tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post1129665074307760598..comments2024-03-19T03:14:04.172-04:00Comments on Rabett Run: All this has happened beforeEliRabetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comBlogger146125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-65233918676287007622014-09-22T22:42:59.625-04:002014-09-22T22:42:59.625-04:00They’re just literally lying’: Google’s Eric Schmi...They’re just literally lying’: Google’s Eric Schmidt on cutting ties with conservative group<br />Posted on Monday, September 22 at 6:02pm | By Joe Garofoli<br /><br />Google’s Eric Schmidt dropped a wonky bombshell Monday when he said the internet company was looking at ending its support of ALEC, the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council.<br /><br />ALEC is the bane of liberal organizations like Roots Action, which has pressured corporations for years to disassociate with the group because it writes policy for “state legislatures around the country to roll back labor rights, environmental protection, civil rights, public health measures and more.”<br /><br />Schmidt made the statement Monday while appearing on Diane Rehm’s show.<br /><br />“Everyone understands climate change is occurring and the people who oppose it are really hurting our children and our grandchildren and making the world a much worse place,” Schmidt told Rehm. “And so we should not be aligned with such people — they’re just, they’re just literally lying.”<br /><br />EricSchmidt008<br /><br />Google has been feeling the heat on this issue for a while.<br /><br />We recently told you about how the enviro group Forecast the Facts Action was calling out corporations — including Google — for talking a good game on climate change, but then contributing $641 million to a list of 160 “climate deniers” in Congress. Specially, it called out Schmidt for talking the right stuff on climate, while his fellow Googlers and those who love them were contributing $699,195 to members of the “climate denier caucus” in Washington.<br /><br />Google hasn’t officially cut ties with ALEC. But Schmidt said there was a “consensus within the company was that (the investment in ALEC) was some sort of mistake and so we’re trying to not do that in the future.”<br />Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-9573377742374609262014-09-22T22:41:12.137-04:002014-09-22T22:41:12.137-04:00http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2014/09/22/theyre...http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2014/09/22/theyre-just-literally-lying-googles-eric-schmidt-on-cutting-ties-with-conservative-group/Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-25631443989037659372014-08-29T11:41:54.505-04:002014-08-29T11:41:54.505-04:00SciShow is run by the vlog brothers, and they are ...SciShow is run by the vlog brothers, and they are not my friends. It's a useful scientific resource and quite accurate. The fact that you dislike it says more about your closed mind than about the resource.<br /><br />For fun and games, for example, they get subatomic particles just right, per PW who was amused by it. (OT alert)<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kXkWXSXRALINK" rel="nofollow"> Quark Song</a><br /><br />Speaking of wrongheadedness, any activists might like to unpack Revkin's latest wrongheaded response here (he enables Pielke Jr. and Breakthrough, alone with other pro-third-world-fossilists I hadn't previously heard of:<br /><a href="dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/accounting-for-the-expanding-carbon-shadow-from-coal-burning-plants/" rel="nofollow"> Accounting for the Expanding Carbon Shadow from Coal-Burning Plants</a>Susan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16142414178924919132014-08-29T06:14:42.403-04:002014-08-29T06:14:42.403-04:00Bbd, strictly speaking you are right. However I te...Bbd, strictly speaking you are right. However I tend to see the Paleocene Eocene thermal maximum as a short lived spike within a broader Eocene hothouse. The Azolla is said to have removed a lot of carbon from the atmosphere, and thus to have precluded a return to the really hot Eocene. <br /><br />I sure wish I had time and access to the data, because I don't think the puzzle regarding what happened has been put together. <br /><br />For example, don't you find it a bit of a strange coincidence that the Lomonosov ridge split took place just before or as this event was taking place? <br /><br />The Lomonosov. Is very rich in Devonian, Carboniferous and Permian carbonates (that's my inference from the cores taken in the Barents and the Timan Pechora basin). This tells me the rifting must have driven magma through a carbonate, coal, and rich organic shale section. A good recipe to generate methane and co2. <br /><br />But returning to Susan's friend's video, I thought it was a bit Mickey Mouse because he started hinting the KT boundary extinction was driven by climate change and the Paleocene Eocene boundary was ignored. <br /><br />I guess we got too many people making videos. When I made mine and loaded in you tube I made sure everybody realized it was all tongue in cheek. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66646979079915163542014-08-28T18:51:17.219-04:002014-08-28T18:51:17.219-04:00Fernando
Yes, it was me. You said at Fergus' ...Fernando<br /><br />Yes, it was me. You said at Fergus' blog that the Azolla event terminated the PETM.<br /><br />The PETM was a transient hyperthermal at ~55.5Ma that lasted ~100 - 200ka. The Azolla event was ~49Ma (IIRC) and lasted ~1Ma. <br /><br />The big picture of Cenozoic climate change might more plausibly be ascribed to tectonic forcing and CO2 drawdown by weathering and uplift.BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-78619790160477892252014-08-28T17:59:29.629-04:002014-08-28T17:59:29.629-04:00And he was right. You may have just found an outli...And he was right. You may have just found an outlier estimate.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-18228260824280555872014-08-28T17:58:17.407-04:002014-08-28T17:58:17.407-04:00It was BBD.It was BBD.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-38865510580426002652014-08-28T17:07:09.184-04:002014-08-28T17:07:09.184-04:00Somebody wrote I was wrong about the Azolla event....Somebody wrote I was wrong about the Azolla event. I can't remember whom....if you raise your hand and care to discuss it....Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-7848873824937184732014-08-28T09:19:39.242-04:002014-08-28T09:19:39.242-04:00"The rate of forcing increase has been nearly..."<i>The rate of forcing increase has been nearly constant for the last twenty years</i>"<br /><br />So?<br /><br />The rate of increase could be zero and the planet would still be in serious trouble. Bernard J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13691941331852725502014-08-28T08:38:14.857-04:002014-08-28T08:38:14.857-04:00Hank,
Been trying that, and look where it got me. ...Hank,<br />Been trying that, and look where it got me. In my latest comment I acknowledge that it has by and large been a waste of time trying to understand the causes...The Old Man is backhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06299949591915788184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4519194788470560512014-08-28T00:40:12.274-04:002014-08-28T00:40:12.274-04:00Hank - no, I wasn't being sarcastic. ALEC has...Hank - no, I wasn't being sarcastic. ALEC has an effective model for getting legislation passed, and we should learn from them. They're passing legislation that's bad for the rest of us, but the model is good.<br /><br />Turboblocke from way back - yes, the post title is a BSG reference.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-62985049436255815502014-08-27T19:32:16.099-04:002014-08-27T19:32:16.099-04:00@ Anon.
The anthropogenic global warming rate: Is...@ Anon.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1955" rel="nofollow">The anthropogenic global warming rate: Is it steady for the last 100 years?</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/11/22545/2011/acpd-11-22545-2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">Anthropogenic radiative forcing time series from pre-industrial times until 2010. Skeie (2011).</a>J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-539360476849561022014-08-27T19:08:41.571-04:002014-08-27T19:08:41.571-04:00Dear Anon.
Worth noting, but for the thread, here...Dear Anon.<br /><br />Worth noting, but for the thread, here's <a href="http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130329_FaustianBargain.pdf" rel="nofollow">the context.</a>BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-4090327487318157972014-08-27T19:05:14.673-04:002014-08-27T19:05:14.673-04:00> original admiration for ALEC
We need that Sa...> original admiration for ALEC<br /><br />We need that Sarcasm tag here.<br /><br />In re other heard-it-befores, this is good:<br /><br />http://downwithtime.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/were-reading-the-same-paper-but-were-getting-different-messages/<br /><br />hat tip to reddit.com/r/climate<br /> <br />---- excerpt follows ----<br /> She is not arguing that skeptics pose acceptable alternative models to anthropogenic climate change. Take this sentence for “Anatomy of dissent” (the same paper cited by Jankó and colleagues):<br /><br /> <i>To promote their agenda, powerful backlash actors have frequently adopted deceptive strategies to create the fictitious appearance of broad grassroots and scientific support.</i><br /><br />Does this in any way suggest that we ought to be taking contrarian arguments seriously because they are valid? No, we are being asked to take them seriously because by understanding their backgrounds and motivations we can begin to address the causes of backlash against climate science, and move forward toward solutions.<br />---- end excerpt ---<br />italics supplied in lieu of indented block quoteHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-22694536137316925662014-08-27T18:46:48.765-04:002014-08-27T18:46:48.765-04:00No it hasn't, it's been accelerating.
Tha...<i>No it hasn't, it's been accelerating.</i><br /><br />That is incorrect.<br /><br />http://ej.iop.org/images/1748-9326/8/1/011006/erl459410f5_online.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-40221194497158997502014-08-27T18:13:31.779-04:002014-08-27T18:13:31.779-04:00All this has happened before..
...including the d...All this has happened before..<br /><br />...including the discussion in the comments.<br /><br />Like a washing machine, it goes round and round never actually getting anywhere.<br /><br />Carry on.<br /><br />or should I say carry round?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-80656643780188572012014-08-27T18:06:34.325-04:002014-08-27T18:06:34.325-04:00"BBD, if you mix what could be a rather objec...<i>"BBD, if you mix what could be a rather objective analysis and position with insulting language then you do hurt your cause. "</i><br /><br />Nando, persistent concern trolling and Dunning-Krugerism in the face of compelling evidence consistently handed to you on a platter is ten times more insulting than any f-bomb, if only because it appears your intent is to waste these peoples' time.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-16883241111271873012014-08-27T18:01:22.103-04:002014-08-27T18:01:22.103-04:00"The rate of forcing increase has been nearly...<i>"The rate of forcing increase has been nearly constant for the last twenty years"</i><br /><br />No it hasn't, it's been accelerating. I believe Eunice was educated on this matter with peer reviewed evidence not so long ago in an earlier thread.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-67662953352509083742014-08-27T17:54:56.353-04:002014-08-27T17:54:56.353-04:00The industrialisation of China has been ongoing fo...The industrialisation of China has been ongoing for a lot longer than anonymous thinks; heck, in 1997 the village called Sanyuan was making forgings and castings for Boeing aircraft. (Source - page 143 of "One world ready or not" by William Greider)guthrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-47047508935558124682014-08-27T17:32:54.633-04:002014-08-27T17:32:54.633-04:00Are you talking about the GHG forcing? It's an...Are you talking about the GHG forcing? It's an error to ignore the feedbacks.turboblockenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-13281335601929365762014-08-27T17:32:41.163-04:002014-08-27T17:32:41.163-04:00Dear Anon.
The rate of forcing increase has been ...Dear Anon.<br /><br /><i>The rate of forcing increase has been nearly constant for the last twenty years, a period which coincides with the industrialization of China.<br /><br />There aren't a lot of China's left in the world.</i><br /><br />There's a lot of India, Indonesia, Brasil and Africa. There's a lot of new people in the pipeline (~2bn more by 2050). Plant built today keeps on emitting. <br /><br />Consider <a href="http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/58334" rel="nofollow">the bigger picture</a> more carefully. It's a long game. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-74672127536537972552014-08-27T17:13:53.367-04:002014-08-27T17:13:53.367-04:00GHG forcing seems likely to increase substantially...<i>GHG forcing seems likely to increase substantially over the next 100y</i><br /><br />The rate of forcing increase has been nearly constant for the last twenty years, a period which coincides with the industrialization of China.<br /><br />There aren't a lot of China's left in the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-19940991865097233602014-08-27T17:08:03.842-04:002014-08-27T17:08:03.842-04:00I said it because your views are consistent with t...I said it because your views are consistent with the milieu, FL. Yes, it's a stereotype, and of courser there are exceptions, but you're not one of them.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-68952873611346458162014-08-27T15:59:24.760-04:002014-08-27T15:59:24.760-04:00Dear Anon.
So we'd all agree that the three d...Dear Anon.<br /><br /><i>So we'd all agree that the three decade temperature trends are around 1.5K per century, right? So there's something objective. </i><br /><br />You can't use a trend derived from a short time period to estimate the centennial trend. GHG forcing seems likely to increase substantially over the next 100y which will affect the evolution of the warming trend. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16612221.post-66338628860495734182014-08-27T15:53:59.330-04:002014-08-27T15:53:59.330-04:00So we'd all agree that the three decade temper...So we'd all agree that the three decade temperature trends are around 1.5K per century, right? So there's something objective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com