis? I don't think so. As Spencer Weart writes in '<a href="https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm" rel="nofollow">The Discovery of Global Warming" </a>- <br /><br />"<i>Beginning with work by Joseph Fourier in the 1820s, scientists had understood that gases in the atmosphere might trap the heat received from the Sun. As Fourier put it, energy in the form of visible light from the Sun easily penetrates the atmosphere to reach the surface and heat it up, but heat cannot so easily escape back into space. For the air absorbs invisible heat rays (“infrared radiation”) rising from the surface. The warmed air radiates some of the energy back down to the surface, helping it stay warm. This was the effect that would later be called, by an inaccurate analogy, the "greenhouse effect." The equations and data available to 19th-century scientists were far too poor to allow an accurate calculation. Yet the physics was straightforward enough to show that a bare, airless rock at the Earth's distance from the Sun should be far colder than the Earth actually is.<br /></i><br /><br />There's Fourier's analysis. 200 years ago. Without calculator or computer. Funny how some people are still stuck on 'problems' that were solved 200 years ago.<br />Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3210632569239211882017-10-28T15:59:08.121-04:002017-10-28T15:59:08.121-04:00Eli thinks his laptop charges faster when he has a...Eli thinks his laptop charges faster when he has a smartphone charging from it.<br /><br />Eli can't complete his "fourier analysis" because it demolishes his stupid arguments.Betty Poundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770072864644204965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34177841621695150892017-10-28T14:09:29.508-04:002017-10-28T14:09:29.508-04:00If a colder object is unable to transfer energy to...If a colder object is unable to transfer energy to a hotter object/plate/box....<br /><br />Then Maxwell's Demon must be between them blocking all the colder/slower/lower frequency energy from getting into the hotter box/plate/object?<br />izenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-46763742753199265512017-10-28T12:14:43.307-04:002017-10-28T12:14:43.307-04:00First law is ΔU = Q + W
Since TSI (radiation from...First law is ΔU = Q + W<br /><br />Since TSI (radiation from the sun) is Q, not ΔU, then the comment makes no sense. Timothy Folkertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388644695220684246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33394147877744883692017-10-28T11:10:52.364-04:002017-10-28T11:10:52.364-04:00If with g you mean gravity, then the units don'...If with g you mean gravity, then the units don't fit. <br /><br />That usually indicates a major problem...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76903525975390109072017-10-28T09:21:39.839-04:002017-10-28T09:21:39.839-04:00Try this:
TSI(1360.8W)=W(4g²)+Q(4*sb*256⁴)
First...Try this:<br /><br />TSI(1360.8W)=W(4g²)+Q(4*sb*256⁴)<br /><br />First law, you lose.<br />lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-26311165859731219512017-10-28T09:17:18.862-04:002017-10-28T09:17:18.862-04:00"They neglect the fact that heating and cooli..."They neglect the fact that heating and cooling are dynamic processes and thermodynamics is not."<br /><br />I came this far, and then I stopped.<br /><br />Thermo-*dynamics* is apparently not dynamic according to Eli. Speaking volumes about climate science lifeisthermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007629221165162210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77837866188588004292017-10-27T15:13:28.653-04:002017-10-27T15:13:28.653-04:00BP:Eli, and charging your smartphone simultaneousl...BP:Eli, and charging your smartphone simultaneously charges your laptop too, right? Just like the blue plate "charges" the green plate and itself.<br /><br />Well yeah, if the laptop is plugged into the wall. EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9151100276220994322017-10-27T15:11:22.284-04:002017-10-27T15:11:22.284-04:00Hey BP cool your jets or Eli will start deleting p...<br />Hey BP cool your jets or Eli will start deleting posts where you complain about your posts that call others names being deleted. Rabett Run is not a bullshit friendly neighborhood. Don't even think of whining.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18355741000578920552017-10-27T05:58:24.768-04:002017-10-27T05:58:24.768-04:00Re. "Christian, why would I repeat the severa...Re. "Christian, why would I repeat the several paragraphs I wrote, when Eli will just delete them for contrived self-serving reasons, instead of the actual reason: his embarassment (sic)," about all that comes to mind when dealing with a perpetual energy crank is: <br /><br />Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!...Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!...Ooh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?<br /><br />I guess you got to be "scientist" in your anarcho-syndicalist commune for a bit. But isn't your term supposed to be limited to just one week?<br /><br />Do you remember I predicted you'd behave like this several hundred posts ago? Cranks never fail to act like cranks.jgnfldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345702872292499039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-71681793461175137072017-10-27T02:40:07.097-04:002017-10-27T02:40:07.097-04:00Maybe the relation of offensive terms and reinvent...Maybe the relation of offensive terms and reinvented physics was too unbalanced, if you simply book keep those? <br /><br />It is a pity: I had been curious about the new creative approach you made to tell how creation and destruction of energy fit perfectly well within the frames of physics by just the right distinction between heat and energy, and - I'm nearly sure - the ongoing neglecting of this little thing called "constant input" coming from the sun.<br /><br />You have invented at least two parts of physics yet unknown to all who study the subject: adiabatic enclosures containing energy sources and destruction of photons by interference. What else you might have in store to revolutionize the ancient knowledge of standard physics? We will never know, for Eli suppresses this superior knowledge out of pure shame...Chris A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18367529816136236930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22368137678597844962017-10-26T21:48:43.169-04:002017-10-26T21:48:43.169-04:00Christian, why would I repeat the several paragrap...Christian, why would I repeat the several paragraphs I wrote, when Eli will just delete them for contrived self-serving reasons, instead of the actual reason: his embarassment.<br /><br />Looks like you will be stuck in fantasy land forever, just like the little child you are.Betty Poundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770072864644204965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-43564152855867008832017-10-26T18:07:23.830-04:002017-10-26T18:07:23.830-04:00Eli, and charging your smartphone simultaneously c...Eli, and charging your smartphone simultaneously charges your laptop too, right? Just like the blue plate "charges" the green plate and itself.<br /><br />Christian, you're out of luck. Eli is embarassed by my response to you.Betty Poundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770072864644204965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52975005980011343852017-10-26T16:35:51.855-04:002017-10-26T16:35:51.855-04:00Did I miss anything of substance? Though deleted, ...Did I miss anything of substance? Though deleted, on the start page I find a comment of Betty starting with "Christian, you still confuse heat and energy, you..."<br /><br />To that: If you are not claiming that heat is no energy once put in by the sun, you have nothing of logical substance to say against my book keeping. But if you do, you left the realms of physics. Simple as that. Feel free to decide of what sort your failure is!<br /><br />Chris A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18367529816136236930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68580668715158786202017-10-26T14:30:46.992-04:002017-10-26T14:30:46.992-04:00Eli charges his smartphone from his laptop on occa...Eli charges his smartphone from his laptop on occasionEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80096112072025955002017-10-26T14:11:23.954-04:002017-10-26T14:11:23.954-04:00The blue plate is a laptop, and this is what Eli a...The blue plate is a laptop, and this is what Eli adds to it:<br /><br />http://www.howtohacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/unlimited-laptop-power-cable.png<br />Betty Poundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770072864644204965noreply@blogger.com