tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post2228641655239095817..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Not a Slam DunkEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70360454324853171382012-03-09T19:53:30.144-05:002012-03-09T19:53:30.144-05:00May s/he had a kid in school and didn't like t...May s/he had a kid in school and didn't like the idea of the kid being propagandized instead of educated. Even more likely.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16829151452002682271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32274751241167982792012-03-09T19:50:04.235-05:002012-03-09T19:50:04.235-05:00CE, you have reached the lowest circle of blog com...CE, you have reached the lowest circle of blog commenters, which I name "crashing bore agendaist snarker."<br /><br />The rest of you should leave him/her alone, and he/she would shut up.<br /><br />Analysis of the "forgery" showed it most closely resembled the style of - wait for it - Joseph Bast. Probably an earlier draft or one of his minions. Secretaries often write these things, and s/he, far from overpaid, may have gotten tired of the nastiness and mailed it out. Likely, I'd think.<br /><br />(susan anderson)susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16829151452002682271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22900433138929327012012-03-05T00:21:44.230-05:002012-03-05T00:21:44.230-05:00Peter Gleick the liar and con artist.
dostrom,
...Peter Gleick the liar and con artist.<br /><br />dostrom,<br /><br /><br />Yawn.<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-6154533770345841732012-03-04T19:03:52.661-05:002012-03-04T19:03:52.661-05:00Call me any name you like it shows you have nothin...<i>Call me any name you like it shows you have nothing constructive to add, no references to any new information or to anything that adds to the topic.</i><br /><br />Reference to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIlKiRPSNGA" rel="nofollow">Gumby.</a>dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688448471618219440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53320695864255626702012-03-04T18:23:44.794-05:002012-03-04T18:23:44.794-05:00"Yeah because we should take the word of an a...<i>"Yeah because we should take the word of an admitted liar and con artist."</i><br /><br />Take away the word 'admitted' and one would be forgiven for puzzling over who you're referring to.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-89234862784481805742012-03-04T16:59:25.634-05:002012-03-04T16:59:25.634-05:00"Not to fraud, and not to faking the policy d..."Not to fraud, and not to faking the policy document. But apparently HI are always factually correct and tell it how it is without exception. Who'd have thought?"<br /><br /><br />Yeah because we should take the word of an admitted liar and con artist.<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40657550077604683582012-03-04T16:38:11.410-05:002012-03-04T16:38:11.410-05:00"As I said before conspiracies are from your ...<i>"As I said before conspiracies are from your side "big oil" "big tobacco" etc."</i><br /><br />That's all documented. There are archives of this stuff. <a href="http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/search/basic;jsessionid=63E990EE54766B5A1CF1490A455646A8.tobacco03?fd=0&q=%22heartland+institute%22" rel="nofollow">For example.</a><br /><br /><i>"Yeah "alleged", with an admission."</i><br /><br />Not to fraud, and not to faking the policy document. But apparently HI are always factually correct and tell it how it is without exception. Who'd have thought?J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56250818304646438382012-03-04T12:45:20.251-05:002012-03-04T12:45:20.251-05:00As I said before conspiracies are from your side &...As I said before conspiracies are from your side "big oil" "big tobacco" etc. You appealed to authority and fawned all over CJR. <br /><br />You chose to agree with what they said and not further explore the topic, because of who they are, that my friend is weak.<br /><br />Call me any name you like it shows you have nothing constructive to add, no references to any new information or to anything that adds to the topic. Nothing of your own to say.<br /><br /><br />I am glad I am a source of fun, because you bore the hell out of me. You are a little minnow at a lake's shore, one of many mindless drones.<br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-863723223672650032012-03-03T21:55:41.598-05:002012-03-03T21:55:41.598-05:00Go along and play now, maybe tomorrow you can get ...<i>Go along and play now, maybe tomorrow you can get some more instructions from some authority as to what to think and say tomorrow.</i><br /><br />Ah, the conspiracy, right. ;-)<br /><br />I -am- playing, right now. You're a figure of fun, Gumby.dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688448471618219440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-91181310133576706732012-03-03T19:43:45.730-05:002012-03-03T19:43:45.730-05:00lol mispelled my own name! Classic quick read..
...lol mispelled my own name! Classic quick read..<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48617180983997072862012-03-03T19:42:02.031-05:002012-03-03T19:42:02.031-05:00Yeah "alleged", with an admission. HI ha...Yeah "alleged", with an admission. HI has validated the documents and even went into great detail about what was "real" (copied&pasted) in the fake memo and what was written by whomever created that fake document.<br /><br />I know I know since they accept money from tobacco companies they are most certainly lying and just want to hurt more children.<br /><br /><br />Still have not seen Mashey report how the Red Cross is not thinking of the children because they are associated with a tobacco company by accepting their money.<br /><br />"In 2011, that was $50K from Altria and $110K from Reynolds. Maybe the latter recalled Joseph Bast's ardent defense of Joe Camel. I hope everyone on HI's side is happy to be aliggned with accomplices to businesses that survive by addicting children."<br /><br />The above would equally aplly to any institution that accepted money from tobacco companies, if you want to be consistent.<br /><br />Let's see Rabetts do not care about the actual texts of the laws, they do not care when the Masheys of the world make stupid outrageous statements, they just want the team to look good. Well, you all are making your side like pretty darn inconsistent and looney.<br /><br />Hmm this site use to be challenging, not so much anymore.<br /><br /><br />Celry EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-45843105088040817882012-03-03T19:19:10.451-05:002012-03-03T19:19:10.451-05:00CE, you mean 'alleged' crimes, surely? HI ...CE, you mean 'alleged' crimes, surely? HI haven't even authenticated the documents yet. They seem to have been a bit busy whipping their useful idiots into a frenzy of spurious allegations.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9691148159227509692012-03-03T18:55:04.659-05:002012-03-03T18:55:04.659-05:00J Bowers,
I got it awhile ago, you seem very lost...J Bowers,<br /><br />I got it awhile ago, you seem very lost and stuck on fraud.<br /><br />You are struggling to make sense, keep trying you might get there.<br /><br />In other posts I cited wire fraud as a potential offense amongst others. Peter has committed many offenses. For example:<br /><br />"Like these; <br /><br />http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=484-502.9<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_18_of_the_United_States_Code<br /><br /><br />Perhaps a review of Peter Gleick's legal liabilty would have gone over the actual laws related to his actions."<br /><br /><br /><br />The funny part of this (irony warning) is Peter Gleick was all upset about anonymous donors to HI and wanted to make that information public. So his plan was to do it it anonymously! lol<br /><br /><br />Yes I want Peter to go to jail and pay for his crimes. Whther thta happens or not remains to be seen.<br /><br /><br /><br />J Bowers please go to the hardware store and buy a nail and a hammer and nail down your feet so you will stop running around in circles making no sense.<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-73114086808380970652012-03-03T18:37:33.361-05:002012-03-03T18:37:33.361-05:00Also, sorry, but you want Gleick to go to jail, an...Also, sorry, but you want Gleick to go to jail, and then in other posts cite wire fraud. Oh, so sorry for putting the two together. I'm sure thousands wouldn't.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80123286225115216232012-03-03T18:35:46.540-05:002012-03-03T18:35:46.540-05:00CE, I said nothing about there not being anything ...CE, I said nothing about there not being anything about fraud in 528.5. <br /><br />528.5 still says nothing about whether Gleick committed fraud. 528.5 is not about fraud, it's about impersonation, be it for a number of purposes including fraud. Get it?J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76959493095148948432012-03-03T16:27:20.068-05:002012-03-03T16:27:20.068-05:00I never restricted to potential charges or that he...I never restricted to potential charges or that he only committed fraud, that is all you.<br /><br />I am not the one moving goal posts. Get up, walk down the hall and enter your bathroom, turn on the light and look directly into the mirror.<br /><br /><br />Trouble understanding this from 528.5?<br /><br />Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person<br />who knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another<br />actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other<br />electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening,<br />or defrauding another person is guilty of a public offense punishable<br />pursuant to subdivision (d).<br /><br /><br />Hmm nothing about fraud. Let me read my first post stating I wanted to see Gleick go to jail.<br /><br />"Peter Gleick should go to jail At the very least I hoipe he is prosecuted, but in political things you never know."<br /><br /><br />Nope no mention of fraud there either.<br /><br />Nice try Bowers, but you came up short.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-31417721088473364192012-03-03T16:18:27.222-05:002012-03-03T16:18:27.222-05:00CE, I still don't see how 528.5 means Gleick c...CE, I still don't see how 528.5 means Gleick committed fraud. Will you at least get your story straight on what it is you'd like to see Gleick go to jail for and stop moving the goalposts? Thanks.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19143925974320998802012-03-03T16:09:01.022-05:002012-03-03T16:09:01.022-05:00dbostrom,
I was reasoning on the rules not compla...dbostrom,<br /><br />I was reasoning on the rules not complaining about some social injustice, that is your job.<br /><br />Go along and play now, maybe tomorrow you can get some more instructions from some authority as to what to think and say tomorrow.<br /><br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-55929273118507261892012-03-03T16:02:23.906-05:002012-03-03T16:02:23.906-05:00. It always seems you have different rules for dif...<i>. It always seems you have different rules for different people. I HAVE to click multiple layers of links others do not is just the latest example.</i><br /><br />Other people MADE you do it. Persecution, so <i>ugly</i>, and so oddly unjustified when the victim is volunteer.<br /><br />Why not write a letter to the editor of CJR, complaining about how their article caused you to be mistreated by all the people who are against you?dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688448471618219440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-32728481949843640652012-03-03T15:38:57.309-05:002012-03-03T15:38:57.309-05:00J Bowers,
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_...J Bowers,<br /><br />http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/43mcrm.htm<br /><br />US Attorney's Prosecution Policy for mail and wire fraud.<br /><br />Depends on the US attorney, at the Federal Level it looks like they would probably pass as it is:<br />"Prosecutions of fraud ordinarily should not be undertaken if the scheme employed consists of some isolated transactions between individuals, involving minor loss to the victims, in which case the parties should be left to settle their differences by civil or criminal litigation in the state courts."<br /><br />Small potatoes. So although the elements of wire fraud are met the Federal will most likely defer to the State in this case.<br /><br />At the state level, my prior link had to do with theft of propoerty in CA. It seems Peter may have more trouble with this code:<br /><br />http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/528.5.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Peter broke the laws at the state and Federal levels. The question remains whether or no he will be prosecuted.<br /><br />See dbostrom this is why I do not appeal to authority and get all "wowed" by "Columbia Journalism Review". It hinders your ability to learn new things, go discover and research.<br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18515262961205947692012-03-03T13:56:25.266-05:002012-03-03T13:56:25.266-05:00"fraud by wire"
* Mail and wire fraud
*..."fraud by wire"<br /><br />* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud" rel="nofollow">Mail and wire fraud</a><br />* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_services_fraud" rel="nofollow">Honest services fraud</a><br /><br />What legal right or property has Heartland Institute been permanently deprived of?J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22466850747045779932012-03-03T12:31:41.078-05:002012-03-03T12:31:41.078-05:00"Except for three examples of case law, with ..."Except for three examples of case law, with links pointing to histories which lead to relevant statutes."<br /><br />Except the actual laws were never mentioned in any of those links and although indirectly related none of the 3 examples are like Gleicks.<br /><br /> The ABC one was close and guess what they were found guilty of "trespass amd committed fraud". Oops. Yes you are insane.<br /><br /><br />"CE's link to a wiki article about the entire US criminal code doesn't strike me as especially specific or relevant."<br /><br />Oh I see Brian I am expected to dig through all the links in an article but you do not have to, lazy much?<br /><br />Here Brian open my link, scroll half way down the page by using the scroll bar on the right, the wheel on your mouse or the down arrow key (more detailed instructions available upon request) and look for this.<br /><br />"ยง1343 applies to fraud by wire, radio, or television."<br /><br /><br />Click on "fraud by wire" by depressing the left mouse button with your right index finger when the mouse pointer is over the phrase. You are using a hyperlink or link.<br /><br />The above Federal Law is what Peter violated when he impersonated an HI board Memeber via email. The difficult part will proving damage to HI however if the individual who was impersonated wants to press charges...<br /><br /><br />Glad I could hold your hands this morning. It always seems you have different rules for different people. I HAVE to click multiple layers of links others do not is just the latest example.<br /><br /><br />I clicked all your links and still did not find any relevant laws or discussion of them as it pertains to THIS case.<br /><br /><br />I can see why you just accept whatever a "scientist" says as fact, you do not posess critical thinking skills OR you purposely choose not to use them.<br /><br />And finally to John Mashey,<br /><br />Yes Al Gore from the 80's and 90's you were around then and I am sure you were pointing out to Mr. Gore how many children whose death he was responsible for.<br /><br />Make it easy and retract your statement of whoever supports HI has children blood on their hands via donations from tobacco companies. Or be consistent and apply that rule to everyone and everything. I am not holding my breath. Consistency is no longer found on RR.<br /><br /><br />Celery EaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12108024831951630332012-03-03T03:22:27.688-05:002012-03-03T03:22:27.688-05:00"You must really hate Al Gore and all that to...<i>"You must really hate Al Gore and all that tobacco money he has had over the years."</i><br /><br />You mean between 1980 and 1990? Didn't he also end up backing warning labels on cartons? The family hasn't grown tobacco since the 1990's, by the way.<br /><br />Oh, how's that HI Smoker's Lounge <i><b>still</b></i> going?J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58173593672127312612012-03-03T02:05:58.587-05:002012-03-03T02:05:58.587-05:00CE's link to a wiki article about the entire U...CE's link to a wiki article about the entire US criminal code doesn't strike me as especially specific or relevant.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-5975989622581657162012-03-03T01:20:03.068-05:002012-03-03T01:20:03.068-05:00...they do not cite nor link a single law.
Except...<i>...they do not cite nor link a single law.</i><br /><br />Except for three examples of case law, with links pointing to histories which lead to relevant statutes. <br /><br />Does it physically hurt when you treat yourself the way you do? Do you get a headache? <br /><br />Obtuse.<br /><br />On the other hand, a popular diagnostic for insanity is failing the same way, over and over again, expecting each new iteration to be different. So maybe I'm insane.dbostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688448471618219440noreply@blogger.com