tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post1633916007310991038..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: Like Lambs to the SlaughterEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58532918085224423102014-09-23T00:28:58.970-04:002014-09-23T00:28:58.970-04:00> this bunch of Jason wanna bees
Dr. Koonin i...> this bunch of Jason wanna bees <br /><br />Dr. Koonin is a member and past chair of the JASON Study Group<br /><br />http://energy.gov/contributors/steven-e-kooninHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-86018633541371365042014-09-20T06:28:50.815-04:002014-09-20T06:28:50.815-04:00I'm pretty sure we can safely add Steven E. Ko...I'm pretty sure we can safely add Steven E. Koonin's name to the Dunning Kruger list now Russell, without adding our own. I'll put it right after yours. I guess we'll have to throw out all those complex nuclei models and the experimental data on complex nuclei as well, because, well, we just can't be sure about that stuff anymore.<br /><br />Expect bigger personal scientific meltdown than this as the future of life on planet Earth progresses, or devolves, take you pick.Thomas Lee Elifritzhttp://cosmic.lifeform.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7850503218628719862014-03-21T11:09:35.659-04:002014-03-21T11:09:35.659-04:00The inclusion of so-called “refugee from the nucle...The inclusion of so-called “refugee from the nuclear complex” is not as opaque or without reason as you suggest it to be. Their experience with hydrocodes and the practical problem with modeling complex phenomena, using empirical data as feedback would be quite useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-3878057504727162162014-03-04T09:21:37.204-05:002014-03-04T09:21:37.204-05:00Anon-101a here:
DR. LINDZEN: They all relate to p...Anon-101a here:<br /><br />DR. LINDZEN: They all relate to particle processes influencing cloud condensation. <br /><br />But we've had plenty of clouds before! Can they PROVE that clouds form from "solar particle processes" as they claim? Because I've read that dust and salt crystals are used to seed cloud formation, therefore THIS CANNOT BE TRUE!<br /><br />Just use deniermoronity against them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77958350826531920162014-02-28T13:37:23.913-05:002014-02-28T13:37:23.913-05:00Lindzen, Christy and Rosner pull Curry back from t...Lindzen, Christy and Rosner pull Curry back from the brink of the unknowns:<br /><br /><br />------excerpt----<br /><br />Pp 159-60<br /><br />DR. BEASLEY: Judy, you talked about solar influences.... for example, the magnetic field, I can't resist picking that one. Do you have a physics notion of what --<br />DR. CURRY: Okay, this is known/unknown. Some people with publishing papers speculating.<br />DR. ROSNER: This is based on they are certain that there is an effect or they have a physical process in mind that actually would do something?<br />DR. CHRISTY: There is the cosmic --<br />DR. CURRY: Well, that is one example. I can't recite all the arguments off the top of my head. But people are publishing papers that present some intriguing possibilities. These are obviously not in the mainstream. But we have only really started looking at these kind of topics. If you are interested, I can send you a list of papers I have been recently. But this is known/unknown category. <br />DR. LINDZEN: They all relate to particle processes influencing cloud condensation. <br />DR. ROSNER: Right.<br /><br />-------end excerpt-----<br /><br /><br />What about the iron sun's vibrating magnetic field irritating the leprechauns and fairies? We know cold iron bothers them. How about hot iron? <br />/snark<br /><br />Seriously, one wonders about that list of papers.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-21821065227209184582014-02-25T04:58:57.881-05:002014-02-25T04:58:57.881-05:00Sad state of Affairs at the PS.
"No climate ...Sad state of Affairs at the PS.<br /><br />"No climate relevant stuff there unless you are interested in nuclear autumn. "<br />Luckily the bunny has been pointing at least one ear at Stephen Scheider when he was still talking. <br /><br />--cynicusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38674779099688226402014-02-23T01:39:03.142-05:002014-02-23T01:39:03.142-05:00Steyn's countersuit notwithstanding ,I suspect...Steyn's countersuit notwithstanding ,I suspect his travels will not be taking him to India anytime soon, --its criminalization of defamation and low cost lawyering has made it something of a libel tourism magnet.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58025268011319538762014-02-22T20:23:37.384-05:002014-02-22T20:23:37.384-05:00Not quite, it is Steyn's Answer and Countercla...Not quite, it is Steyn's <a href="http://www.steynonline.com/documents/6109.pdf" rel="nofollow">Answer and Counterclaim</a>. Bunnies, Eli suggests significant investments in popcorn futures.<br /><br />FWIW Steyn is a Canadian who left an English public school, started as a music/theatre reviewer and acquired a bit of <a href="https://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con/" rel="nofollow">grifter patter</a> along the way. His opus is about what you could expect.<br /><br />This is being discussed at Lucia's by the usual suspects with Eli on occasion tossing a log on the fire. Lots of back slapping going on.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-44382151902250799392014-02-22T18:38:25.149-05:002014-02-22T18:38:25.149-05:00O/T, but apparently Mark Steyn has filed a counter...O/T, but apparently Mark Steyn has filed a countersuit against Michael Mann. The right-wing blogosphere is echoing with cheers, but as far as I can tell from not actually reading it, it's just a rant. <br /><br />My favorite search engine turned up no actual rational evaluations of the countersuit -- does anyone know of any? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39276014940081090102014-02-22T17:41:14.230-05:002014-02-22T17:41:14.230-05:00referring back:
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/1...referring back:<br /><br />http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/arrogance-of-physicists-arthur-smith.html<br /><br />BGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62223626686330514752014-02-22T17:21:08.646-05:002014-02-22T17:21:08.646-05:00Arthur,
I will take it a step further. My APS me...Arthur,<br /><br />I will take it a step further. My APS membership renews on 01 March.<br /><br />I will probably hold off re-upping until I see what impact this has on the APS statement.<br /><br />BGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4506263546920639152014-02-22T17:05:32.271-05:002014-02-22T17:05:32.271-05:00I urge any APS members concerned by this to write ...I urge any APS members concerned by this to write to the new APS president, Mac Beasley, or to named staff members - they need to know of your concerns. Look up contact info on APS.org.Arthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06249922708053689717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67774871994124667482014-02-22T13:08:30.357-05:002014-02-22T13:08:30.357-05:00> Santer and Collins are
> basically giving...> Santer and Collins are <br />> basically giving lessons<br />> in climate science to the<br />> committee.<br /><br />It's like reading the transcript of scientists answering a committee of politicians. <br /><br />Maybe that's what it is.<br /><br />I found it terrifying to see what Santer and Collins (and Held, too) had to explain to members of this committee -- basics that even I have a clue about, just from having been an amateur reader with very little physics.<br /><br />And they weren't just explaining, they were correcting misunderstandings in those basics.<br /><br />I expect that kind of obligatory obliviouisness from committees of politicians -- they don't understand, and they won't understand, as a matter of political principle.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27481435258160778282014-02-22T06:22:29.403-05:002014-02-22T06:22:29.403-05:00If Courtney is an inorganic chemist, then I certai...If Courtney is an inorganic chemist, then I certainly am, what with an MSc in materials science stuff and a real life working in laboratories. But because I wasn't an expert on the maths and all the other things, but had at least been exposed to stuff like analysis by IR when doing my chemistry degree, all the climate change stuff fell into place pretty quickly. <br />Thus stupidity is fairly evenly distributed I think, across scientific areas.<br /><br />I had a look in the transcript, and found that, e.g. pages in 50's, 80's and so on, Santer and Collins are basically giving lessons in climate science to the committee. Do you think there's enough time to properly educate them, or should some preparatory reading have been prescribed?<br />Also it seems pretty stupid to have to go through the basics again, when they were either nailed down 40 years ago or were nailed down 5 years ago but the committee members haven't heard about them because its not their area of expertise. <br />It looks at the moment like they're going to try and rubbish the models, and of course the 'hiatus' that isn't has also come up. <br /><br />guthrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-77243911781031182112014-02-21T22:31:21.492-05:002014-02-21T22:31:21.492-05:00I am now out of the "Forbidden" zone--bu...I am now out of the "Forbidden" zone--but maybe that's not a good thing. Anyway, the most revealing part of this whole exercise is the unscripted exchanges at the end. Especially rich was Rosner's comment about "cost shouldn't matter" in regard to experiments and data collection---easy for someone who was the proverbial big wheel at Argonne with its flow of big federal dollars.Pinotgraveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123660758178090092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68916957693116182732014-02-21T21:56:34.384-05:002014-02-21T21:56:34.384-05:00Firefox appears to work.Firefox appears to work.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69342631612892656712014-02-21T20:53:07.579-05:002014-02-21T20:53:07.579-05:00My bias, education and experience are all showing ...My bias, education and experience are all showing if I say this -- but, no one with experience in public relations and policy communication? Politics of science?<br /><br />Who appointed the panel. No, I mean really.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66520588606613649532014-02-21T19:33:04.191-05:002014-02-21T19:33:04.191-05:00Am I the only reader who can't open anyone'...Am I the only reader who can't open anyone's link to the transcript or the framing questions except with IE? No go with Chrome or Safari...Pinotgraveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123660758178090092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-14310973259902672472014-02-21T16:34:16.480-05:002014-02-21T16:34:16.480-05:00Physicists tend to weigh models against dimensiona...Physicists tend to weigh models against dimensional analysis, parameter by parameter, which is a fairly sane approach to understanding where the outliers come from, and how easy or hard it is to get to them. <br /><br />OTOH, though one tries to act on the Goudsmit principle : physicists do not shoot other physicists, one can do little when they aim at their own feet.THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-42787544580278617462014-02-21T15:53:17.815-05:002014-02-21T15:53:17.815-05:00Adaptation only. Mother of Mercy, is this the end ...Adaptation only. Mother of Mercy, is this the end of Rico?<br /><br />How do we "adapt" to nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the militant Islamist faction of Pakistan?<br /><br />I (regularly, boringly) mention that possibility because Pakistan's agricultural production regularly (4 times in the last 5 years) gets cold-cocked by extreme weather and the country might be ripe for civil unrest. <br /><br />There are other responses to climate change than merely physical processes. They should know that because they're physicists, and they're smart.<br /><br />Yes, I suppose it is a hobby-horse idea, but it's mine, and someone has to worry about it. Might as well be me.<br />Jeffrey Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966839006518642902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-34182227487447392862014-02-21T15:46:51.881-05:002014-02-21T15:46:51.881-05:00http://news.sciencemag.org/2011/11/steven-koonin-s...http://news.sciencemag.org/2011/11/steven-koonin-step-down-doe-science-honcho<br />----quote---<br />... APS spearheaded a drive to create a third undersecretary ... 1 month after Koonin came aboard in May 2009 ... "Here was a guy who had no budget authority, and that's a tough position," Lubell says...<br />... Koonin, a theoretical physicist by training and former chief scientist at British Petroleum, is leaving next week for the Institute for Defense Analyses' Science and Technology Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. <br />----end quote----Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84459176118107165312014-02-21T15:36:04.610-05:002014-02-21T15:36:04.610-05:00Well yeah, inorganic chemists like Jack Barrett an...Well yeah, inorganic chemists like Jack Barrett and Richard Courtney were Eli's intro to congenital stupidity (ask the Weasel)<br /><br />OTOH Russell, Koonin leading a self immolation committee into the wolf's den does not exactly encourage Eli's faith in his having any subway fare.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-87198766114184771782014-02-21T15:33:06.076-05:002014-02-21T15:33:06.076-05:00Fun reading.
Christy and Lindzen, not surprisingl...Fun reading.<br /><br />Christy and Lindzen, not surprisingly, outed themselves as adaptation-only advocates. Koonin too.<br /><br />Christy's other contribution seems to be saying 'I don't know' as often as possible, perhaps with the aim of confusing that with 'no one knows'. <br /><br />I think thi whole thing has partially comeabout on the back of some activitism wihtin a small group in APS - GPC. The GPC was formed in reaction to the last APS climate statement, made up of a small bunch who got their knickers in a twist over the 2007 statement. From what I could see of the GPC Executive, a necessary qualification is that you should not have published or worked in any area of actual climate research. Some of the most vocal nutters where part this, eg Roger Cohen- the ex-Mobil Exec - who being a nut even eeventuallyhad a messy split from the GPC who weren't being nutty enough for him. Of note - it was Cohen who recruited Judith Curry into the APS and GPC.<br /><br />What isn't clear to me, is the link between the GPC and whoever on the APS board put together this sad case of false balance. Though it seems to me there must be a fairly strong one. <br /><br />Kudos to Santer, Collins and Held for staying sane.<br /><br />Anonymous Etc Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-31998018022906912972014-02-21T15:19:38.285-05:002014-02-21T15:19:38.285-05:00Anyone proposing to add Koonin's name to a Du...Anyone proposing to add Koonin's name to a Dunning - Kruger List should write down their own name first.<br /><br />He was Steve Chu's Undersecretary of Energy <br /><br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-341415644074503192014-02-21T15:08:47.214-05:002014-02-21T15:08:47.214-05:00Yeah Eli, it is a shame they chose all those "...Yeah Eli, it is a shame they chose all those "astrophyscists". Heck they could have stuffed it with inorganic chemists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com