tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post186684015717270628..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Reducing Geoff Marcy-type behavior in climatologyEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20579504677558960262015-11-04T05:21:43.638-05:002015-11-04T05:21:43.638-05:00Nothing about the need to do something about this ...Nothing about the need to do something about this sort of rape, I note:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDDuQQEnGa4<br /><br />Is that because they're jocks, and who cares what happens to them? Or is it because they're jocks, they're supposed to rape, so "ha ha!" when they get raped? Or is it because it's a woman doing it? Or is it because it's not her but her daughter, so it's rape-by-Munchausen? Or just they're not "one of us" so we don't get to say that they need to clean up their act and change their methods so this sort of thing stops, because that would be accusing another, and that's not nice?Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-20413314101143846592015-10-30T19:31:13.749-04:002015-10-30T19:31:13.749-04:00Figure you'd be up on this. It's not like ...Figure you'd be up on this. It's not like this is a *new* problem in academia.<br /><br />Sold at cost would solve many of these issues. It's not like professors don't get expected to put in free unpaid time on assessing papers et al, so it's not like they'd be doing something damnably unorthodox working in the changes to their subject into a new course book for buck-shee.<br /><br />And it's not like universities can't run a publishing arm too.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-92048676072035305262015-10-30T12:54:29.604-04:002015-10-30T12:54:29.604-04:00BP, you are well behind the times on Rabett Rants<br />BP, you are well behind the times on <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2013/03/good-tidings.html" rel="nofollow">Rabett Rants</a>EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77226461954304242972015-10-30T11:54:39.134-04:002015-10-30T11:54:39.134-04:00of course, there are other problems with professor...of course, there are other problems with professors dictating activities to their students:<br /><br />https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/10/26/dispute-required-math-textbook-escalates-broader-debate-about-costs-and-academicBlogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70401197331205485522015-10-28T08:54:54.406-04:002015-10-28T08:54:54.406-04:00> Apart from that, NOTHING
One thing at a time...> Apart from that, NOTHING<br /><br />One thing at a time, Profile, and the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. The main thing is your strawman, and it's important we are clear about it first. <br /><br />Otherwise it ends in a food fight. Unless that's why you're starting to hurl the H word? <br /><br />***<br /><br />Here would be another way to see that your menz rights drama queening is a strawman. Brian's "clean up act" wish is directed at institutions, i.e. "enough people - women and men - in positions of authority." The harassment issue needs to be addressed by everyone, including menz. Considering that those in positions of authority are mostly men, it should be obvious that Brian does not "segment or assign blame" to everyone.<br /><br />This is also where your children analogy breaks down: those who run institutions have collective responsibilities, while kids don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-12003295534843673392015-10-28T06:58:03.698-04:002015-10-28T06:58:03.698-04:00Oh, brian, don't come back to me with "th...Oh, brian, don't come back to me with "that's just whataboutery". At what point do we get to talk about the injustices faced by the "privileged" who don't have any money, power or privilege, but share a few minor genetic similarities with some who do?<br /><br />It's no better a reason to ignore than the NRA's attempts to shut down gun control talk because "it's too soon" after some tragedy.<br /><br />We are supposed to be talking equality. Justice. Fairness. Segmenting them for application to certain groups means you have broken them all.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18626868873348583592015-10-28T06:54:27.271-04:002015-10-28T06:54:27.271-04:00"Indeed they are, dear Profile."
OK, so..."Indeed they are, dear Profile."<br /><br />OK, so you're a retard. Fair enough.<br /><br />You're so full of hate for anyone not blindly obedient to your "righteous cause" you really don't care what happens to anyone not on your side.<br /><br />So far, all I've had back on why I'm wrong is about "50% of the population", which is not supported by ALL the text ATL, but is supported by more than it is rejected by.<br /><br />Apart from that, NOTHING about what shows I don't know anything, nothing about what I *ought* to know instead.<br /><br />Just blind hate.<br /><br />Against me and anyone who gets death, rape and bomb threats to shut them up and make them scared if they don't happen to be female.<br /><br />Proving that only women should be protected, men should all be killed.<br /><br />This is just as much a fundamentalist religious war as any promulgated by the rabid christian in the USA or the ISIS "warrior", just fought for the personal pride of white knights, but fought with as little consideration for the acts they take in "the holy crusade" as they, because the ends justify the means, no matter if those means would never gain the ends intended.<br /><br />Truly, this jihad is the jihad for the secularists, the ones who find no justification for their heinous acts and thoughts in the fairy tale of a sky fairy, therefore turn to the fairy tale of the innocent damsel in distress.<br /><br />There are fewer differences between men and women than men think, true enough. There are fewer differences between women and men than women hope, though.<br /><br />Oh, and Rustle, get the station nurse to check your colostomy bag. Your post has just filled it with material that should not be there.<br /><br />I will end it on this note:<br /><br />Nowhere has there been more pinpointed avoidance of evidence than in WUWT when you were presented with how we don't blame an entire industry for what one member of it does, even when it is WORSE than what Marcy did (these ARE adults, after all, not children). Or death threats against GG members are "Cheap diversions". But if the victim were to have tits...! NO YOU CANNOT IGNORE THIS TRAVESTY!!! Adults coerced into sex, by a man, TERRIBLE!!! Child coerced into sex by a woman? Ignored. Death threats to Sarkesian, invite to talk to the UN about getting criticism banned because it's harassment. Death threats to a male geek gamer? It's irrelevant.<br /><br />Frankly, you men sicken me more than the feminists trucking in the money with this victim scam.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9866879020836521712015-10-28T03:36:56.941-04:002015-10-28T03:36:56.941-04:00" you're incandescent with rage because I...<i>" you're incandescent with rage because I'm not blaming everyone carte blanche for the crimes of sexual predators. And you don't know how to say how that is wrong without coming across as a sexist bigot without an ounce of empathy.<br /><br />Because that's your problem isn't it?"</i><br /><br />Try attaching more lithium batteries to your shield rim before you chew on it.<br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-53226008639674515472015-10-27T19:25:36.105-04:002015-10-27T19:25:36.105-04:00w/o comment because none is needed
https://the-ca...w/o comment because none is needed<br /><br />https://the-cauldron.com/sxsw-s-astounding-ideals-of-cowardice-871764d3eb45#.fppxt622hEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-33781608727734551732015-10-27T16:35:08.336-04:002015-10-27T16:35:08.336-04:00> Cheap concerns, eh?
Indeed they are, dear P...> Cheap concerns, eh? <br /><br />Indeed they are, dear Profile. First, they're based on a strawman, since it addresses nothing in what Brian. Second, they have nothing to do with the Marcy and Pachauri cases or with harassment in scientific academia. Third, they are mere <i>concerns</i>, which contrast with <i>issues</i>.<br /><br />But yeah, please do continue to issue concerns about how Brian ought to communicate. It warms the heart to see so much empathy at work.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> 'In the Hangout, the women are saying that men in their field are asking what's going on, who are the problem academics, and asking what needs to be done. Maybe astronomy can clean up its act.' 'Pachauri was bad enough. Let's hope it stops.' 'because you are damaging not just these *young women*'<br /><br />These quotes do not substantiate that Brian is "segmenting and assigning blame unearned and unwarranted amongst a whole 50% (nearly) of the population". The first two clearly identify the referent (<i>problem academics</i> and <i>Pachauri</i>) while the third contradicts the claim that Brian is alienating men: we, men, have everything to gain by cleaning up our own mess.<br /><br />No, Profile, expressing concerns about the C word and handwaving to private diaries do not count. Quite the opposite, if you ask me. <br /><br />***<br /><br />> [T]here isn't and never has been a campaign to remove male gendered terms like chairman...<br /><br />Pray tell us how chairmen around the world feel humiliated by that, Profile. That's way more important than to address harassment issues. Use menz rights as a shield if you please.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> Those aren't pills. They're smarties. <br /><br />Search for "red piller" for more on that reference.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> Men: evil bastards. Women: innocent and needing protection. YOUR protection. How do we know it's yours? Because you HATE those monster men. Grrrrr. I will protect you, ladies!<br /><br />Again with the strawman, and already with the whiteknighting trope.<br /><br />I hope you do realize you're not inventing anything here, Profile.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-88308388197365520952015-10-27T14:33:28.389-04:002015-10-27T14:33:28.389-04:00Oh, and never, why not pop along to where Brian as...Oh, and never, why not pop along to where Brian asked me to go and tell them that same quip you think is such a humdinger: "The world conspires to confirm your prejudices, ladies"<br /><br />See how well it works against your "side".Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10877857743048416852015-10-27T14:32:10.523-04:002015-10-27T14:32:10.523-04:00"The same cheap concerns are being made in th..."The same cheap concerns are being made in that context."<br /><br />!<br /><br />Cheap concerns, eh? So can I just claim this entire ATL thread is about a cheap concern?<br /><br />Done.<br /><br />So anything else in the bilge you wrote? Just for giggles...<br /><br /><br />"This concern of yours is simply not implied by anything Brian said."<br /><br />'In the Hangout, the women are saying that men in their field are asking what's going on, who are the problem academics, and asking what needs to be done. Maybe astronomy can clean up its act.'<br /><br />'Pachauri was bad enough. Let's hope it stops. '<br /><br />'because you are damaging not just these *young women*'<br /><br />In the land of the one-quote mine, the three-quote man is king...<br /><br />"Was it before or after they took the red pill?"<br /><br />Ah, so there isn't and never has been a campaign to remove male gendered terms like chairman...<br /><br />Or you're a bloody idiot.<br /><br />It's the latter, isn't it?<br /><br />Those aren't pills. They're smarties. Stop taking the smarties and thinking you're stoned. You're just an idiot.<br /><br /><br />"The world conspires to confirm your prejudices, Profile."<br /><br />The world conspires to confirm yours, too, neverneedanaudit. Men: evil bastards. Women: innocent and needing protection. YOUR protection. How do we know it's yours? Because you HATE those monster men. Grrrrr. I will protect you, ladies! Totally not needing to bonk, either, just your adulation will suffice.<br /><br />Much is complained about the object/subject dichotomy.<br /><br />Funny thing is, the whole "don't tell women what to wear" is insisting they are objects, unable to do anything to protect themselves. They need Authority to do so. So give up all your thinking, and give your power to the Authority, who will totally protect you, because you are not supposed to do anything, just sit there and let you be protected from those would would molest you, you passive object you!Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-71518059335561503242015-10-27T10:37:20.710-04:002015-10-27T10:37:20.710-04:00> this isn't about GG.
The same cheap conc...> this isn't about GG.<br /><br />The same cheap concerns are being made in that context.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> I guess that saves you the bother of giving a reason for someone to change their mind [...]<br /><br />I don't think strawmaning Brian (or is it Eli?) will change anyone's mind.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> I'd start by telling you to look up the word "summation".<br /><br />That would not be enough to warrant the claim that Brian is "segmenting or assigning blame unearned and unwarranted amongst a whole 50%." It's far from a paraphrase of <i>What I hope is that there are enough people - women and men - in positions of authority to act against harassment in climatology.</i> <br /><br />This concern of yours is simply not implied by anything Brian said. Which means Brian's (not Eli's) post triggered your pet stuff.<br /><br />***<br /><br />> Just like some chairmen thought themselves emasculated by being told not to say ChairMAN, but Chairperson.<br /><br />Was it before or after they took the red pill?<br /><br /><br />***<br /><br />> Yet it seems I was unfortunately right in my expectation.<br /><br />The world conspires to confirm your prejudices, Profile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-48284263802666226322015-10-27T10:23:14.978-04:002015-10-27T10:23:14.978-04:00"Gamersgate freedom fighting usually don'..."Gamersgate freedom fighting usually don't deserve a response"<br /><br />Ah, so that is why they get 10 bomb threats to shut down the venue they speak at, then. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/08/15/gamergate-event-evacuated-after-multiple-bomb-threats/<br /><br />Oh, and this isn't about GG.<br /><br />And I guess that saves you the bother of giving a reason for someone to change their mind, just bully them into accepting your word as law.<br /><br />Which is nice.<br /><br /><br />"I'd start with pointing out that your concern that "by segmenting and assigning blame unearned and unwarranted amongst a whole 50% [...]" is a strawman"<br /><br />I'd start by telling you to look up the word "summation".<br /><br />"Then there's this beautiful counterfactual "I suspect that many of these men are the sort of people who, if they were female [...].""<br /><br />I'd then point you to the dictionary definition of "empathy", and the existence of thought experiments.<br /><br />Yet it seems I was unfortunately right in my expectation.<br /><br />A lot of disagreement TO me, and nothing actually to agree with if I were to find myself wrong. Just "YOU MONSTER for saying that!". But nothing showing what the evidence for the shock and outrage is.<br /><br />Even a puppy who has shat on the carpet gets its nose rubbed into the carpet to indicate what, precisely, the problem activity was.<br /><br />But as I said in the beginning, not making any claim, just dismay, is a great way to not to have to justify your outrage, leaving your emotions unexamined and "justified".<br /><br />Here's a little homily, which you should be able to swallow since it panders to your socially ingrained blank assertions:<br /><br />"Consciousness expanding". The whole "ChairPERSON, not ChairMAN" thing, NEVER made sense to me. Oddly, Richard Dawkins clued me in on why it makes a difference. Because you may unconsciously be thinking that a Chairman has to be a MAN and use the term.<br /><br />I had never pictured a person in that role, and when it was pointed to the person in a chairman role, if it was male, I saw male, if it was female, I saw female.<br /><br />BUT IT IS STILL A GOOD THING to check your own preconceptions to see if they are ossifying or unthinking.<br /><br />So I changed my mind about it.<br /><br />I STILL think you shouldn't really CARE if they say chairman. And if the position is being talked about, calling it "the chair" is entirely supported by current usage, and genuinely the only cogent method (the person in the position is irrelevant, they speak for the position, not themselves). But you should stop every now and then and look again at the internal monologue to check your biases.<br /><br />However, your various undirected and inexplicable rages are just such a bias and bigotry. And you won't look. Because you'd feel you would feel ashamed if you thought any different.<br /><br />Just like some chairmen thought themselves emasculated by being told not to say ChairMAN, but Chairperson.<br /><br />And it's just as mentally damaging.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-51563167896286622862015-10-27T09:25:53.675-04:002015-10-27T09:25:53.675-04:00> So you haven't anything [...]
Gamersgate...> So you haven't anything [...]<br /><br />Gamersgate freedom fighting usually don't deserve a response, Profile, but beware your wishes. <br /><br />I'd start with pointing out that your concern that "by segmenting and assigning blame unearned and unwarranted amongst a whole 50% [...]" is a strawman. Then there's this beautiful counterfactual "I suspect that many of these men are the sort of people who, if they were female [...]."<br /><br />A link to these "private diaries" would also be nice.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3465186576074227822015-10-27T05:54:52.691-04:002015-10-27T05:54:52.691-04:00Ah, the insane dribble of the advanced alzheimer s...Ah, the insane dribble of the advanced alzheimer sufferer. How are you, Rustle? And I see you brought a ward compatriot with you!<br /><br />How do you do? Getting on well. Treating you right. Hospital food isn't very good, is it.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69588996312732851552015-10-27T05:53:25.082-04:002015-10-27T05:53:25.082-04:00"Speaking of content-free whinges, yours take..."Speaking of content-free whinges, yours takes the cake in that category"<br /><br />Nope. Sorry, not buying that. Got anything else to sell on the "moonbeams and fiction" category?<br /><br />"In short, you don't know what the hell you're talking about."<br /><br />In short, quoting what I say and then saying "you don't know what the hell you're talking about" indicate you have no idea what you're trying to prove,so are trying blank assertion instead.<br /><br />Why not just admit it: you're incandescent with rage because I'm not blaming everyone carte blanche for the crimes of sexual predators. And you don't know how to say how that is wrong without coming across as a sexist bigot without an ounce of empathy.<br /><br />Because that's your problem isn't it?Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54461066281337373472015-10-27T05:40:37.000-04:002015-10-27T05:40:37.000-04:00If BP is a poet, then its time their large intesti...If BP is a poet, then its time their large intestine made an intervention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22755979997374725902015-10-27T00:55:51.919-04:002015-10-27T00:55:51.919-04:00Fra from being a blowhard , BP is a celebrated vo...Fra from being a blowhard , BP is a celebrated vorgon poetessTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-76831619763765589352015-10-26T21:09:21.748-04:002015-10-26T21:09:21.748-04:00Blogger profile: Try having your own thoughts. You...Blogger profile: <i>Try having your own thoughts. You may get a better quality than Vic has managed.<br /><br />You know, one which actually SAYS something, rather than just a content-free whinge.</i><br /><br />Speaking of content-free whinges, yours takes the cake in that category. Your poor command of grammar and syntax makes it difficult to parse out what you're trying to say. For example:<br /><br /><i>"And if we don't allow that both sides may be right, but the perception of one is worthy of accommodation, that accommodation of that situation IS NOT blaming the other for it, then we scare off people from being in that situation and you lose out on talent applying for the job."</i><br /><br />In short, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.<br /><br />What's your assessment? Have I actually SAID something here?Chris_Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14664395947020918727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34801855901346059632015-10-26T20:20:59.932-04:002015-10-26T20:20:59.932-04:00So you haven't anything, Brian.
"It'...So you haven't anything, Brian.<br /><br />"It's pretty depressing to hear them say they expect to receive rape threats as a result of of them discussing harassment."<br /><br />Nothing, really, to do with my comment, is it.<br /><br />I mean, yes it is depressing that they expect it.<br /><br />It's worse when their expectations are fulfilled.<br /><br />But it really doesn't have anything to do with my post.<br /><br />So you don't want to say, can't say, or really don't understand my post. The latter is somewhat indicated by your description of it as "arguing with the me or the other men".<br /><br />90% or more wasn't anything even approaching an arguing sort of argument.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-17029622183266740162015-10-26T20:10:21.553-04:002015-10-26T20:10:21.553-04:00I'm probably wasting time here, but BP, instea...I'm probably wasting time here, but BP, instead of arguing with me or any of the other men on this comment thread, I think it would be much better if you listened to what women in the field had to say about this. If nothing else, then listen to the women at the hangout I linked to. It's pretty depressing to hear them say they expect to receive rape threats as a result of of them discussing harassment.<br /><br />I suggest doing that is more important than any deep thoughts you or I may have on this issue.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47811228278108565372015-10-26T19:53:30.367-04:002015-10-26T19:53:30.367-04:00Brian/Eli, (and vic and af), do you have any actua...Brian/Eli, (and vic and af), do you have any actual complaint?<br /><br />If so, elucidate.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23112121146046980202015-10-26T19:52:25.952-04:002015-10-26T19:52:25.952-04:00"Douglas Adams had a good take on this sort o..."Douglas Adams had a good take on this sort of thing: for too many people, this phenomenon is surrounded by a field of 'someone else's problem'."<br /><br />Well, there's also the possibility that you investigate, find nothing, and then someone else complains and you get implicated in it as a partisan helper.<br /><br />SEP happens with violence on the street too. And muggings. Everyone assumes someone else will call the police, and walk on. And nobody calls the police.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-54471252216111685122015-10-26T19:50:11.567-04:002015-10-26T19:50:11.567-04:00" Seconding Victor."
Try having your..." Seconding Victor."<br /><br />Try having your own thoughts. You may get a better quality than Vic has managed.<br /><br />You know, one which actually SAYS something, rather than just a content-free whinge.Blogger profilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960226353157929688noreply@blogger.com