tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post1392743454710027947..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: GavingateEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-52096121310507424532013-08-06T19:15:50.229-04:002013-08-06T19:15:50.229-04:00Just in case anyone is interested. Found this whe...Just in case anyone is interested. Found this when I was searching for news on Oliver Manuel arrest. Could not find much of anything except broken link. At first I thought it was one of those planted stories. Anyway, here is story of all charges being dropped except for one attempted sodomy. Still haven't found anything on the actual trial. Sad story. http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2008/feb/20080204News013.aspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-70649121173745028022011-02-11T02:08:43.255-05:002011-02-11T02:08:43.255-05:00"The map region is correct - lower Mississipp..."The map region is correct - lower Mississippi delta - but the relevance is that it shows the amount of wetland loss since the 1930s. Something like an area the size of Rhode Island has disappeared because of reduced sediment flow from the mississippi, subsidence, channel building, oil gas exploration, increased erosion and rising sea level. All of which was a big contributor to the damage related to Katrina. It's a stunning map."<br /><br />Thanks, Gavin. I was wondering about the map behind your head. It looked like the Mississippi Delta. And it has been totally destroyed, mostly by damming and locking on the Miss. and Missouri since 1900, just like the Nile Delta due to construction of the Aswan High Dam.Douglas Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686351092076044875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18951039759864660572011-02-09T18:33:26.772-05:002011-02-09T18:33:26.772-05:00"Oh dear.
A fragment of "Birth of Venus&..."Oh dear.<br />A fragment of "Birth of Venus"? What would that be code talk for?<br />And why only a fragment? What is being hidden?? Data corruption indeed!"<br /><br />I think this has the makings for a Dan Brown novel involving a secret cabal of climate scientists with Steven McIntyre and/or Anthony Watts deciphering their hidden symbols to save the world.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763511375953757332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-75659384918422011062011-02-09T17:49:56.305-05:002011-02-09T17:49:56.305-05:00the paraphrase "the science is settled" ...the paraphrase "the science is settled" does not to mke sound very different from Dr S's lack of willingness to discuss the science on the grounds that there was nothing to discuss. It reminds me of the "historian" David Irving and his claim that Hitler was unaware of the Final Solution because he had never foundin any of the archivbes in germany and the occupied territories that he was able to search a piece of paper with Hitler's signature on it referrring to the "Final Solution".diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59341591658171340802011-02-08T06:59:38.247-05:002011-02-08T06:59:38.247-05:00http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/04/education-versus...http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/04/education-versus-indoctrination/#comment-18468J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-15262212317378599932011-02-08T00:16:53.349-05:002011-02-08T00:16:53.349-05:00http://synd.imgsrv.uclick.com/comics/nq/2011/nq110...http://synd.imgsrv.uclick.com/comics/nq/2011/nq110207.gifHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58564122377038000742011-02-07T21:09:55.877-05:002011-02-07T21:09:55.877-05:00Re. Willard 7/2/11 4:23 PM
LMAO @ paragraph 5.Re. Willard 7/2/11 4:23 PM <br /><br />LMAO @ paragraph 5.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16145015601945591142011-02-07T19:39:54.357-05:002011-02-07T19:39:54.357-05:00Sorry, my first comment was meant for JCH.Sorry, my first comment was meant for JCH.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-56377656075110890072011-02-07T19:27:27.456-05:002011-02-07T19:27:27.456-05:00Of note:
> Judith, As someone present at the L...Of note:<br /><br />> Judith, As someone present at the Lisbon meeting the claim that Gavin Schmidt was not attending on the grounds that the “Science was settled” was already circulating on the first day of the conference. One of the other attendees asserted the “science is settled” statement to me as fact. I questioned this, since it seemed completely out of keeping with what the articles of Gavin that I have read. My interlocuteur then found another attendee to back up this claim. It is clear to me that rumours about Gavin’s email were being disseminated from the beginning of the conference if not earlier. The fact that my fellow attendees were so eager to believe the rumours rather undermined my hopes for the meeting at a very early stage. (Chatham House Rules prevent me from identifying the two attendees in question on this blog).<br /><br />Best wishes, Bill Hartree<br /><br />Source: http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/04/lisbon-workshop-on-reconciliation-part-iv/#comment-39499willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-79164717601097233692011-02-07T19:23:19.868-05:002011-02-07T19:23:19.868-05:00Neven,
For what it's worth, I have been impl...Neven, <br /><br />For what it's worth, I have been implicated in at least three deletions by Judith. <br /><br />A first was when Richard S. Courtney went overboard against me. She deleted both Divine and mine, which was alright, since it made Divine looks not really good.<br /><br />A second was when Oliver K. Manuel ran the full libertarian gamut. She deleted only Oliver K.'s and kept my comment dangling. That is a shame, since Oliver K. was really violating all the principles of intellectual integrity there. It was a thing of juvenile beauty, as is Manuel's wont.<br /><br />A third one was today, but I am not sure who between RobB or Rob Starkey. I do not know exactly why she deleted either one, presumably to end what could be seen as a food fight. That left me with some unfinished business.<br /><br />In two cases, one could surmise that these deletions were there to protect me from childish abuse. Interestingly, the third case was Oliver K. Manuel's.<br /><br />When Judith removes a comment, the related comment hierarchy breaks down. When a comment thread gets flattened (as it should be, anyway), chances are that a comment got deleted.<br /><br />I do not mind moderation much. I keep a copy of my comments. I believe it's important to enforce some decorum.<br /><br />In any case, tacit discipline between commenters can replace moderation quite effectively, as at Jeff Id's place. <br /><br />Think **Eyes Wide Shut**.<br /><br />PS: Ouncepoo is the capcha.willardhttp://neverendingaudit.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-57345678125988278592011-02-07T13:27:02.076-05:002011-02-07T13:27:02.076-05:00So, has anyone suggested that Her Majesty's Co...So, has anyone suggested that Her Majesty's Constabu-bunnies have a word with this email-flashing tallberk? After all, the trail for the original hack can't be completely dead... ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-59584158716542792792011-02-07T12:55:02.541-05:002011-02-07T12:55:02.541-05:00So this is how NewScientist decides to address an ...So this is how NewScientist decides to address an egregious error and defaming of a well-respected and prominent NASA scientist:<br /><br />"But the leaders of mainstream climate science turned down the gig, including NASA's Gavin Schmidt. [begin strikeout]who said the science was settled so there was nothing to discuss[end strikeout]. <b>[Gavin Schmidt has asked us to clarify his reasons for not attending: see the bottom of this post.]"</b><br /><br /><br />ML<br /><b>That is not a correction, nor a retraction, nor an apology.</b> They are still biasing the reader, because one can read the text below the strikethrough. Although one could argue that to reasonable readers who read Gavin's email, NewScientist and Fred Pearce are once again demonstrating their bias.<br /><br />IMHO, this “correction” does not go far enough, and I’m sure that it won’t satisfy Dr. Schmidt. Then again, at this point he may not care anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-84371646217497992322011-02-07T12:20:50.802-05:002011-02-07T12:20:50.802-05:00Meanwhile, back to the Lisbon/pearce thing:
DC has...Meanwhile, back to the Lisbon/pearce thing:<br /><a href="http://deepclimate.org/2011/02/07/post-normal-meltdown-in-lisbon-part-1/" rel="nofollow">DC</a> has found some good info on the backstory.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-58781945122751047752011-02-07T02:28:38.299-05:002011-02-07T02:28:38.299-05:00As for the map, I recommend this ATCHAFALAYA artic...As for the map, I recommend this <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1987/02/23/1987_02_23_039_TNY_CARDS_000347146" rel="nofollow">ATCHAFALAYA article</a> by John McPhee, 1/2 of his fine book "Control of Nature."<br /><br />New Orleans:<br />1) The Mississippi floods on occasion.<br />2) The Mississippi really, really wants to jump to the Atchafalaya channel.<br />3) The land is sinking.<br />4) Sea level is rising.<br />5) Hurricanes come on occasion.<br /><br />It is sad, but it may be just as well that New Orleans' population has been shrinking.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18117853706668141552011-02-07T01:14:04.383-05:002011-02-07T01:14:04.383-05:00But it looks good to have 2 people from CSIRO and ...But it looks good to have 2 people from CSIRO and one from Leeds University.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-29614367470553221142011-02-07T00:35:18.312-05:002011-02-07T00:35:18.312-05:00And more - according to Nick Stokes his attendance...And more - according to Nick Stokes his attendance was independent of the CSIRO. He said on his blog: <i>"I don't think James Risbey was involved as a CSIRO representative. I made it clear to the organisers that I wasn't (my status with CSIRO is now emeritus anyway). I think the attribution of affiliation on the doc I posted was just background info for other participants. Incidentally, we didn't know who else was invited until just a few days before the meeting.</i><br /><br />http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2011/01/lisbon-meeting.html?showComment=1297038005117#c3526174492830871464<br /><br />So that clear that up! (Hope Nick doesn't mind my quoting him on that, but having raised the issue I think it important to round it off.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-69658719496354949842011-02-07T00:17:43.540-05:002011-02-07T00:17:43.540-05:00Thanks, Eli. That's what I thought.
Puttin...Thanks, Eli. That's what I thought. <br /><br />Putting names against employers seems a bit unusual when people are there in a private capacity (at least I hope the CSIRO did not fund anyone to go to the event. Might just ask them about that.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-83833539047017099412011-02-06T23:48:23.663-05:002011-02-06T23:48:23.663-05:00The map region is correct - lower Mississippi delt...The map region is correct - lower Mississippi delta - but the relevance is that it shows the amount of wetland loss since the 1930s. Something like an area the size of Rhode Island has disappeared because of reduced sediment flow from the mississippi, subsidence, channel building, oil gas exploration, increased erosion and rising sea level. All of which was a big contributor to the damage related to Katrina. It's a stunning map.Gavinhttp://www.realclimate.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47916925048493357782011-02-06T22:39:32.907-05:002011-02-06T22:39:32.907-05:00FWIW nick is a talented amateur and a pleasure to ...FWIW nick is a talented amateur and a pleasure to followEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62886762672739003572011-02-06T21:13:06.213-05:002011-02-06T21:13:06.213-05:00@ Martin, Thanks for the info. I've since loo...@ Martin, Thanks for the info. I've since looked at the list. (Is Nick Stokes a climate scientist?).<br /><br />I've also deduced from a post on Curry's forum (via JM on DeepClimate) that because the prominent invitees refused, Tallbloke hooked up with a group to try to think up other 'prominent' people they could invite.<br /><br />Tallbloke wrote: <i>"Because I was an ad hoc member of the invite committee I got an email asking my advice on who to invite <b>in lieu of Gavin Schmidt and some other prominent people who had declined</b>."</i><br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/04/lisbon-workshop-on-reconciliation-part-iv/#comment-37569<br /><br />(JC's innuendo-packed post can be read on this page, as well as lots of other comments - for those who have the stomach for it.)<br /><br />It looks as if the prominent people who were invited, very sensibly did not bother to attend.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-23813424413267792952011-02-06T20:07:16.757-05:002011-02-06T20:07:16.757-05:00Privacy rules are different in the EU than in the ...Privacy rules are different in the EU than in the US, usually stricter.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-39157943472684468932011-02-06T19:06:00.009-05:002011-02-06T19:06:00.009-05:00Hank:
"And no, it's not illegal. You'...Hank:<br /><br />"And no, it's not illegal. You're only protected _while_ they're able to extract money from you without selling your info. After that, you gave them a gift."<br /><br />I never claimed that businesses necessarily follow commonly accepted standards of privacy regarding personal e-mail, and know it's not a legal constraint.<br /><br />But among honorable people, you simply don't pass around private e-mail the way Tallbloke did.<br /><br />Even Tom Fuller made that claim just moments before he began writing his "climategate" book with Mosher ...dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62974410734524180762011-02-06T18:24:10.931-05:002011-02-06T18:24:10.931-05:00I agree completely Pete.
Anyone filed a complaint...I agree completely Pete.<br /><br />Anyone filed a complaint against NewScientist other than Gavin?<br /><br />MLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-10617490968768695462011-02-06T18:07:13.461-05:002011-02-06T18:07:13.461-05:00Forget the deniers. New Scientist needs some serio...Forget the deniers. <b>New Scientist</b> needs some serious consciousness raising. Where do they get the idea that it is acceptable to print a very unlikely quote (or non-quote in a sense) from a known unreliable source (Fred Pearce)? Why didn't they pick up the phone and check with the designated victim? Their website still has the false claim. What action can be taken? <br /><br />Pete DunkelbergAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-27755199502125428332011-02-06T15:30:53.541-05:002011-02-06T15:30:53.541-05:00"No, rather it seems the rabid denialists and...<i>"No, rather it seems the rabid denialists and contrarians and "skeptics" are turning on each other. Delightful."<br /></i><br /><br />I have this dream that one day there will be a major defection. This denialist debacle is just the sort of thing that might produce an epiphany.<br /><br />-Adam R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com